Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Air Force blames crash that killed 14 on goggles case
cnn.com ^ | April 19, 2016 | Thom Patterson

Posted on 04/19/2016 2:02:33 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

The crash of a huge C-130J cargo plane that killed 14 people in Afghanistan in October is being blamed on the misuse of a night-vision goggles case, according to a U.S. Air Force investigation report.

The flight crashed 28 seconds after takeoff from Jalalabad Airport near the Afghan-Pakistani border on October 2 as it was heading to Bagram Airfield.

Initially, the Taliban said Islamist fighters had downed the four-engine plane, but U.S. military officials immediately shed doubt on those claims.

The dead included the pilot, co-pilot, two loadmasters, two security team members and five contractors as passengers. Three Afghan guards on the ground were also killed when the plane hit a guard tower, said the report, which was released Friday.

The report revealed details of the unusual circumstances behind the crash, which it said was caused by a seemingly harmless item: a small, hard-shell, night-vision goggles case.

(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-35 next last

1 posted on 04/19/2016 2:02:33 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Berlin_Freeper

this is like your hound dog getting under your gas pedal


2 posted on 04/19/2016 2:04:30 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Berlin_Freeper

“What happened heah?”
“Well, Colonel, I forgot to put batteries in my night vision goggles.”
“And?”
“Well, sir, I put on the goggles and everything was black, so I just figured there was nothin’ out there, and the mountain proved otherwise.”


3 posted on 04/19/2016 2:07:56 PM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Berlin_Freeper

Sounds like it should be blamed on pilot error, not the goggles case.


4 posted on 04/19/2016 2:08:28 PM PDT by PAR35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Berlin_Freeper

Preflight check of flight control would have prevented this. Back to basics and fundamentals and the simple things that kill people and destroy aircraft. Kneeboard charts and preflight-postflight checklists are there for a reason.


5 posted on 04/19/2016 2:14:05 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PAR35
Sounds like it should be blamed on pilot error, not the goggles case.

The video report says exactly that: Pilot error preventing the movement of the control yoke. He purposely positioned the night vision goggle case to block that movement.

6 posted on 04/19/2016 2:18:19 PM PDT by centurion316
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Berlin_Freeper

Does anyone remember the airman who called Rush years ago to complain about the problems resulting from women in fighter cockpits?

He talked about how parts of the cockpit controls had to be disassembled in order to locate retrieve a “broken fingernail” in an F-16 that had been flown by a female.

He kept mentioning the “throttle quadrant” over and over.

I wasn’t completely sure about the guy. He might have been putting Rush on.


7 posted on 04/19/2016 2:18:22 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mat_Helm

Did you read the story? The placement of the goggle case behind the yoke is “non-standard procedure” and there is nothing on the checklist to remind the pilots to remove it. It was just an oversight and what HAL would call “human error”.


8 posted on 04/19/2016 2:24:23 PM PDT by mc5cents (Pray for America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Berlin_Freeper

The waste of lives, equipment, and treasure this “war” is inflicting on America. It’s astonishing that Americans still put up with the aimless floundering effort there.


9 posted on 04/19/2016 2:25:44 PM PDT by StormEye
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: centurion316

I usually don’t watch CNN videos. Letting the scripts run on CNN risks opening a whole can of worms.


10 posted on 04/19/2016 2:30:47 PM PDT by PAR35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Mat_Helm

I’m a former C-130 crew member (back end, not front end), but there is a requirement on the pre-flight checklist for flight controls/freedom of movement. But, it was nighttime; they were doing an engine running off-load/on-load, and they had other stops ahead of them. Plus, they were using NVGs and cockpit illumination was low.

My guess is the pilot or co-pilot didn’t push the yoke through the full range of motion on the flight control check and didn’t feel the case behind the yoke. It happens; you’re trying to get off the ground and stay on schedule, so you go a little fast through the checklist and miss an indication of a potential problem.

That set the stage for disaster. When they became airborne and the aircraft pitched up, the flight deck crew misdiagnosed the problem and applied the wrong corrective action. The Herk stalled and crashed, killing 14 people, on the aircraft and on the ground.

A lesson learned tragically, but the mishap in Afghanistan will save other lives in the C-130 community.


11 posted on 04/19/2016 2:36:25 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Berlin_Freeper

There was another model of aircraft (I don’t recall which) that crashed several a few decades ago because a pilot would drop a microphone (inadvertently, of course) into a well between the control-yoke-column and the floor, preventing pulling the yoke back to stop a dive.


12 posted on 04/19/2016 2:38:22 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mc5cents
Did you read the story? The placement of the goggle case behind the yoke is “non-standard procedure” and there is nothing on the checklist to remind the pilots to remove it. It was just an oversight and what HAL would call “human error”.

Yes, I read the post. The preflight check calls for a yoke check and free movement of all flight controls and setting the trim for takeoff. During the flight control check the pilot and or copilot would have encountered the yoke obstruction.

FUBAR

13 posted on 04/19/2016 2:39:48 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: DuncanWaring

Ouch.
Not good “failure mode effects and analysis” on that platform.


14 posted on 04/19/2016 2:40:40 PM PDT by nascarnation
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: PAR35

I don’t blame you, but sometimes, it bites you right in the a$$


15 posted on 04/19/2016 2:49:19 PM PDT by centurion316
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: nascarnation

The surviving aircraft were ultimately modified to remove the ‘well’.


16 posted on 04/19/2016 2:52:40 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Berlin_Freeper

What really sucks is that in the few seconds before the plane hit the ground, the pilot probably saw the case stuck in the way of the yoke...


17 posted on 04/19/2016 2:56:10 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ExNewsExSpook
I know several C-130 pilots. The fact that the pilot in command during takeoff had a pitch up at takeoff suggests an improperly set trim for the aircraft weight, CG, or other factors. Because they mention a rapid pitch up truly suggest improper trim. Even under a normal takeoff the amount of forward yoke control required to level the aircraft would have been caught under a normal yoke cycle weight on wheels during preflight check. This suggest a lack of proper trim setting as well as the case contributed to the accident. Did the pilot takeoff with full flap instead of half flap? Did the load master have the wrong CG? Did any cargo come loose during rotation after V2? Still likely that the case would have been caught with a yoke check and I severely doughty that one was performed.

Preflight checks and double checks by the pilot and copilot prevent crashes that can occur from a single switch in the wrong position or setting. I worked with pilots in the simulator that religiously and routinely went through those checks even for veteran pilots as a regular practice to maintain proficiency.

Pilot error indeed.

18 posted on 04/19/2016 3:00:14 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Berlin_Freeper

FOD kills 14 more. (Foreign Object Debris/Damage)
But I thought they usually move the flight controls through their motions and make sure the control surfaces respond.


19 posted on 04/19/2016 3:11:45 PM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Steely Tom
He talked about how parts of the cockpit controls had to be disassembled

I don't remember the caller, but when I was in the Air Force (long time ago) the front cockpit of an F-4 had to be disassembled to a great extent looking for a lost screw or a nut.

Also, the base test pilot put an aircraft into negative g's and then grounded it until "Foreign Objects (food stuff)" were removed.

20 posted on 04/19/2016 3:17:30 PM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-35 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson