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To: Joachim
Any citizen whose citizenship is derived from an act of Congress is thus a naturalized citizen, constitutionally speaking, and thus not "natural born."

Wait a second here. Since the Constitution never actually defines the term "natural born citizen," and thus is falls to Congress to define that term, isn't its doing so by statute in effect (per the argument made in this post) making EVERYONE a "naturalized" citizen?

9 posted on 01/11/2016 5:01:18 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (What good is a constitution if you don't have a country to go with it?)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Wait a second here. Since the Constitution never actually defines the term "natural born citizen," and thus is falls to Congress to define that term

Natural Born citizen already has a definition, derived from Natural Law, well known to the founding fathers. That is why they provided no definition for it in the constitutional text itself. It's meaning was common knowledge.

16 posted on 01/11/2016 5:04:40 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
You can resolve that conundrum by figuring out who would be a citizen if Congress passed no statute on the subject.
25 posted on 01/11/2016 5:09:42 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Wait a second here. Since the Constitution never actually defines the term "natural born citizen," and thus is falls to Congress to define that term, isn't its doing so by statute in effect (per the argument made in this post) making EVERYONE a "naturalized" citizen?

Bingo! But this concept is way too difficult for the small minded among us to grasp.

43 posted on 01/11/2016 5:22:07 AM PST by randita
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Since the Constitution never actually defines the term "natural born citizen," and thus is falls to Congress to define that term

No, it doesn't. Congress has no such power.

75 posted on 01/11/2016 5:51:06 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

It’s no fair pointing out that Farmer John’s argument is circular and/or self-refuting.


176 posted on 01/11/2016 8:16:14 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization. A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized,

again...Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization...

Two Citizen parents are subject to the jurisduition of the USA, and no other Country. Thus, their baby born on US soil is a natural born citizen. No need to look at laws created by congress to referee whether a person can apply for naturalized citizenship


227 posted on 01/12/2016 5:43:40 AM PST by Steven Tyler
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