Posted on 02/15/2016 6:46:49 AM PST by marktwain
I have no idea how well they work. This is similar to how a Browning belt fed works.
http://www.bobergarms.com/
If it was ‘86, then it’s been 30 years. Hopefully the increased awareness about womens’ security will raise the pressure on the government to reconsider that ban. It obviously hasn’t stopped the “bad guys” from getting weapons when they wish to (as is par for the course with every gun ban ever).
Bottom line, the average mugger is not a member of Spetsnaz, able to take multiple body hits and spit them back at the attacker. The sudden appearance of a gun in the hands of a good guy will usually cause him to drop his can of purple drank and skittles and skedaddle.
Of course "stopping power" is another issue. This always begs the question, how good of a shot you are?
A .22 LR will do the job if shot that penetrates the brain stem, and it will drop him just as quickly as a larger caliber. Most people aren't good enough shooters to do that to a moving target intent on attacking you.
The .380 out of a short barrel is quite a bit more powerful than a .22 out of a short barrel.
I would expect the .380 to have about 162 foot pounds, and the .22 to have (out of that short barrel), about 50 foot pounds.
So it is not quite “infinitely” more powerful.
That is not to say the Indians cannot built good equipment. I have a Rifle Factory Ishapore-built No. 2A1 rifle (7.62 NATO version of the No. 1 Mk III SMLE) and it is a very solid, accurate rifle. (The 2A1 is NOT a converted war production .303 SMLE; it is a new rifle built of mondern materials.) However, without the pressure of a vital customer base to influence quality control, this attention can often not get the attention that it should.
As you say, revolvers are pretty simple creatures and there's no reason why India can't build one better than the cheap German RG-14. (Cheap it may have been, but the RG-14 did hold together and shoot.) I'd hope that an Indian customer, after jumping through all sorts of bureaucratic hoops, finally plunks down his 5,000 rupees ($72.41 USD) and gets a quality pistol. If I didn't, I'd be p.o.’ed. [Here's a thought: maybe the Germans could sell RG-14's to India. Nah.]
“That is not to say the Indians cannot built good equipment. I have a Rifle Factory Ishapore-built No. 2A1 rifle (7.62 NATO version of the No. 1 Mk III SMLE) and it is a very solid, accurate rifle. (The 2A1 is NOT a converted war production .”
I have two of those. Real gems they are. Super quick bolt actions and are shockingly accurate. At 400 yards I have no trouble ringing an old ten inch cast iron skillet every time.
I paid $110 a piece for them and wish I’d bought half a dozen when they were available.
I sporterized one and kept the other one pretty much stock. Although a friend did send me a set of drill stocks which I cleaned up. It’s pretty much mint now.
I was stunned to see the Indian authorities using them during the Mumbai attacks.
Nice to run into someone else who owns one of those. I think they’re superb all things considered.
L
The revolver is priced (wholesale) at 35,000 rupees, or about $514. I understand that there is about another $200 tax when it is purchased.
You are exactly correct about the lack of competition.
As for “gun culture” there appears to be something out there. It is not anywhere as widespread or as deep rooted as American gun culture, but there is, at mimimum, a group of enthusiasts in the middle and upper classes, who believe the excessive controls are stupid; that people have a right to defend themselves, and that much of the bureaucracy is counterproductive.
“That is not to say the Indians cannot built good equipment. I have a Rifle Factory Ishapore-built No. 2A1 rifle (7.62 NATO version of the No. 1 Mk III SMLE) and it is a very solid, accurate rifle. (The 2A1 is NOT a converted war production .â€
I had a few of them. They seemed serviceable, but I experienced feed problems with the last couple of rounds out of the magazine in more than one example.
That’s too bad. The ones I got didn’t appear to have ever even been fired. I’ve had no issues at all with them. I do believe I paid the extra $10 for “hand select” ones, which probably has nothing whatsoever to so with it.
IIRC magazine capacity is 12 but I’ve never put more than 10 in at a time.
Best,
L
Ok, it’s 3 times more powerful.
Thanks for the correction.
Umm, India does have a “thriving” gun culture. Only problem is its mostly of the illegal variety, revolving around country-made use-and-throw pistols. They get used a lot in petty gang/caste/political disputes in North Indian states.
Do a search for country-made guns in India.
Yes, the “country-made” guns are available for about $10-$15.
For more money, you can get a revolver, a bit more, a semi-auto.
It isn’t just India. Where the restrictions are stiff, the small shop guns show up. Brazil seems to specialize in sub-machine guns.
During the 19th century, no Englishman ever questioned gun ownership. I doubt whether that unquestioned ‘right’ applied to native peoples in the British Empire. However, gun control in the UK seems to have gotten its start as a result of the Easter Rising revolt by the Irish in 1916 while the UK was embroiled in the First World War. Lots of bad laws resulted, including the first gun control acts.
The plight of shooters in the UK deteriorated until, but the start of World War 2, the British were very short of arms to fend of an anticipated German invasion after the evacuation of their Army from Dunkirk. The U.S. sent all sorts of war reserve arms and private arms to the British. At the end of the war, these guns were either destroyed or returned to the US.
The situation has deteriorated ever since to the point self-defense is not recognized as a legitimate defense in court. The bad guys have more rights than the victim. And now the British are looking to ‘knife control’ so solve their crime problems. This is insanity. It appears that the whole Commonwealth has caught the gun control disease.
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