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I Know You’re Mad at United but… (Thoughts from a Pilot Wife About Flight 3411)
The Pilot's Wife ^ | 4/11/17 | AngeliaJGriffin

Posted on 04/13/2017 9:36:43 AM PDT by Impala64ssa

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To: Impala64ssa
if you choose to take advantage of the services the airport provides, you play by their rules.

Excuse me ma'am, but those services are provided by the taxpayers and paying customers, customers who paid for tickets to fly on your husband's airplane, paying for his salary that bought the socks you had to remove from your child.

The customers pay for a service and are entitled to their benefit of the bargain.

41 posted on 04/13/2017 10:05:27 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: wbill

“These guys mean business”.

So did Luca Brasi.

Doesn’t make him a good guy.


42 posted on 04/13/2017 10:06:24 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Impala64ssa

I agree with your position. I am surprised at some of the snarky responses...they seen better suited to Twitter or Reddit or Facebook. I expected a more professional conversation on this site. These days, I don’t envy anyone, in any profession, who has to deal with the public.


43 posted on 04/13/2017 10:06:48 AM PDT by BlissinNC
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To: scripter

Since Chicago is only 4 1/2 hours to Lexington. Ky., the employees could have driven there. It would have saved United a lot of money in the longrun.


44 posted on 04/13/2017 10:07:20 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Impala64ssa
I still would like to hear what United would have done if it was too late to get their people on the plane (i.e. it had already started for the runway). Would they cancel the flight they were supposed to work?

Another solution would have been to try to book them a flight on a rival airline.

45 posted on 04/13/2017 10:09:20 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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To: DuncanWaring

Yeah, and you remember how Luca turned out. :-) So, there’s that, I suppose.


46 posted on 04/13/2017 10:10:34 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Impala64ssa

Naw, appealing to the fine print in “the contract” is just stupid. I’ve never heard of anyone getting involuntarily bumped from an airline flight even at the gate or the ticket counter, much less once they’ve already boarded. Everyone understands that sometimes they need to bump people and so they offer incentives in order to get volunteers. You don’t just start randomly forcing people off the flight because nobody was buying the weak incentives that you were offering. You offer better incentives until you get volunteers.

Now, that’s not to say that this guy’s behavior was warranted. He certainly could’ve ended the situation with considerably less physical harm to himself by willingly complying with the request, but given how unjust the request was, he’s going to get a lot of sympathy.


47 posted on 04/13/2017 10:11:36 AM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Impala64ssa

I like that United has officially adopted “F You” as their corporate slogan.


48 posted on 04/13/2017 10:14:36 AM PDT by Newtoidaho (Proud member of Trump's army of online trolls.)
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To: Impala64ssa

“Pilot’s Wife” is off the rails.

She goes on and on about security, 9-11...blah blah blah.

This event had absolutely nothing to do with security.

The airline itself has said what it was all about....some crew members who needed to deadhead to operate another flight.

As a private pilot who flew for many many years, I fail to understand how people put up with the crap they have to go through today to fly commercial. The drive to Louisville is said to be four hours. I would bet money that from the point they visited in Chicago to the airport to the airplane to Louisville and to the parking lot where they parked their car, it was four hours or more.

This event had


49 posted on 04/13/2017 10:15:00 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Sans-Culotte
Another solution would have been to try to book them a flight on a rival airline.

According to a guy on Fox Business, the airline employees getting the seats were Republic Airline crew.

50 posted on 04/13/2017 10:15:39 AM PDT by Wissa (I took a little stroll to the Red Dog Saloon.)
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To: RedStateRocker
“They’re just people doing a job”

I think that is part of the appalling nature of this incident. As in the Milgrim experiments which demonstrated "Ordinary people are likely to follow orders given by an authority figure, even to the extent of killing an innocent human being.", the airport security cops assaulted this man because they were told that was their job by the airline staff.

The CEO rightly assumed blame for unleashing that level of force, saying they will never call airport security to remove a seated passenger for overboarding again, but it is very sobering that no one was in control of this runaway situation.

Once the wheels were set in motion by blind adherence to what someone thought was protocol, a beat down was administered to a man who was in the right, according to the United Airlines conditions of carriage which comply with Federal Aviation Regulations.

Human nature truly contains the ridiculous, the sublime and the appalling. They beat this man because he wouldn't obey them when the rules were in his favor.

We have grown callous to TSA assaulting grandmothers, young children, mentally handicapped, medically fragile people. We turn our heads from seeing suburban house wives strip searched by the side of the road by cops who don't change gloves between searches, pregnant women slammed to the pavement during traffic stops for not knowing exactly how to do what the officer wanted quickly enough. We blame people for insisting politely on their rights and say they deserved a beat down.

A bridge too far for me. I don't have to like this guy to stand up for his right to be treated lawfully. It could be any of us one day standing up for something someone else would just move on from but which matters to us. We have lost so much of what America means, I will not lose the right for people to stand up for what they believe in or what they think is their right.

This was a blue moon for this passenger but its an everyday for the airline. Why weren't the staff educated as to the differences between pre-boarding and seated on the plane? Why weren't they provided with contingency plans in case of issues like this and offers to make to seek a volunteer? Why are they not the ones people are blaming? Why is a "pilots wife" telling us things just have to be that way for the good of us all? Not my America.

51 posted on 04/13/2017 10:15:40 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: Ken H

They left him lying on the walkway that they dragged him to and went to get a stretcher. He came to and staggered back on the plane.


52 posted on 04/13/2017 10:17:54 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: wbill

Wonder if “she “ exists or is an airline publicity construct.


53 posted on 04/13/2017 10:18:41 AM PDT by JayGalt
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To: Impala64ssa

I picture this lady wearing her husband’s leather jacket and prescription aviator glasses as she typed out this pile of excrement.

She’s wrong on so many levels.

My wife is an RN, and I don’t use her position to justify my opinions on medicine.


54 posted on 04/13/2017 10:18:48 AM PDT by TankerKC (If Mitt Romney is elected, everyone in the US will die!)
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To: txrefugee

If it took driving 3 days, I’d prefer driving than flying. East coast to west coast, I’d rather drive myself. If I can’t get there by car, I don’t need to go.

Last time we flew, it was a chartered flight but the flight attendants demanded we sit in assigned seating. Wouldn’t let us sit with our kids. It was chartered for gosh sakes. It was our @%*&^# plane. In the middle of the night, they woke everyone up to play pass the toilet roll and other silly games no one wanted to play. Both landings were horrid. Never again.


55 posted on 04/13/2017 10:19:07 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: Impala64ssa

Very well written, sounds like Airlines in damage control, not a wife concerned about her Husband.


56 posted on 04/13/2017 10:19:36 AM PDT by easternsky
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To: Impala64ssa

The takeaway for me........

“if you choose to take advantage of the services the airport provides, you play by their rules.”

I have chosen not to fly period under these conditions.


57 posted on 04/13/2017 10:20:43 AM PDT by KEVLAR (Liberty or Death)
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To: Impala64ssa
I once actually had to remove my infant son’s socks because they mimicked little baby sneakers. These guys mean business.

They sure do! That is probably why the TSA has arrested more pilots than terrorists. Not to mention the over 500 TSA agents that have been arrested for theft and assault.

Serious business indeed.
58 posted on 04/13/2017 10:22:00 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Those are my principles, and if you do not like them...well I have others. - Groucho Marx)
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To: Newtoidaho
I like that United has officially adopted “F You” as their corporate slogan.

Yep, that and "tough sh*t".

59 posted on 04/13/2017 10:23:40 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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To: scripter

If United wanted to send 4 employees to another city for another flight, they should have handled the situation before allowing passengers to board.
The passenger that was pulled off the plane suffered a concussion, broken nose and he lost two teeth according to a FOX news report.
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You hit the nail on the head, that was a huge mistake and lapse in judgment.


60 posted on 04/13/2017 10:26:12 AM PDT by TiGuy22
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