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I Know You’re Mad at United but… (Thoughts from a Pilot Wife About Flight 3411)
The Pilot's Wife ^ | 4/11/17 | AngeliaJGriffin

Posted on 04/13/2017 9:36:43 AM PDT by Impala64ssa

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To: Impala64ssa
If a federal law enforcement officer asks me to exit a plane, no matter how royally pissed off I am, I’m going to do it and then seek other means of legal reimbursement.

This woman is the 'type of sheep' that allows thugs and totalitarians of the world to grind their boots into humanities collective faces.

She's the reason South America is a hellhole. Her type props up every hellhole culture in the world. If she was in change at the founding of our country we'd be a British colony.

NO BIMBO - sometimes 'to stand up to thugs and let the chips fall where they may' IS the right answer... It's why there's no slavery in our country, why women (like this bimbo) have rights, why blacks can vote, and why police can't abuse citizens.

61 posted on 04/13/2017 10:26:46 AM PDT by GOPJ (Unmasked reports transferred face-to-face at obscure airport: Obama to Lynch to Bill Clinton?)
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To: Impala64ssa

United did not break the law. The guy from Kentucky did. He chose to disobey a lawful order from a cop.

Sick of all this media drama.


62 posted on 04/13/2017 10:27:56 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: JayGalt
"Ordinary people are likely to follow orders given by an authority figure, even to the extent of killing an innocent human being."

Then add in the reality that people choose to become cops instead of accountants because being an accountant never offers the opportunity to physically impose your will on others. People who want to avoid confrontational situations don't become cops. Cops are more inclined toward welcoming opportunities to physically dominate anyone who questions their authority.

63 posted on 04/13/2017 10:29:11 AM PDT by Wissa (I took a little stroll to the Red Dog Saloon.)
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To: Impala64ssa

They could have offered a free round trip flight total voucher value maximum $1000.


64 posted on 04/13/2017 10:30:25 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny (agent Able Deplor))
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To: Impala64ssa

While reading this article, I suddenly remembered an incident of an airliner (which?) damaging a guitar and a song which was the result of indifferent customer service.

Sure enough it was United. One of the comments in the link:

“2009: throw guitar
2017: throw human
2025: ? “

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo


65 posted on 04/13/2017 10:32:08 AM PDT by texteacher
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To: JayGalt
Interesting points, and they open up an even more interesting can of worms.

FR is all over the place on this one, from "Idiot got what he was asking for", to "United's HQ should be burned flat and its management should be drawn and quartered as a warning to other airline execs". I'm in the middle, maybe more on the side of the latter, given the facts that there was no need to escalate the situation like it was, the ease of avoiding the entire incident to begin with, and the general arrogance of United's management in their initial response. All the apologies afterwards were just spin control; the initial response is what they were *really* thinking.

All that being said, your point is an interesting one. "Insisting politely on your rights", certainly, is important. But everywhere? And every time? That's where it gets more sticky. At 2am on the side of the road when a cop pulls you over for a broken taillight? Maybe. Depends. How about the latest racial outrage from (fill-in-the-blank) urban area? "HE was a good boy! He wasn't doing nothing!" is insisting on his rights, even if it's 100% BS.

Regardless of the situation and who was right and wrong, there will be people lining up on both sides. Sad, but there it is.

Personally, I'd like to see the gov't get out of things entirely, and let the market settle the issue. Issues like the one being debated would drive companies out of business overnight, forcing them to put customer service as the top priority, always.

66 posted on 04/13/2017 10:33:14 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Impala64ssa

I think the author is missing the point. Yes, the airline had the right to do what they did. When given a choice between being right and avoiding a chaotic situation... they chose poorly. There were other options than having the man forcibly arrested.

It’s the Law of Greater Tonnage. The UA CEO might want to look into it.


67 posted on 04/13/2017 10:36:37 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Rap music: Soundtrack of the retarded.)
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To: Impala64ssa

What you can do is not what you should do.

If you have a mortgage you signed a document at closing that says the mortgage company may advance your note at anytime with 30-45 days notice. When have you ever heard of that happening?

United was in violation of the aviation laws by using the Chicago PD for a non security issue and likely went outside the boundaries of the FAA regs for overbooking.

United Airlines has lost $1 billion in stock value for acting in an unethical, insensitive and possibly illegal manner by assaulting a paying passenger and traumatizing the rest of the passengers. Now the market place and the courts will decide their fate. Oh and a Senate investigation. So my question to United is was it worth it?


68 posted on 04/13/2017 10:40:17 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Impala64ssa

Call a charter service or send the crew to car rental.


69 posted on 04/13/2017 10:40:25 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Daveinyork
I agree with your assessment. I do not fly either and haven't since before 9/11.

But I'll drive now because I'm retired. A friend and I drove across country 2,200 miles one-way in three days to attend our high school reunion. We shared the driving duties and split the gas and motel costs. And then we repeated it all over again to get back home. Old guys road trip, six days on the road.

We didn't have to go through security or check our bags. We didn't have to take our shoes off. No one rummaged through the contents of our suitcases. And I didn't get groped once, which may not have been the case if I'd have flown.

We had a blast because......we didn't have to fly.

70 posted on 04/13/2017 10:42:16 AM PDT by HotHunt
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To: Impala64ssa

She’s just wife-splainin’ what most of us already know and posted and discussed yesterday.

The bottom line here has nothing to do with airline rules. There are always rules and situations that come up when they are applied. This is about how the company responded and the choices they made.

And in such situations we each must live with the consequences of our actions. In UA’s case, it’s going to be a very expensive lesson. Maybe they change to avoid a “next time”, but if as she wants us to understand, their actions were legal, justified, and within the rules, why change them?


71 posted on 04/13/2017 10:45:22 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Impala64ssa
Because if you choose to take advantage of the services the airport provides, you play by their rules.

Ah, that's where I went wrong. I thought they had to play by our rules - the Constitution and the law. Silly me.

72 posted on 04/13/2017 10:48:50 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: All

I miss the good old days when extra stews just sat on somebody’s lap.

And yes that was politically incorrect.


73 posted on 04/13/2017 10:51:13 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (Mossad thanks you for voting, we'll take it from here)
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To: BlissinNC

As I said on another thread, most of these are probably paid trolls. UAL is trying like hell for damage control in the manner of most leftists, and that is to send out trolls who sneer at anybody who complains. Snarky, sneering replies typical of trolls’ language. ‘What are you whining about you big baby’ type of replies. They do it on articles about TSA abuses as well, they are all over these threads like white on rice. Part of the damage control is having the above article posted here. She may or may not be a pilot’s wife. She may or may not be a she.


74 posted on 04/13/2017 10:52:43 AM PDT by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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To: colorado tanker
Ah, that's where I went wrong. I thought they had to play by our rules - the Constitution and the law. Silly me

Hey, you need to check your #flightprivelage, peon. /s

75 posted on 04/13/2017 10:52:58 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

“The thing they could have done is kept upping the price until someone took the deal.”

Methinks they don’t want to set the precedent of people stalling for more money. A LOT of people get bumped daily, and there are established caps on how much they’ll be offered. Yeah, $50,000 would have been a whole lot cheaper in this instance, but word gets around and lots of people start holding out for more; that turns in to million$ really fast.


76 posted on 04/13/2017 10:58:22 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Understand the Left: "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.")
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To: Impala64ssa
each airline does have the leniency to determine how they choose the bumped passengers

Do tell, little darlin' - say that again - leniency to determine. Thank you. Jury, was that loud enough for you? Thank you. Dismissed.

77 posted on 04/13/2017 11:00:05 AM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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The fact that some government officials are holding press conferences over this is just insane.

If the government realized how THEY treat customers, there would be endless press conferences.

This whole thing is BS. If you do not like how it went, don’t fly. And if I was on that flight and was the reason 230 other people did not get home, I would expect some ridicule.

I work with medical doctors every day. Every, single, day.
I interact with about 200+ of them every month. Trust me, very few of them need to RUSH home to patients.

Unless this guy is a world renowned specialist who jets from city to city curing Elephant Man disease or something as equally horrible...he has time. An extra few hours on the trip home is not going to ruin him or his patients.

When will people learn that being an a-hole is not civil disobedience. If the cops tell you to do something, do it. Then complain. Then suit. Explain to the people at the gate that you are a world renown surgeon saving babies. They will get you where you need to go.

Take the $800 and a hotel. For goodness sake, act like a grownup. Not an a-hole.


78 posted on 04/13/2017 11:04:09 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Red Badger

Yeah...I caught that too. The thing is, they were not. But she is right. If a federal law enforcement officer asks me to exit a plane...I’ll do it. Until then, I sit. Unless the Rent-a-Cops lay hands on me. Then it is gonna be a different type of encounter.


79 posted on 04/13/2017 11:04:40 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Good judgement comes from experience. And experience? Well, that comes from poor judgement.)
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To: Mr. K

The broken nose, shattered sinuses, knocked out teeth bleeding Dr with a concussion and neck injury? yes. The clowns that beat him left him unattended. (first clue they weren’t leos). In shock, he ran back on the plane.


80 posted on 04/13/2017 11:08:16 AM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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