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Why Gun Control Can’t Be Solved in the USA
Dilbert Blog ^ | 2016-06-22 | Scott Adams

Posted on 06/27/2016 8:32:30 AM PDT by justlurking

On average, Democrats (that’s my team (*) see footnote below) use guns for shooting the innocent. We call that crime.

On average, Republicans use guns for sporting purposes and self-defense.

If you don’t believe me, you can check the statistics on the Internet that don’t exist. At least I couldn’t find any that looked credible.

But we do know that race and poverty are correlated. And we know that poverty and crime are correlated. And we know that race and political affiliation are correlated. Therefore, my team (Clinton) is more likely to use guns to shoot innocent people, whereas the other team (Trump) is more likely to use guns for sporting and defense.

That’s a gross generalization. Obviously. Your town might be totally different.

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OK, now that I have your attention, I'll include a bit more of the posting for people that don't bother to read the entire article:

So it seems to me that gun control can’t be solved because Democrats are using guns to kill each other – and want it to stop – whereas Republicans are using guns to defend against Democrats. Psychologically, those are different risk profiles. And you can’t reconcile those interests, except on the margins. For example, both sides might agree that rocket launchers are a step too far. But Democrats are unlikely to talk Republicans out of gun ownership because it comes off as “Put down your gun so I can shoot you.”

Let’s all take a deep breath and shake off the mental discomfort I just induced in half of my readers. You can quibble with my unsupported assumptions about gun use, but keep in mind that my point is about psychology and about big group averages. If Republicans think they need guns to protect against Democrats, that’s their reality. And if Democrats believe guns make the world more dangerous for themselves, that is their reality. And they can both be right. Your risk profile is different from mine.

So let’s stop acting as if there is something like “common sense” gun control to be had if we all act reasonably. That’s not an option in this case because we all have different risk profiles when it comes to guns. My gun probably makes me safer, but perhaps yours makes you less safe. You can’t reconcile those interests.

Our situation in the United States is that people with different risk profiles are voting for their self-interests as they see it. There is no compromise to be had in this situation unless you brainwash one side or the other to see their self-interest differently. And I don’t see anyone with persuasion skills trying to do that on either side.

Fear always beats reason. So as long as Democrats are mostly using guns to shoot innocent people (intentionally or accidentally) and Republicans are mostly using guns for sport or self-defense, no compromise can be had.

If we had a real government – the kind that works – we would acknowledge that gun violence is not one big problem with one big solution. It is millions of people with different risk profiles voting their self-interest as they see it.

So stop acting like one side is stupid. Both sides of the gun issue are scared, and both have legitimate reasons to be that way. Neither side is “right.”

Footnote (*): I endorsed Clinton for president for my personal safety. I write about Trump’s powers of persuasion and it is not safe to live in California if people think you support Trump in any way. Also, I’m rich, so I don’t want anything to change in this country. The rest of you might have a different risk profile.

1 posted on 06/27/2016 8:32:30 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: justlurking

“I write about Trump’s powers of persuasion and it is not safe to live in California if people think you support Trump in any way.”

Wow. That’s the most powerful and damning comment in the whole post!


2 posted on 06/27/2016 8:36:38 AM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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To: MeganC

Actually, I find the most damning thing to be, that despite every thing the author states, he STILL identifies as a democrat.


3 posted on 06/27/2016 8:40:41 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: MeganC
Wow. That’s the most powerful and damning comment in the whole post!

Yes, you might want to read this first post that Adams wrote on this topic:

So I’ve decided to endorse Hillary Clinton for President, for my personal safety. Trump supporters don’t have any bad feelings about patriotic Americans such as myself, so I’ll be safe from that crowd. But Clinton supporters have convinced me – and here I am being 100% serious – that my safety is at risk if I am seen as supportive of Trump. So I’m taking the safe way out and endorsing Hillary Clinton for president.

He has been repeating some variation of this statement on almost every blog post since then. It's what I'll call a "back-handed" endorsement, and I'll bet that most Clinton supporters don't even realize what he is doing.

4 posted on 06/27/2016 8:40:49 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: mountn man
Actually, I find the most damning thing to be, that despite every thing the author states, he STILL identifies as a democrat.

If you still believe that after reading the footnote, you missed his point.

5 posted on 06/27/2016 8:41:51 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: justlurking
Part of the confusion created by politicians and the media can be dispelled by this: (facts about guns)

another reason is Obama and his administration threatening our rights and our Constitution....

(Obama the gun salesman in chief)...fear of tyranny.

6 posted on 06/27/2016 8:42:17 AM PDT by yoe (Be very careful whom you vote for....you can't "love" away the enemy...they want to kill you.)
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To: MeganC

” Also, I’m rich, so I don’t want anything to change in this country. The rest of you might have a different risk profile. “ Thanks for telling it like it is Scott. LOL! One persons facts or reality is NOT somebody else’s facts or reality. One persons truth may not be your truth. I think we’ve just been Dilbertized.


7 posted on 06/27/2016 8:43:21 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: justlurking

All the BS about guns on both sides is nothing more than a red herring. It’s all to curry political favor. No one is serious about anything. As long as the 2nd Amendment exists, the gun issue will never be solved in this country. Ever. So until some politician tries to repeal the 2nd Amendment, I’ll continue believing that most of this is all bluster.

To wit: If I could snap my fingers and “ban guns” beginning tomorrow - forgetting the 2nd Amendment for a moment, it would likely do no good.

1) There are 300M guns in the US. And that’s likely just the legal ones.

2) There are likely millions more (like my 3 shotguns) that were passed down from generation to generation that are presumably unregistered etc...

3) How would we “get” the guns in circulation? A) Buy back program? who’d pay for that? And millions wouldn’t turn them in. And if they didn’t, then what happens? B) do we grandfather clause all legal guns in circulation? Ok, fine. But if so, what’s the point?

This is all political grandstanding.


8 posted on 06/27/2016 8:43:38 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
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To: mountn man
he STILL identifies as a democrat.

You have to read with intent to not believe deep down this is said facetiously. In California, being a self proclaimed Republican makes you a target as he implies.

9 posted on 06/27/2016 8:44:33 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I'm so open minded that you should only think like me.)
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To: justlurking
But Democrats are unlikely to talk Republicans out of gun ownership because it comes off as “Put down your gun so I can shoot you.”

Yep!

10 posted on 06/27/2016 8:45:25 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: justlurking

The author’s risk profile should have schizophrenia
at the top of the list.


11 posted on 06/27/2016 8:47:13 AM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

America does not have a problem with gun crime.

America has a problem with black crime.

Another way of saying it:

“The best way to prevent black criminals from shooting one another during drug deals is to take away the guns of law abiding white people”.


12 posted on 06/27/2016 8:48:25 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: rktman

He makes perfect sense to me. What is the difference between perception and reality when both can affect, hurt or help you in life? One example is positive thinking definitely motivates and increases a persons mental and physical being to the extent that they may succeed where otherwise they would not. On the other hand stress and/or psychosomatic induced symptoms affect patients detrimentally sometimes to the point of death. Perception is indistinguishable from reality in these cases.


13 posted on 06/27/2016 8:52:02 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I'm so open minded that you should only think like me.)
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To: mountn man
But we do know that race and poverty are correlated. And we know that poverty and crime are correlated.

Interesting point that I will make. In 1950 the poverty rate in the U.S. was roughly 50%.

By 1965 the poverty rate in the U.S. had fallen to under 15%.

That is when Johnson decided to start his "war on poverty" in order to break up the black family and have the 'blacks' voting Democrat for the next 200 years.

After 60 years and trillions of welfare dollars spent the poverty rate in the U.S. is still at 15%.

Go figure.

14 posted on 06/27/2016 8:54:16 AM PDT by Parmy (II don't know how to past the images.)
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To: mountn man

At least as a matter of self defense.


15 posted on 06/27/2016 8:55:18 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Parmy

Yep. Of course poverty and crime are not really correlated or else we shoul expect the crime rate in the 50s to have been much hight per.

We have a “fatherhood” problem, not a poverty problem.


16 posted on 06/27/2016 8:59:21 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: justlurking

Sarcasm and irony. Some people just don’t get it.

Thanks for helping even though making the “gist” of his writings explicit dims the brilliance of it.


17 posted on 06/27/2016 9:01:12 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Parmy

Look up the definition of poverty. At least the one the government defines and uses for policy making. It is not an objective standard but a floating one that will never allow the stated rate to go much below 15% let alone 0.

By this definition the war on poverty can never be won.


18 posted on 06/27/2016 9:04:02 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: TigersEye

I stopped reading his cartoons and paying any attention to him a few years back when I read something that was clearly written by him, and I thought he was having a nervous breakdown.

And I am not kidding, it was alarming. I honestly can’t remember what it was about, but I didn’t just disagree with it, I was highly repulsed by both the content and delivery.

I agree with much of what I have seen him saying lately (and he has been saying a lot) but back then (2006-2012) he sounded unhinged.

I really have a hard time being able to reconcile what I am seeing now with what I saw then.

It is true that people can change their mind, but this seemed like he literally WAS changing his mind, swapping it out.

This puzzles me. I used to love his cartoons and sayings, had the books, etc. and I just stopped cold.


19 posted on 06/27/2016 9:06:41 AM PDT by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: justlurking
Why Gun Control Can’t Be Solved in the USA

Nonsense, all problems have solutions.

The first step to solving a problem is to define the problem.

Create legislation that stops citizens who would harm others without infringing on the rights of citizens who would not harm others.

20 posted on 06/27/2016 9:07:25 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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