Posted on 07/11/2015 9:54:21 AM PDT by golux
BTTT
Uh, the Confederate motto was 'deo vindice'. What a moron.
His butt would be my guess. Any truth to be found in there was probably accidental.
Don't you mean deovendickia? See fifth paragraph from the bottom.
Not sure about those numbers given, but I do know that there were a significant number of Southern Unionists who fought in Lincoln’s armies. A number of these were slaveholders who felt that there was more security for slavery in the union.
I’d have to research to refute many of the points made in this article but, unfortunately, the southern states did declare slavery as one of reasons for and primary to their sovereignty for secession.
See North Carolina.
This is from the Southern Poverty law Center. With their condemnation, I assume Chuck Baldwin is a good guy.
“Chuck Baldwin, a 35-year Florida “guns and God” pastor and a leader in the antigovernment “Patriot” movement, moved his apocalyptic mission to Montana in 2010, forming a new church in a burgeoning center for antigovernment and white supremacist extremists. Baldwin’s arrival in the Flathead Valley, where his Liberty Fellowship is drawing an array of radical-right congregants, followed years of activity on the far right. He was the presidential candidate of the Constitution Party in 2008 and its vice-presidential candidate in 2004. In recent rants, he’s raged against any form of gun control and warned darkly of an imminent and violent confrontation with government forces. The U.S. as we know it is going down, Baldwin insists, and patriotic citizens must lead the charge to save it.”
Because they didn't trust him. Because they thought slavery would be safer if they had their own country.
The problem was Lincoln wanted the Southern states to pay the Union a 40% tariff on their exports. The South considered this outrageous and refused to pay. By the time hostilities broke out in 1861, the South was paying up to, and perhaps exceeding, 70% of the nation’s taxes. Before the war, the South was very prosperous and productive. And Washington, D.C., kept raising the taxes and tariffs on them. You know, the way Washington, D.C., keeps raising the taxes on prosperous American citizens today.
Tariffs applied to the whole country not one region. Southerners who didn't like the tariff increase could have stayed in Congress and blocked it. The initial increase was from 17% overall (ad valorem), or 21% on dutiable items to about 26% overall or 36% on dutiable items. The tariff went up further later to pay for the war. And no, Southerners weren't paying 70% or more of the nation's taxes in 1860.
Not only did blacks not riot against the whites of the South, many black men volunteered to fight alongside their white friends and neighbors in the Confederate army. Unlike the blacks in the North, who were conscripted by Lincoln and forced to fight in segregated units, thousands of blacks in the South fought of their own free will in a fully-integrated Southern army. I bet your history book never told you about that.
Have you shame? Or no brain? Try reading more than your own lying history book, Chuck.
For God's sake, there were fewer than 400,000 slave holders in the entire country. If 300,000 of them were fighting for the Union then who the hell was fighting for the Confederacy???
And correct me if I'm wrong but the tariff on exports was zero percent, not the 40% that Chuck claims.
The Confederate Constitution would have allowed taxes on exports if 2/3 of both houses of Congress voted for them.
I guess they were expecting cotton exports would pay their government's bills.
Someone writes this stuff, puts it on the Internet, and from that point, it is regarded by many as fact.
I respect the confederacy and the men who fought for it. And that includes their flag.
It doesn’t mean I have to support slavery to take that stance.
I have heard it said time and time again that the Civil War was not fought over slavery, but over states rights, but it doesn’t hold water for me.
They were fighting over their rights as states to allow slavery, which is much the same as fighting over slavery. If there had been no slavery, there would have been no civil war, at least not at that time.
Did you miss the part where I said I was not sure that those numbers were correct? I think you did. However please keep in mind that 70-80% of southern soldiers were not slave owners. The Northern hero Grant owned slaves while Lee did not.
Actually, the Confederate Seal is “Deo Vindice.”
I am a genealogist, and I challenge every Freeper to do theirs so that they can ID, and honor those confederate ancestor soldiers by placing the CBF at their graves in their honor. Maybe the leftist revisonist will notice the intent, instead of trying to hijack the issue by tying it to a racist nutcase.
Do you disagree with the part regarding the "Emancipation" Proclamation? Because if you go and read the actual document you will find that it specifically leaves out the slaves in Union states, the only ones Lincoln could have really freed.
Do you disagree with the facts regarding the tariff issues of the time? If so you should research the issue more and read what people of the time had to say on it:
In December 25, 1860 South Carolina declared unfair taxes as a cause of secession in her Address of South Carolina to Slaveholding States: “The British parliament undertook to tax the Colonies, to promote British interests. Between taxation without any representation, and taxation without a representation adequate to protection, there was no difference.” “And so with the Southern States towards the Northern States, in the vital matter of taxation, they are in a minority in Congress.” “The people of the Southern States are not only taxed for the benefit of the Northern States, but after the taxes are collected, three-fourths (75%) of them are expended at the North.” (Paragraphs 5-8)
Only 5 of the 13 Confederate States mentioned slavery issues in their Secession Ordinances, i.e., the return of fugitive slaves, slavery in the U.S. territories and Federal abolition. By leaving the voluntary Union, these States abandoned all claims regarding the first two and the issue of Federal abolition was entirely eliminated as a cause of war by Lincoln’s First Inaugural Address and the Corwin Amendment. The only issue of contention remaining was the 40% Federal sales tax on Southerners, which required a compulsory Union to collect.
Lincoln states why he was fighting the South on April 19:
“Whereas an insurrection against the Government of the United States has broken out and the laws of the United States for the collection of the revenue cannot be effectually executed therein: Now, therefore, I have further deemed it advisable to set on foot a blockade of the ports within the States aforesaid.”
After the South had been forced back into the (now) compulsory Union under the 40% tax rate, Federal tax revenues mushroomed 300% to $170 million per year. Before the war, while the South was in the Union under the 20% tax rate, revenues had been $50 million per year. Source: U.S. Census Bureau Balance of Payments And Foreign Trade: 1821-1945 (Page 248)
I have lived in the south my entire life and I have never thought of owning a Confederate flag......until now.
Non slave owners were most of the soldiers who fought for the CSA. Along with tens of thousands of black men, in completely integrated units - unlike the Federal units that did not permit black men to fight with them.
You are welcome to your history (sic). We will keep ours. I never had to explain to my sons why the South fought. The’ve met enough Yankees to know why we fought.
Irrelevant whether it is real or not, Under those guidelines, I guess Gold's Gym is a racist organization too huh?
Someone sent this to me today as if it were by Megyn Kelly, but Chuck Baldwin is the author.
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