Posted on 01/09/2016 7:58:16 PM PST by Joachim
That’s a really important point.
Did Cruz undergo a naturalization ceremony in order to become a citizen? No. Therefore he is a natural born citizen.
Your logic tree indicates that each and every anchor baby born in Laredo is qualified to assume the office of the President or Vice President. Correct?
(In reality, true, they are born “citizens,”( Do not require Naturalization) But not “Natural Born” because their parents are not US citizens).
What part of Naturalization do you not understand? The very fact that a person requires naturalization attest to the fact that that individual is not natural born. The two terms are not equal. In any case, a statute cannot change a constitutional requirement. Only the amendment process may perform such changes.
The natural born Citizen clause in Article II can not be changed by a Naturalization Act.
Yes. That’s my main point.
If his status was determined by statute, it wasn’t determined by nature.
Good point.
I finally found the retention requirements that governed Cruz’s situation because of the 1952 Immigration and Naturalization Act.
Basically, under the statute, someone like Cruz, having been born abroad to an alien parent and a citizen parent, would lose his citizenship unless he later, as a young adult, fulfilled certain U.S. residency requirements.
DITTO!
Yeah, I know - but for the life of me I am unable to understand why so many FReepers and others do not see the logic of that argument. It just baffles me.
The sad thing in all of this is that I like senator Cruz, even while he is not my candidate of first choice. BUT, I desire that we uphold our Constitution over all else, because, failing that duty, nothing else will matter.
Indeed.
You don’t even want to get me started on the other ways that the most important aspects of the oath to support and defend the Constitution are being completely ignored.
Actually, they are not legal citizens; because, in being the children of illegal aliens, the are not “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States” - which is what the 14th Amendment requires. Just as American Indians (non-taxpaying) living on Indian Reservations are considered sovereign citizens of THEIR tribe or “nation” ...
So too it cannot be legitimately stated that those children born on U.S. soil to illegal squatters / trespassers - who themselves are in fact neither citizens nor subject to the jurisdiction of the United States - are yet under the jurisdiction of the U.S.
Since Ted Cruz did not renounce his Canadian citizenship until 2014 - long after he assumed his position of an elected United States senator, is he in fact a Senator? If he was still a Canadian citizen at the time of his candidacy and election, was he not ineligible for the office?
Well, he sure would have been qualified to run for Prime Minister of Canada until 2014.
I finally found the retention requirements that governed Cruz’s situation because of the 1952 Immigration and Naturalization Act.
Very interesting, and thank you..
If Ted Cruz was a natural born citizen, he would have been a citizen regardless of what our immigration and naturalization statutes require.
He would have been a natural born citizen no matter when in American history he had been born.
Which quite obviously isn’t the case.
This really is a disaster if in fact he took office illegitimately. IIRC there is a requirement that you be a citizen of the United States to hold the Office of U.S. Senator. Is this correct? If so, then how is it that a man who claims himself a constitutional scholar could make such an error? Not trying to be a smart@$$ but I really do not fathom WTH is going on here!
From your lips to God’s ears. And let’s include Ms Nancy ‘Botox’ Pelosi who signed the paperwork that the creature was eligible.
Actually, they are not legal citizens; because, in being the children of illegal aliens, the are not “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States†- which is what the 14th Amendment requires
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