The Law is Dying because Morality is Dying

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[DWW1990]

I don't think Comey's presser heralds the end of law in the U.S., but he surely did put another nail in the coffin. Like the Supreme Court rulings on abortion and marriage, few should be surprised at this outcome. America has been on a long ugly road when it comes to law and justice, reason and logic, morality and truth.

[txrefugee]

The law can only exist if 1) people are moral with a sense of responsibility to God and to their fellow man. or 2) if people live in fear of government punishment for breaking the law. The first, is much superior to the second, because the second is subjective and invites injustices to occur.

[immadashell]

Society seems to want to find external reasons for personality disorders. Everything bad is explained away and nothing is ever “your fault.” Everyone is a victim. This downward spiral of society will continue unabated until we start to take responsibility, personal responsibility, for our own actions.

[PGalt]

Law?

You would use the law to oppose socialism? But it is upon the law that socialism itself relies. Socialists desire to practice legal plunder, not illegal plunder. Socialists, like all other monopolists, desire to make the law their own weapon. And when once the law is on the side of socialism, how can it be used against socialism? For when plunder is abetted by the law, it does not fear your courts, your gendarmes, and your prisons. Rather, it may call upon them for help.

What Is Law?

What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual right to lawful defense.

Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two. For what are our faculties but the extension of our individuality? And what is property but an extension of our faculties? If every person has the right to defend even by force — his person, his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights constantly. Thus the principle of collective right — its reason for existing, its lawfulness — is based on individual right. And the common force that protects this collective right cannot logically have any other purpose or any other mission than that for which it acts as a substitute. Thus, since an individual cannot lawfully use force against the person, liberty, or property of another individual, then the common force — for the same reason — cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, liberty, or property of individuals or groups.

Such a perversion of force would be, in both cases, contrary to our premise. Force has been given to us to defend our own individual rights. Who will dare to say that force has been given to us to destroy the equal rights of our brothers? Since no individual acting separately can lawfully use force to destroy the rights of others, does it not logically follow that the same principle also applies to the common force that is nothing more than the organized combination of the individual forces?

If this is true, then nothing can be more evident than this: The law is the organization of the natural right of lawful defense. It is the substitution of a common force for individual forces. And this common force is to do only what the individual forces have a natural and lawful right to do: to protect persons, liberties, and properties; to maintain the right of each, and to cause justice to reign over us all.

/Bastiat

DEPOPULATE liars/criminals/crooks/conmen/socialists/scumbags/totalitarians from the body politic. DEFUND/DISMANTLE/DESTROY (as necessary) their collectives, foreign and domestic.

http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html#SECTION_G021

[PGalt]

James Commie is another unaccountable Federal Bureaucrat Insider in a gang of criminals/socialists/totalitarians.

The most evil government in the history of the republic.

Land of the thieves…

http://www.usdebtclock.org

…home of the slaves.

The most important question that was ever proposed to your decision, or to the decision of any people under heaven, is before you, and you are to decide upon it by men of your own election, chosen specially for this purpose. If the constitution, offered to your acceptance, be a wise one, calculated to preserve the invaluable blessings of liberty, to secure the inestimable rights of mankind, and promote human happiness, then, if you accept it, you will lay a lasting foundation of happiness for millions yet unborn; generations to come will rise up and call you blessed. You may rejoice in the prospects of this vast extended continent becoming filled with freemen, who will assert the dignity of human nature. You may solace yourselves with the idea, that society, in this favoured land, will fast advance to the highest point of perfection; the human mind will expand in knowledge and virtue, and the golden age be, in some measure, realised. But if, on the other hand, this form of government contains principles that will lead to the subversion of liberty — if it tends to establish a despotism, or, what is worse, a tyrannic aristocracy; then, if you adopt it, this only remaining assylum for liberty will be shut up, and posterity will execrate your memory.

Momentous then is the question you have to determine, and you are called upon by every motive which should influence a noble and virtuous mind, to examine it well, and to make up a wise judgment. It is insisted, indeed, that this constitution must be received, be it ever so imperfect. If it has its defects, it is said, they can be best amended when they are experienced. But remember, when the people once part with power, they can seldom or never resume it again but by force. Many instances can be produced in which the people have voluntarily increased the powers of their rulers; but few, if any, in which rulers have willingly abridged their authority. This is a sufficient reason to induce you to be careful, in the first instance, how you deposit the powers of government.

So far therefore as its powers reach, all ideas of confederation are given up and lost. It is true this government is limited to certain objects, or to speak more properly, some small degree of power is still left to the states, but a little attention to the powers vested in the general government, will convince every candid man, that if it is capable of being executed, all that is reserved for the individual states must very soon be annihilated, except so far as they are barely necessary to the organization of the general government. The powers of the general legislature extend to every case that is of the least importance — there is nothing valuable to human nature, nothing dear to freemen, but what is within its power. It has authority to make laws which will affect the lives, the liberty, and property of every man in the United States; nor can the constitution or laws of any state, in any way prevent or impede the full and complete execution of every power given. The legislative power is competent to lay taxes, duties, imposts, and excises; — there is no limitation to this power…

And are by this clause invested with the power of making all laws, proper and necessary, for carrying all these into execution; and they may so exercise this power as entirely to annihilate all the state governments, and reduce this country to one single government. And if they may do it, it is pretty certain they will; for it will be found that the power retained by individual states, small as it is, will be a clog upon the wheels of the government of the United States; the latter therefore will be naturally inclined to remove it out of the way. Besides, it is a truth confirmed by the unerring experience of ages, that every man, and every body of men, invested with power, are ever disposed to increase it, and to acquire a superiority over every thing that stands in their way. This disposition, which is implanted in human nature, will operate in the federal legislature to lessen and ultimately to subvert the state authority, and having such advantages, will most certainly succeed, if the federal government succeeds at all.

In a free republic…

Brutus #1 - Anti-federalist

[P.O.E.]

“Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason. “

[Texas Fossil]

Adversity employs great talents; prosperity renders them useless and carries the inept, the corrupted wealthy and the wicked to the top

May they bear in mind that virtue often contains the seeds of tyranny

May they bear in mind that it is neither gold nor even a multitude of arms that sustains a state but its morals

May each of them keep in his house, in a corner of this field, next to his workbench, next to his plow, his gun, his sword, and his bayonet

May they all be soldiers

May they bear in mind that in circumstances where deliberation is possible, the advice of old men is good but that in moments of crisis youth is generally better informed that its elders

Denis Diderot

Apostrophe to the Insurgents, 1782

Adversity employs great talents; prosperity renders them useless and carries the inept, the corrupted wealthy and the wicked to the top

May they bear in mind that virtue often contains the seeds of tyranny

May they bear in mind that it is neither gold nor even a multitude of arms that sustains a state but its morals

May each of them keep in his house, in a corner of this field, next to his workbench, next to his plow, his gun, his sword, and his bayonet

May they all be soldiers

May they bear in mind that in circumstances where deliberation is possible, the advice of old men is good but that in moments of crisis youth is generally better informed that its elders

Denis Diderot

Apostrophe to the Insurgents, 1782

[Scrambler Bob]

There will never be enough cops to make everyone behave correctly.

(And even if you go down this path, then ‘Who’ determines what is correct behavior?)

[Texas Fossil]

Bastiat BUMP!

[PGalt]

TREASON - continuous, in-your-face, agenda-driven, AGENCY-ABETTED, representative-enabled, media-complicit, court-sanctioned, ongoing...

[cloudmountain]

Ravi Zacharias (born 26 March 1946) is an Indian-born Canadian-American Christian apologist. A defender of traditional evangelicalism.

Imagine, an INDIAN becoming a Christian apologist.

There is a large conclave of Catholic Indians in the far south of Indian. It's where, traditionally, St. Thomas, the doubter, went to convert.

You will still find Catholic Indians with the name of THOMAS. I worked with several while my husband and I worked and lived in the KSA for ARAMCO.

Bravo for Ravi. GIMME AN "R"!!....:o)

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From Google: The Catholic Church in India is part of the worldwide Catholic Church under the leadership of the Pope and the curia in Rome.
There are over 19.9 million Catholics in India, which represents around 1.55% of the total population and the Catholic church is the largest Christian church within India.
There are 168 dioceses in India organised into 30 provinces. Of these, 131 are Latin Catholic Church, 29 Syro-Malabar Catholic Church and 8 Syro-Malankara Catholic Church dioceses.
Despite the small percentage, India has the second largest Catholic population in Asia after the Philippines, due to India's huge population.

[knarf]

Bump for after church

[Cboldt]

-- The law can only exist if 1) people are moral with a sense of responsibility to God and to their fellow man. or 2) if people live in fear of government punishment for breaking the law. --

What you say is true, but there is a small component of society that holds itself out as the "law givers." This is primarily the lawyers, working through judges and to a large extent legislation and regulations - although breakdown there is, IMO, a smaller issue.

The law givers have the responsibility to maintain the moral legitimacy of the institution they occupy. If the institution fails, it is their fault, not the fault of society at large.

The law givers are an arrogant lot, and have decided that law alone is sufficient to maintain good order. That is a power the law givers do not have, in fact. But as long as they think they do, you can rest assured their actions will go down path #2, use of force to compel obedience to their nonsense.

The law givers are setting a very bad example, and human nature will take its course.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

Exactly right.

[PGalt]

Innocent individuals are dying because criminals, socialists, totalitarians are killing them.

NO LIVES MATTER to criminals, socialists, totalitarians.

[Enlightened1]

Too big to jail appears to be the excuse.

The Law is NOT dying.

There is now validation that we are run by Criminals that think they are above the law.

We the people have to step up and arrest these Criminal Thugs. If not, then people like Hillary will now be thinking what other crimes can I get away with?

[zzwhale]

no the LAW isnt dying....

JUSTICE IS DEAD

USSA = BANANNA REPUBLIC

the constitution has been shredded
rino repubs have no intestinal fortitutde to fight back

selecitons are rigged and election laws are flaunted with libtard pride
Trump ahs lit the flame that can change THIS SORRY SITUATION

[SkyDancer]

The Law only works when people obey it. To others it’s just words on a printed page.

[TexasFreeper2009]

Title says it all.

We conservatives want the Supreme Court to impose our values on a society that has long lost it’s moral foundation.

It doesn’t matter what the constitution says, you can’t impose laws on the vast majority that they refuse to obey.

[PGalt]

“Nothing really matters, to me”

Some music to lighten up this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ