Posted on 03/18/2016 4:45:38 PM PDT by TMSuchman
For me Theft/Looting is you are taking things from some one who is still alive and able to claim it.
Salvaging/Scavenging is abandon property.
Now if some one has evacuated and you are in dire need then the line is what a reasonable person would assume were the necessities of life.
Bottled water if you need it is ok if you leave notice of what you took and promise to pay for it. Their big screen TV is not.
But what about the rest of it? Please answer those questions
That includes the taking of vital supplies.
Will you feel bad after? Yes. You will relive it and second guess yourself.
Just keep telling yourself that you had no choice. After you clean up after someone who did not shoot fast enough it will ease a bit.
As for religion that is one thing that will not change. I will share with anyone who is willing to listen and learn.
After Katrina, certain “entrepreneurs” (chop shop operators) were towing off abandoned flooded cars, cleaning them up and selling them in other cities. My neighborhood didn’t flood, just had wind damage, collapsed buildings, etc. We’d had a chop shop on my block for years, and the local cops kept insisting they didn’t see nuffin.
I walked out my house one morning a few weeks after Katrina to discover six mud-encrusted cars parked at the curb. The thieves had towed them off so fast, they’d failed to notice the mud-encrusted corpse inside one of them.
Gasoline was a precious commodity and couldn’t be found below the I-10 for weeks. So, um, yes, siphoning of not-flooded cars that had been left behind did happen. Nice little notes with cellphone numbers were left on windshields. We—er—I mean the people who took gas—never got any calls, probably because so many people stayed gone so long, the note would have disintegrated.
The idea was to get enough gas to get to Baton Rouge, to fill up a bunch of gas cans, and return to N.O. Then you had to guard your purchased gas stocks with your life. There was no point in returning the borrowed gas immediately upon return, as other siphoners would have gotten it instead of the original owners. So, that was a moral conundrum to be worked out.
Subsequently I moved to a very small, semi rural area. Already the problem I am having here is people stealing from my garden.
The deer and coons nibble, but the humans will come in and strip all the produce in one night.
Security lights, cameras, trenches, traps, razor wire and high hedges are going in as I can afford them.
My mistake—that others can learn from—is this: my already-built house was set back from the road, with acreage in front. So I put garden and fruit orchards in front. Bad idea. The food is visible from the road.
Would be better to have house far back from the road, and garden and orchards hidden even further back, behind the house.
In any event, it’s best to have thickly wooded frontage, a not-obvious driveway, and no mailbox by the road. (PO Box in town.) Be completely invisible, so the ferals will pass you by.
I ‘m putting more orchards behind the house, and moving the garden, too.
In a SHTF situation, might have no choice but to protect what’s in back and forfeit what’s by the road. If the ferals only take what’s up there and move on, we won’t have to choot ‘em.
Sorry to ramble. Hope it helps some.
If the grid is down and not likely to come back anytime soon, certain tv screens would come in handy to solar cook. You bet, I’m taking it if my family it hungry.
Be sure to take their fur coats too. Your family might get cold.
You said the property had been abandoned.
Generally means that people intend to come back.
That would be looting.
Thanks for those links. I’ll definitely check out those systems.
Many of your posts have been keepers and I always learn from your expertise.
I’ve currently got electric motion detector lights; need wireless ones as backup. I just bought some cheap wireless alarms, gotta install them. Have also considered planting paintball mines. Boom-splat! Thieves are marked.
Bird netting on fruit trees discourages deer somewhat. Fasten it high in the limbs with clothes pins and hang it all the way to the ground. Put more clothes pins on the bottom as weights. The deer might still try to munch thru the netting but it frustrates them.
For the garden, Mother Earth News suggests t-posts strung tightly with 2 or 3 strands of fishing line will keep out the deer.They can’t walk through it, and they don’t jump over it because they can’t see it. I haven’t tried this yet, so I can’t guarantee it.
I think your term for scavenger works well for me. If people are alive we trade, not take.
I struggle with the idea of having to take someone’s life also. But, am confident if need be in defense that I can. I will feel bad afterwards as well, but comforted by knowing I defended family and myself.
Spreading the Word of God and bringing people to His grace is probably the most important thing we can do. This storm which we have entered and which will get much worse is about evil (satan) and good (God). It is important to stand with God, defend the faith, defend the faithful, and help those whom cannot help themselves. I intend to feed and shelter people. Each of us, will have a calling...we just need to keep our heart open to hear God.
Ahh, Fingerblight! That curious disease that causes tasty fruits and vegetables to throw themselves into the hands of unwitting passers-by.
Some plants are more resistant to this disease than others. Plants that are not easily recognized as food seem to be resistant. Sharp thorns also help.
I wish you the best of luck in eliminating this disease from your garden!
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I think that I mostly agree with this.
Would you mind adding me to your list?
Wow! Very cool. That guy is an excellent shot.
Agreed. Also, don’t damage anything if you can help it and close the door/windows when you leave so that animals and weather don’t destroy everything.
...”Plants that are not easily recognized as food...”
Jerusalem artichokes are in the ground! Also looking to get some camas lilies. :-) The camas lily has an interesting history with the Lewis and Clark expedition.
Also dispensing with some of the trellises, and instead allowing the cukes (of which I use few) to just climb the hedges and blend in.
BTTT
Your statement - “Salvaging/Scavenging is abandon property.”
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