Posted on 03/13/2017 10:49:38 AM PDT by Sean_Anthony
The rats did not need 60 votes to pass Obamacare. You wouldn’t need 60 to do this either if McConnell had any stones.
No, punish Medicaid fraud with a bullet.
It has also been discussed that with Pence as President of the Senate, he can rule that the bill does not need 60 votes, even if the parliamentarian disagrees.
Who said I want the government to fund anything? But your comment, "Reduction in taxes is mathematically no different than government spending." is the expression of the Democrat state. It means, in essence, that government owns all revenue, and you can only keep what they allow you to, like serfs. A tax cut is not government spending, especially when government revenues will increase sharply due to economic theory.
I am guessing your economic education was obtained from a high school intro class. Read up, son, there is much to learn.
As for the need for 60 votes for some add-on items, like tort reform and interstate insurance, that might be accomplished AFTER repeal, in an election year. I remember a left wing democrat President who signed welfare reform because he had to to get reelected. Look it up in the history books. And if you can't get 8 Dems to go along with it, well, use it in the campaign in 2016 to get to 60. It should be a slam dunk to get to 60 IF the Republicans don't piss us off first. And if they do what you claim should be done, they will piss us off. To the point that Republicans may lose the majority, instead of gaining a supermajority.
Finally, I would add that I have never been a fan of the filibuster and I would advise Republicans to push strenuously to eliminate it entirely. Let a blowhard delay the majority for a week or so if they must, but in the end the vote must happen. Did you know there was a filibuster in the House at one point? Oh yes, it was a "sacred" rule, too. I wasn't around when they got rid of it in the 1800s, but the Republic survived.
Have a great day, Owen!
You trying to get me kicked off for being liberal??? :)
You need to go back and read how it was done in 2009/2010. They HAD 60 votes temporarily. Then Kennedy died and they did not. That forced them into Reconciliation, after some bills had passed with 60 and needed only modification.
We have 52. There is nothing McConnell can do about the numbers. You can certainly do things with just 50 if you eliminate the Filibuster rule. Conservative Senators will reject that.
When Obamacare passed with 50 votes why does an across the board repeal require 60 votes?
Kill the damned beast!
Deal with the rest afterwards. But slay the beast NOW!
BTW, how does that “ALL” thingy work?
Is that every member of FR? Can’t be right? :)
I agree with your assessment.
Howdy. Ya it did get to Obama’s desk and was vetoed. It got there because Reid chose not to waste time with filibuster since he knew it would be vetoed. He let it go.
Of course, Schumer would not make the same choice now. So 60 votes reqd for cloture and we don’t have them.
As for ignoring the Parliamentarian, that’s already been shot down. It’s a backdoor gutting of the filibuster, and conservative Senators will not vote for that.
As for inability to do math and see that tax reduction has the same impact on deficits as spending increase. As for economic theory, I know what was taught me and the rest of my classmates in the masters program at the business school at the Univ. of Pennsylvania.
As for predicting political inclination of the future . . . the Dems will primary anyone who dares cooperate in any way with anything whatsoever that Trump wants. There are 8 Dems up for relection from Red States in 2018. We can call them vulnerable, but the Rust Belt Reds are just barely, squeakily pink. There is a presumption those Senators will be scared. Probably not. Those populist type voters may not show up for mid terms.
Now if I spend some of that money on maintenance, on food, clothing, shelter and health care, that is nothing more than incurring a business expense necessary to allow me to perform a service or create an object that makes me profit. To tax all income, but only allow deductions for entertainment of customers or a leased vehicle used only for business is ludicrous. At the end of the year our profit isn't the total we earned, it is the total we earned minus necessary expenses.
Health care is only one small part of that. But it would be at least a start, to treat it as an expense that is not subject to tax, and to take away the deduction from businesses, which creates perverse incentives towards overspending and rising health care costs. Look it up.
When factory jobs are eliminated and workers are replaced by robots, the people who maintain the robots will damn sure be deductible as an expense, as will the fuel that runs the robots and the transport costs to move them from place to place, etc. Humans should be entitled to the same freedom of taxation as those robots, to the same extent.
Anyone who allows Obamacare to continue over a filibuster rule is not a conservative. The Senators who claim to care about the rule (McConnell, McCain, et al.) are not conservative and I suspect their concern is that they don't want to get rid of Obamacare in the first place. They like big government programs because they are part of big government, and their donors love it too. The fact is that McConnell doesn't get to Preside over the Senate when Pence is there, and there is no vote for or against a filibuster rule when the repeal comes up for a vote. Pence just says that the debate ceases because the bill is subject to reconciliation, and then there is a vote. If McCain doesn't like that, he can vote against the bill or vote to change Senate rules to allow filibusters on everything.
Quick look ahead to 2018.
I see a GOP seat loss in Nevada. Pretty solid blue state now. Maybe Flake in Arizona loses. He won with only 49% 6 yrs ago.
I see GOP pickup in Wisconsin, NoDak, Ohio, Montana, Indiana.
Net 3. Not 8.
A couple more Dems are up, but they won with 55%+ last election. Stabenow in MI and Nelson in FL.
Flake should get primaried.
Net should be positive, true, and too many factors unknown to say exact results. However, if Republicans screw this up, the backlash will be terrible for them and the whole thing could go down the tubes, making Trump a one term president and ending the US as we know it. So they better get it right, and the RYNOcare you are pushing is what will kill Trump's movement.
Smartest move of Pence’s political life was not walking away from Trump when the Access Hollywood tapes hit the media. It was actually hard to believe — but in retrospect Gore didn’t walk away from Clinton. If he had, he would have become president because Clinton probably would have been forced out. Gore circled the wagons and was annointed the next nominee. Won more votes than Bush.
Pence followed suit. He remained loyal. No way in hell now he now backstabs Trump by departing from Trump’s position on Ryan’s bill.
Here is the current structure under ObamaCARE
Here is the new defined structure under RinoCARE
Actually, he always said repeal and replace.
Cruz: Obamacare Passed With Reconciliation, ‘Can Be Repealed With Reconciliation’
1. It doesn’t matter it it is CALLED a “repeal” if people perceive it repeals the onerous stuff.
2. You can search American history, but I have only found three repeals of passed legislation: Jefferson’s embargo (replaced by embargo lite, Macon’s Bill); the Sherman Silver Purchase Act (after it started a financial panic); and Prohibition (which required an Amendment). The point is, it’s extremely rare.
3. If Trump keeps these jobs #s it won’t matter what else he does—he’d win reelection easily.
What you will likely see is this House bill so massaged and reworked it doesn’t look much like this version.
I don't know. He hasn't disappointed me yet, but if he is serious about wanting RynoCare, then I will be.
More on that from Today. Ted Cruz says the whole thing can be killed using reconciliation.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/3534467/posts
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