Posted on 05/26/2015 4:07:33 PM PDT by Sean_Anthony
So while Josh Duggar may be a hypocrite who needs to face up to the consequences of his actions, the radical "freethinker" community is really the last group of people who have any business pointing it out
By now, many readers have probably heard about the recent revelation that Josh Duggar, the oldest son of Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar of 19 Kids and Counting fame, has admitted to molesting some young girls a decade ago when he was a teenager. The information about this came out recently when a heavily redacted police report from 2006 was released by In Touch Weekly detailing the incidents. Duggar has since apologized for the acts, even as the scandal has grown and the Duggar’s television show has been pulled from TLC.
I have no interest here in defending Josh Duggar or his family—even though he was a teenager, Josh still committed terrible crimes against several young girls, and it appears that his family was complicit in trying to cover up the series of incidents so that scandal didn’t brew. They all should have faced the consequences for their actions, which would most likely entail jail time, both for the molestation itself as well as the act of interfering with an investigation. And while I firmly believe that God’s grace can cover all the sins of any who repent, at the same time, Scripture clearly teaches that we must face the earthly consequences of our actions—even when the perpetrator is a professing Christian who has repented and been forgiven. Jesus is not a “get out of jail free” card and treating Him that way for purposes of political expediency is an insult to the Saviour.
I see no reason to accuse the family of a cover up as they did what is allowed by statute.
The difference between Josh Duggar and Lena Dunham is that Josh has admitted sin and asked for forgiveness for it. Lena Dunham doesn’t think she did anything wrong.
But...but...so many here insist that not only is God a “get out of jail free card”...it is insisted that being disgusted by what Josh did and pointing out that he was a sexual predator is anti-Christian.
There appear to be a fair number of Christians who believe commenting on a case like this is just a nasty atheist thing to do, and we should all be worried about Josh’s secrecy and shut up about sympathy for his sisters.
Josh lost his job and the family their TV show. I've seen no one object to that.
What do you want? Crucify Josh Duggar to cross? Would that satisfy you?
The truth is that dozens of families would have handled the matter the same way, Christian or non-Christian.
Something something the people who aren’t assaulting kids are worse something something something.
-Mike Hucklebee
The truth is that I am not demanding more punishment for Josh.
I am however commenting that he has been a sexual predator, and that my sympathy lies with his sisters.
His story hit the news. Other families probably wouldn’t have paraded themselves before television cameras. But they did and the story came out.
I am not going to apologize for being leary of Josh Duggar and worrying about the future consequences his sister my face from what happened.
And while many families handle similar incidents in the same way, so did the Catholic Church.
I will comment on the news as it appears. I will not be silenced by you or anyone else who claims the right to arbitrate what may or may not be commented on.
“I see no reason to accuse the family of a cover up as they did what is allowed by statute. “
The Duggars did not report the incident to the police until a year later. They had a state trooper speak to Josh. The state trooper did nothing. He is now serving time in prison for child pornography.
Is that what you are referring to as being “allowed by statute”?
The law in AK allows a 14 year old to be tried as an adult in these cases. An investigation was not started until the Duggars were scheduled to be on the Oprah show years later. An anonymous letter was sent to the show alerting them and that started an investigation. The Duggars lawyered up and the statute of limitations now applies.
So since they were successful in avoiding the legal system in this case the state law allows the records to now be destroyed. Lucky for them huh?
Lena Dunham wasn't a lobbyist for the Family Research Center, an organization that argues against gay marriage for, among many reasons, the greater likelihood of child molestation in homes with gay parents.
Just a comment re the phrasing of news reporting and comments about this crime. Many have pointed out that it happened “more than a decade ago” as does a news report.
There’s something different about this kind of sexual crime - it’s not something people grow out of. Here I am using “people” to mean “perpetrator.” Stealing or forging while 14 years of age, “over 10 years ago” and realizing the error of your ways means something different than the same age of perpetrator and the same lapse in years when it refers to molesting children (i.e., he was 14 when he molested a 4 year old). This behavior is, sadly, a marker for perversion that psychologists can’t cure. Note there’s no indication that he ever received therapy but even if he had, this kind of perversion isn’t curable. Saying he’s sorry is a start but the elephant in the room is that he’s still a damaged person able to damage others.
I disagree.
Adolescent boys and girls are working with brains that are pruning and their judgment is poor. They are also sexually unhinged at times. And these people do grow up to be fine people once the brain gets into shape and the hormones calm down.
There really IS not a lot of difference (now that you have compared the two) between Duggar and Dunham.
BOTH have hurt their own (very young and vulnerable) sisters/sister. They BOTH are defended by those who play the politics of EVERYTHING for their own agendas (harm done to little sisters be damned).
There is a portion of the right (read some of the threads HERE on FR) who believe it was a “family” matter only and that JimBob and Michelle know best, and Josh has “repented” so no harm, no foul.
There was a portion of the Left (ever go over to the DUmp?) that truly support Dunham for artistic talents and blah, blah, blah.
Fortunately there is a much wider swath of sanity between those two points, who find pedophilia to be a criminal act, repugnant and damaging to its victims.
Sadly, about as much attention has been given to the victimized Duggar sisters as was given to the Dunham sister. ALL those young women have been hurt emotionally, spiritually and physically all because of a pedophile, narcissitic sibling, idiot parents (who looked the other way), and a breathless agenda driven media.
Josh and Lena are cut from the same sociopathic cloth.
I’ve read what the stories (articles) that you repeat like they’re fact. They sounded to me like the story got bigger on down the line. A judge signed off on expunging the juvenile record and if any charges were brought or any agreement for deferred prosecution we shan’t need to know now. I would say the quickness that the record that still existed was destroyed means it was supposed to be expunged under an existing order. “As far as the Springdale Police Department is concerned this report doesn’t exist.” from the article in the link above.
I would hope MOST families, after REPEATED incidents of big brother Josh sneaking into his little sisters’ bedrooms (Joy Duggar was FIVE!!!) that the parents would REMOVE the perpetrator from the home. Immediately. Send him to a grandparent, an adult (read child free) relative or trusted friend, while similtaneously getting ALL of the affected children counseling.
It seems the Duggars did nothing til “summer” when Josh was sent “off” to the hard labor of tract home building. How many more trips down the hall did Josh make while his parents were comtemati get their TV deal?
You’re an expert? What are your credentials? You know the extent of what happened how?
Contemplating !!! Not whatever gibberish my phone inserted.
Seriously?
It wasn't a simple case of a teenager with raging hormones. Josh Duggar is a pervert. He molested one sister, who told the father...nothing happened. He molested another sister....again, nothing happened. It took a year for the father to do anything about it. After a "stern talking to", as I read, Josh continued his abuse, going into his sisters' rooms and forcibly fondling their privates.
He was caught with his hand up the skirt of his five year-old sister as he held her on his lap, reading her a book.
If you consider that anywhere near normal or routine, well....
At least, his sisters were subjected to a trial and grilling by CPS.
I doubt his time or experience in juvenile detention would have been anymore helpful than being sent off to remodel homes.
That simply ignorant comment. A teen will do what he did and it has nothing to do with sex or sexual attraction to a minor.
And, utterly idiotic to compare 14-year old to adult priest. There is huge difference between an adult pedophile and a young teen that behaves that way in most cases. That's why we have greater punishments for adults than children.
And here we have it.
The assertion that repeated genital groping over the course of a year even after being caught by parents twice isn't sexual.
Why, obviously this shouldn't be illegal, right Kazan? Every boy of fourteen and fifteen does it to kids of a single digit age, that's your take kazan?
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