Posted on 01/11/2016 5:31:53 AM PST by iontheball
Taking a closer look at your irrelevant quotes, they don't even claim what you say they claim. The nation was just being birthed. Even the founding fathers-- not all of whom were born in the US-- were grandfathered in as natural born citizens by special act. It does not follow that anyone could be declared a "natural born citizen" by an act of congress. It would destroy its meaning.
Wrong again.
It's correct, as you admit in the next sentence by implication:
As I have already pointed out, Parliament had the right to change the definition of NBS,
In other words, you admit that when the Constitution was written, the definition of natural born citizen would have eliminated Cruz from the Presidency, just as I stated it did. Your argument, however, is that Congress can change the definition of natural born citizen, even though the Constitution gives them no such power to begin with. IOW, your argument is vain from the get go.
Just like how women needed a Constitutional amendment in order to gain the right to vote, a constitutional amendment is needed to change the definition of Natural Born citizen.
Proof you are STUPID. Or a LIAR. Or both.
Pffft, please, you're position is weak so you lash out. You are an imbecile.
Here's a wild theory. Trump and Cruz are working together to bring up this issue. They are waiting for someone to sue Cruz over eligibility. But what IF...just IF....The Donald has absolute proof that Obama WAS born in Vancouver? And further this proof includes that the congress and highest government officials knew?
Think about the fallout. Obama is proved to be a liar. They can't stop Cruz because they let Obama be President. Democrats are forever tainted....oh man...
” Even the founding fathers— not all of whom were born in the US— were grandfathered in as natural born citizens by special act.”
Not true. The “grandfather clause” allowed naturalized citizens to become President since many of them had fought in the Revolution. You need to do some studying, preferably somewhere other than at Vattel worship sites.
“It does not follow that anyone could be declared a “natural born citizen” by an act of congress. It would destroy its meaning.”
Not true. The meaning of “natural born subject” was defined by Parliament, and changed by Parliament several times. Since it is the basis for the meaning of NBC - having been used interchangeably with it, and as long since ruled by the Supreme Court - the definition of NBC could be adjusted by the legislature, unless the Constitution forbade it. And it did not.
That WAS the original understanding by the people who drafted the Constitution and who approved it.
The right to bear “arms”, in 1787, meant muskets. It now means certain guns, but not bombs or missiles. It does not include ALL guns, which is why the assault weapon banned was ruled legal. The definition of “arms” is subject to Congress, and we are not limited to the arms used in 1787.
Unless the Constitution said otherwise, the accepted meaning of NBC included the right to define it by the legislature. And the Constitution did not say otherwise. So yeah, Congress has the right, which it has used very gently, only adding that citizenship can pass thru the mother’s side if the mother has spent enough time living in the USA.
I'm not sure why you insist on making all these inane comments. If the founding fathers wanted Congress to have the power to change the meaning of natural born citizen, then they would have given them that power in the Constitution. Saying that "parliament" could do it is stupid. FYI, "The common law of England is not the common law of these States." –George Mason
and as long since ruled by the Supreme Court
Oh, so you have a Supreme Court case that declares that a child born to a woman who is an American citizen is a natural born citizen, regardless of where he is born? I should like to see this.
What I wrote was entirely correct - the meaning of NBC is rooted in NBS, as ruled on by the US Supreme Court. If you do not know that, then you need to study something other than Vattel.
Congress has always had the right to determine meanings not defined in the US Constitution, as do the courts. On the whole, I prefer CONGRESS define words over the courts, but their right to do so is undoubted.
And since NBS was a legal phrase whose meaning could be adjusted by legislature, NBC is as well.
You don’t have to like it. You can worship Vattel if you wish. But the courts agree with me, and have for a long, long time.
The arms I bear did not exist when the Constitution was written, but CONGRESS can decide if they meet the intent of the 2nd Amendment. Congress does not always rule as I wish - see the Assault Weapons Ban - but they have the right.
Oh, is that all you're going on about? What a waste of time then.
Congress has always had the right to determine meanings not defined in the US Constitution
When you find where Congress has the right to redefine Natural Born Citizen, let me know!
You can worship Vattel if you wish
This is a pretty good example of how childish you are.
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