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Kansas Gun law Reform Pays off; Wichita Gun Auction 2015-2016
Gun Watch ^ | 26 December, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/28/2015 8:57:18 AM PST by marktwain



Reform of Kansas gun laws are paying off.  In 2014, Kansas passed a law requiring government entities to sell or use firearms that came into their possession rather than to destroy these valuable assets in a modern version of the Medieval Deodand law.

In Deodand law, items were tried and sentences passed.  They were destroyed or forfeited to the Church for Godly purposes.  The legal precedent is continued in modern forfeiture laws.

Kansas stopped that superstitious practice with the reform of the gun law.  From the dailycaller.com:
This bill will prohibit seized firearms not used in the commission of a felony from being destroyed by law enforcement agencies. These firearms, so long as they are in operable condition, would either be sold to a licensed gun dealer (FFL) or donated to hunter education programs. In addition, it would also mandate that if a firearm has been seized by law enforcement and the owner is acquitted of the charges or the charges are dropped, the firearm must be returned to the owner within thirty days.
 The Wichita Police Department was going to sell the accumulated firearms to Budsgunshop.com, one of the biggest gun retailers on the web.   From kansas.com  in February of 2015
More than 200 guns, of various makes and models, will be available on BudsGunShop.com for purchase by licensed firearm dealers, said Elizabeth Harlenske, assistant city attorney. 
But something must have happened to scuttle those plans, because the Wichita Police are now going to auction the guns to one or more dealers.   From kwch.com on December 22, 2015:
Licensed federal firearms dealers get them first and are free to sell the weapons just like any other.

Tuesday the Wichita city council took the first step toward organizing a dealer auction of almost 200 handguns and rifles for the Wichita Police Department. Among those guns are weapons used in crimes from 1997 to 2015.
There hasn't been a date set for the auction.  It will likely be in 2016.  As with many cities, the handguns collected outnumber long guns.   There are about 170 handguns, and 50 long guns to be auctioned .  Here is a sample of the handguns listed.


You can see there are many high quality, expensive pistols listed.   A quick look at the entire list reveals about 50% of them are high quality handguns.

Here are some of the long guns:


A much higher percentage of long guns are excellent, sought after, serviceable firearms.  But even inexpensive single shot shotguns tend to be of good quality, meant to last a few lifetimes if cared for properly.


It is likely that most of the guns are from old domestic protection order cases.  The law was reformed in 2014 to require police to return guns or other weapons to owners who were not convicted of any crime.  This stops the "legalized theft" of firearms, where departments required individuals to obtain a court order to have their firearms returned.  Often, the cost of the court order was more than the firearm was worth.  Now, as part of Kansas statute 22-2512(d) :

(d) If a weapon is seized from an individual and the individual is not convicted of or adjudicated as a juvenile offender for the violation for which the weapon was seized, then within 30 days after the declination or conclusion of prosecution of the case against the individual, including any period of appeal, the law enforcement agency that seized the weapon shall verify that the weapon is not stolen, and upon such verification shall notify the person from whom it was seized that the weapon may be retrieved. Such notification shall include the location where such weapon may be retrieved.
 This reform will reduce the number of firearms available for auction in the future.  Looking over the list of firearms to be auctioned, I saw a number that were listed as "returned to owner".


This  reform will help to restore respect for the law.  Having your property taken at gun point, then finding that you will be required to spend more than the property is worth to recover it, when you are found not guilty, does substantial harm to the idea of the rule of law.  Any belief that the criminal justice system can be relied on to use a little common sense is destroyed. 

Without belief in the rule of law, civilized society falls apart, exactly as we have seen in many urban centers.

©2015 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunauction; ks; wichita
The law requiring guns to be returned to the owners if no crime had been committed should become a trend.

I would like to see it for all property. It used to be common sense.

1 posted on 12/28/2015 8:57:18 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

It should be added to the law, that if the police department does not return the firearm, in the same condition as when it was seized, then the head of the department must be charged with theft.


2 posted on 12/28/2015 9:06:03 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: marktwain

They should sell them at PUBLIC AUCTION to the public, federal laws enforced.

They will get nearly new prices and sometimes more for them!

People lose all sense of value when guns are auctioned off,m bidding up even junk guns to more than new prices.


3 posted on 12/28/2015 9:07:28 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: marktwain

We want them all. Let’s put in 3 dollar bids, and maybe some get to us.


4 posted on 12/28/2015 9:08:50 AM PST by Lazamataz (It has gotten to the point where any report from standard news outlets must be fact-checked.)
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To: marktwain
...the law enforcement agency that seized the weapon shall verify that the weapon is not stolen, and upon such verification shall notify the person from whom it was seized that the weapon may be retrieved. Such notification shall include the location where such weapon may be retrieved.

Why does the owner of the gun have to travel to some inconvenient location, probably with long delays, in order to retrieve his firearm?

Seems to me that if the police came out to his house and took it away to start with, they can jolly well make an appointment and deliver it back to the rightful owner.

5 posted on 12/28/2015 9:24:14 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: marktwain

I’ll pay $50 for that USP Compact.


6 posted on 12/28/2015 9:34:39 AM PST by Vic S
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To: Lazamataz
We want them all. Let's put in 3 dollar bids, and maybe some get to us.

I'm making a $3.01 bid. So I'll get them all.

(Maybe I shouldn't have revealed my plans to you...)

7 posted on 12/28/2015 9:34:59 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Flycatcher

Could be some wheel guns worth bidding on:
S/W 44
Dan Wesson .357
S/A 1911A1 .45
Ruger Security-Six and Speed-Six
Colt 1903 .32 among others.

Lew


8 posted on 12/28/2015 11:44:22 AM PST by laterldf
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To: marktwain

Well, I had to look up deodand. If you are harmed by this news you cannot have my laptop.


9 posted on 12/28/2015 3:29:22 PM PST by School of Rational Thought
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