Posted on 08/05/2015 12:20:14 PM PDT by jfd1776
Why did you ever vote for Kirk? He was my congressman, and I’ve never voted for him. He was as liberal as all of the Democrats that he defeated.
I voted f him against Alexi.
I’m truly sorry. It won’t happen again.
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Don’t worry about it. The election was pre-fixed for him, anyhow, so your vote didn’t mean diddly squat - ditto your vote for the real victor of the 2010 Gubernatorial race, Bill Brady, pre-fixed for the Combiner choice, the “Mighty” Quinn.
I was thinking it’s too bad we can’t recruit Mike Ditka, but unfortunately, he’d turn 78(!) in his first year in the Senate (in 2017). We should’ve moved heaven and earth to get him to run in 2004. Of course, then, we’d have just been finishing up 2 terms of Hillary (and we’d be sitting in reeducation camps).
Interesting that the Heritage Foundation could cherry pick some votes that would have her come out a point ahead, but I have to throw cold water on this.
A fuller examination shows the WIDE gulf between even the worst of Republicans and the average rat.
The ACU has it lifetime Kirk 57.5, Suckworthless 10. For 2014 it was 64 to 4.
I’d wager he votes the right way at least half the time, her, almost never. I doubt she’s genuinely to his right on ANY issues, least of all abortion where her position is the SAME. We all knew Kirk was pro-abortion. I am surprised Susan Collins had the decency to vote against Planned Parenthood, not that Kirk didn’t. If you want to oppose him, period, I can respect that. But don’t pretend Suckworth isn’t JUST as liberal as he on abortion and guns and a GREAT deal more so on many other issues.
My position has not changed. I’ll not have that crippled bitch for a Senator, to compete with Turban and Luis for my enmity. Kirk is swine, I choose swine over plague-bearing rats 10 times out of 10. We will have to agree not to agree on that.
If Kirk was still in the House I might say “eh, ***k him” but the Senate is not to be trifled with. 54 seats, 4 or 5 votes removed from GD Chuck Schumer as Majority Leader. A man who would make most of us here (with sense) yearn to have “that RINO POS” Mitch McConnell back in the driver’s seat. I’ll cry tears of rage if that bitch is elected, even over Kirk. I’ll cheer every dollar the NRSC sends here in defense.
Kirk’s only primary challenger as of yet is Ron Wallace, an unknown with no money and no hope to raise it, I think he ran for something else before, I can’t recall what, perhaps he thought of running and quit, 9th district?. He’s on Facebook and Twitter, no website, that alone puts him among the dreggiest dregs of candidates. Make no mistake, Ron Wallace’s chances of beating Kirk are ZERO. Not 1%. Not 0.5% Zero. It isn’t gonna happen. Not for him. He’ll be lucky to make the ballot. If he’s it, I myself might vote for him, but he’ll not be within 40 points of Kirk, be under no illusions about that.
Suckworthless’ old foe Joe Walsh hasn’t ruled it out yet, I don’t think. I’d give him a solid 10% chance if he gets in, of course Wallace would stay in the race, robbing him of a few points. And he’d lose to any democrat because he’s a weak caliber of candidate who was lucky to squeak by Mellisa Bean in 2010, thanks only to the Green Party taking votes from her.
Might someone who could actually win emerge from the shadows and actually run? I don’t believe in miracles.
Our only real chance to get a better Senator is if Kirk’s health turns and forces him from the race (or from this mortal coil).
RINO hunters who mean to make a kill would best head to deserts of Arizona and the snowfields of Alaska, the weeds grow tall in Illinois.
A random millionaire would be welcome. No, not Oberduche, a fresh one. Money talks, facebook walks.
Both of those races were affected by third-party candidates. Mark beat Alexi by about 83,000 votes, and the Green Party candidate, LeAlan Jones, got about 113,000 votes. If Jones didn’t run, Alexi would have run. Quinn beat Brady by about 20,000 votes and the Libertarian Party candidate, Lex Green, got about 34,000 votes. If Green didn’t run, Brady would have won.
Accurate analysis and applicable to any race of a RINO v. a Dem. During the primaries it’s critical to find the most true conservative possible that can be elected. After that beating the Dems is the critical point. I’ll be supporting Kirk at this point. I don’t see anyone going up against him in the primary. We need to hold the Senate and House while we elect a GOP POTUS in 2016.
Even more important than the possibility that the RATs might take the Senate in 2016 is the fact that, if Duckworth gets elected, it will be for a 6-year term. This is not a mere House seat, where we get a do-over two years later and could kick out a RAT that defeated a RINO to one of 435 seats. A lot of damage can be done in 6 years, particularly since 6 could easily become 12 or 18.
Kirk is crap, no question, and I am perfectly comfortable viewing his glass a 50% empty or 60% empty. But Duckworth’s glass is 95% empty, so a race between the two is a no-brainer. And I would love for a viable, conservative Republican to run and defeat both Kirk and Duckworth, but that is a very rate creature in Illinois—Congressman Peter Roskam may be the only person to fit that description, but he won’t risk the wrath of the Combine by running against Kirk—but supporting a candidate that perhaps can defeat Kirk in the primary but would get slaughtered by Duckworth in the general would be cutting off our nose to spite our face.
1010RD, why will you support Kirk, in the primary? If you’re conservative, why won’t you support a conservative, in the primary?
You presume that the 3rd party voters would necessarily vote for the other candidates. They might’ve not voted for that office. It’s like if I were given a choice between Zero and Willard and nothing else, I wasn’t voting for Willard under any circumstances and no way for Zero.
As I also said, the votes were cooked in Cook for what was needed.
Yep, that strategy worked great when Arlen Specter and Linc Chafee were up for re-election, because we all know RINOs with an "R" next to their name would NEVER turn traitor AFTER being re-elected and go caucus with the Dems so THEY end up with a majority...
Oops! Nevermind.
I wouldn’t vote for RINOs Lamar! or Corker, so it’s a good thing I can’t vote in IL, because I would drop an anvil on my tallywhacker before I’d cast a vote for that evil Combiner scum Kirk.
Mark Kirk is the Lincoln Chaffee of Illinois.
That’s a risk with these kinds.
Jeffords and Specter did it. (L Chaffee did AFTER losing in 2006 as an R)
I don’t see it from Kirk. But couldn’t rule it out. Specter’s primary defeat as a D was a boon to discouraging that kind of thing (and he only did it because he was gonna lose to Toomey in the GOP primary, self-preservation was his only goal)
The central point though, Duckworth is a D so 100% chance the seat is D if she beats Kirk or if a Republican that can’t win is nominated, so even if you wanna exaggerate the risk of Kirk switching, I would say so what.
I’d be all in for someone better than Kirk that could actually beat both him and the democrats as I think we all would. Ron Wallace is not that guy as to either proposition. We’ll not capture Fort Knox armed with water guns.
I absolutely believe Kirk would switch parties in a heartbeat IF the Combine ordered him to or to serve their interests. He is their useful tool at present within the majority “R” caucus.
During the primaries it’s critical to find the most true conservative possible that can be elected. After that beating the Dems is the critical point. I’ll be supporting Kirk at this point. I don’t see anyone going up against him in the primary. We need to hold the Senate and House while we elect a GOP POTUS in 2016.
That’s the only way going forward. Good thinking and it’s applicable to every state in the union. The worst RINO is a ton better than the Democrat. I cannot think of a recent election in which the opposite was true.
Specter was a Democrat from 1951 to 1965, then a Republican from 1965 until 2009, when he switched back to the Democratic Party. First elected in 1980, he represented his state for 30 years in the Senate.
On April 28, 2009, Specter announced that, after 44 years as an elected Republican, he was switching membership to the Democratic Party.[7][8] On May 18, 2010, Specter was defeated in the Democratic primary by Joe Sestak, who then lost to Pat Toomey in the general election. Toomey succeeded Specter on January 3, 2011.
As of 2012 Specter will no longer caucus with anybody in the Senate. Chafee is a flake and that's that.
It takes two things to win any election: votes and money. You don't even need 50% plus one vote to win. Clinton won with less than half the votes thanks to Perot. Trump (D-NY) is only a viable candidate because of the media he can personally generate and his money.
In Illinois, Kirk has a massive war chest and broad support. The GOTV activity is critical and that's something the party bosses from the ground up can provide. Right now there is no viable conservative candidate because any thinking person can see that Kirk is in a very strong position. Nobody wants to tilt at windmills. The Illinois conservative bench is shallow.
That's the reality. We can imagine anything, but the reality is Kirk is best positioned to win against the Democrat. Letting the Democrat win is the worst case. That's politics. If you want your sandwich made to order that only happens in the free market.
1010RD, I read your post to which I replied. You said, “I’ll be supporting Kirk at this point.” He’s had a conservative primary opponent (Ron Wallace) since June 6. I hope that you’ll help him by volunteering and/or donating to his campaign. Mr. Wallace is pro-life, pro-gun rights, and anti-illegal alien. I agree that we need to hold the Senate and House in 2016.
That has never held true at any point. A RINO leftist accomplishes things a regular leftist Democrat cannot. #1, they enact the opposition leftist Democrat agenda, #2, they get the rest of the Republican party painted with the failure of their agenda, #3, the Democrats clean up at the next election. If the choice is a Democrat and a leftist RINO, let it go to the Democrats and let THEM get the credit and blame for that appalling leftist agenda.
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