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To: Joachim

I’m a natural born citizen, having been born to US citizens in the state of MN. My daughter was born in Toronto Canada, and has a Canadian birth certificate, and is eligible for Canadian citizenship. My wife was not a US citizen at that time. When my wife became a naturalized US citizen in 1973, the INS issued her a Certificate of Naturalization, at the same time, my daughter was also given a Certificate of Naturalization (she was 4 at the time).

My bet is that when Cruz’ father became naturalized, they also issued Ted a Certificate of Naturalization.

So, I’m not quite sure whether Cruz is eligible to run for president. He definitely needs to get this cleared up in a court.


19 posted on 01/11/2016 5:06:07 AM PST by euram
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To: euram
Ted probably (almost certainly) has a Consular Record of Birth Abroad (also known as an FS-240), recognizing that his birth fit the circumstances laid out in 8 USC 1401(g). Citizen at birth to a child born abroad of one citizen parent, provided the citizen parent meets US residency conditions before the birth occurred.

As a matter of law, this is a recognition of naturalization, but it doesn't go by that label.

31 posted on 01/11/2016 5:15:35 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: euram
My bet is that when Cruz’ father became naturalized, they also issued Ted a Certificate of Naturalization.

Cruz's father became a U.S. citizen in 2005 when Ted Cruz was 35 so I highly doubt it.

48 posted on 01/11/2016 5:26:09 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: euram

I’m a natural born citizen, having been born to US citizens in the state of MN. My daughter was born in Toronto Canada, and has a Canadian birth certificate, and is eligible for Canadian citizenship. My wife was not a US citizen at that time. When my wife became a naturalized US citizen in 1973, the INS issued her a Certificate of Naturalization, at the same time, my daughter was also given a Certificate of Naturalization (she was 4 at the time).

My bet is that when Cruz’ father became naturalized, they also issued Ted a Certificate of Naturalization.

So, I’m not quite sure whether Cruz is eligible to run for president. He definitely needs to get this cleared up in a court.


Good Morning,

Your post is very revealing. May I ask if US citizenship was “instantly” bestowed upon your daughter at birth? In other words, was a US birth certificate issued through the Consulate at the time of her birth, or was it issued in conjunction with her Cert of Naturalization?

Thanks,


84 posted on 01/11/2016 5:58:35 AM PST by AFret.
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To: euram

Thanks for sharing.


108 posted on 01/11/2016 6:18:53 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: euram

Your situation illustrates a possible pattern on whether the child’s citizenship is determined by the mother, the father, or if there is a choice.

In your case it seems that the birth mother may be the determining factor. In Cruz’s case, it may also be his mother’s citizenship that granted him American citizenship. Perhaps both the US and Canada bias the decision on the birth mother, married or not.

The other variable at play is whether there was a possibility that you could have argued or applied for your daughter to also have American citizenship at the time of her birth? Whether through a normal application process or through appeal that perhaps Ted Cruz’s parents pursued where your choice may have been not to (or simply unaware was an option for you at the time)? My situation was slightly different in that I was born a Canadian to my birth mother, but adopted at birth by an American mother and a Canadian father and ultimately kept my Canadian citizenship. I was told by my adopting mother that my citizenship was a choice for them and is the reason I ask.

Clearly the variables are numerous and the accepted hearsay vetting by media personalities and not Canadian or American law doesn’t cut it for me. Would love to see this issue worked out and all doubt removed from Ted’s qualification.

His recent posting of his mother’s birth certificate answered a big question about her US birth and I think what remains is whether his mother retained her US citizenship while living in Canada and followed through with whatever steps are necessary for recording Ted’s birth with US authority that retain his natural born US citizenship (if US law even requires such steps to be taken)?


208 posted on 01/11/2016 10:24:35 AM PST by xander
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