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US defeat in Ukraine (Waging war by proxy runs the risk of being defeated by proxy too)
Vox Popoli ^ | Monday, February 23, 2015 | Vox Day

Posted on 03/15/2015 4:16:01 AM PDT by Hacksaw

In less than a year, the United States has toppled the democratically-elected government of Ukraine, installed a Washington-backed stooge in Kiev, launched a bloody and costly war of annihilation on Russian-speaking people in the East, thrust the economy into a downward death spiral, and reduced the nation to an anarchic, failed state destined to endure a vicious fratricidal civil war for as far as the eye can see.

Last week, Washington suffered its greatest military defeat in more than a decade when Ukraine’s US-backed army was soundly routed in the major railway hub of Debaltsevo. Roughly, 8,000 Ukrainian regulars along with untold numbers of tanks and armored units were surrounded in what came to be known as “the cauldron.” The army of the Donetsk Peoples Republic led by DPR commander Alexander Zakharchenko, encircled the invading army and gradually tightened the cordon, eventually killing or capturing most of the troops within the pocket. The Ukrainian Armed Forces suffered major casualties ranging between 3,000 to 3,500 while a vast amount of lethal military hardware was left behind.

According to Zakharchenko, “The amount of equipment Ukrainian units have lost here is beyond description.”

(Excerpt) Read more at voxday.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: proxywar; russia; soros; ukraine
Published Feb 23, 2015. Food for thought.
1 posted on 03/15/2015 4:16:01 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw

Wait!

We toppled Ukraine, installed our own tard and then lost the war?

Well, the university professors are running the show...


2 posted on 03/15/2015 4:26:55 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Hacksaw

This is Russian inspired bushwah! Putin has gone after Crimea and eastern Ukraine in an effort to reconstitute the Russian empire and control coal iron ore and the strong industrial base there. In Crimea he needs warm water ports at Sevastopol

Yanukovich was a Russian toady If Putin wanted him there he would still be president


3 posted on 03/15/2015 4:31:34 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Vendome

Well, to give Soros his due, from what I have read he did buy up a lot of Ukraine’s debt. I’m sure he is not happy about losing money in this deal, and exerting pressure where he can (my opinion).


4 posted on 03/15/2015 4:32:33 AM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
This is Russian inspired bushwah! Putin has gone after Crimea and eastern Ukraine in an effort to reconstitute the Russian empire and control coal iron ore and the strong industrial base there. In Crimea he needs warm water ports at Sevastopol.

Did you read the whole article? It was written by right leaning American author and writer Vox Day. I hardly think he is a Russian toady. Pat Buchanan has written a lot about it as well.

A lot of info about the Ukraine and Crimea conflicts are influenced by State Department propaganda. Maybe later today if time I will post some articles about that (have to get 20 miles in for marathon training, prob won't feel like doing anything after that).

5 posted on 03/15/2015 4:38:02 AM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: Hacksaw
Poroshenko's failure to withdraw his troops from the Debaltsevo Pocket was a strategic mistake of the sort one usually only sees labeled Fuhrerbefehl...

a useful analogy...

6 posted on 03/15/2015 4:41:21 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Hacksaw

This is another one of McCain’s wars that didn’t work out like he wanted.


7 posted on 03/15/2015 4:58:12 AM PDT by McGruff (Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive.)
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To: Hacksaw

So NATO and the EU, with the White Hut and McLame don’t get to take over the Crimea and Ukraine _ militarily, politically - and for those who have paid attention from the get go - informationally.

Not to mention moving on to take over the rest of Russia’s border towns.

It’s been interesting to see how many people, even here, bought into the propaganda - people who know full well that if anyone in DC and their media lap dogs opens their mouths or prints a word, you can pretty much bank on it being a lie - bought into it.

NOw, may ‘cankles” suffer the same level of defeat.


8 posted on 03/15/2015 5:21:11 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits ye shall know them.)
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To: maine-iac7

McCain has been about as successful with his wars as he was with his aircraft.


9 posted on 03/15/2015 5:45:26 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: maine-iac7
It's amazing how many people, even here, bought into the propaganda

The facts unfolded on FR probably better than at any other source, but freepers had to read through and figure out what is fact and what is propaganda.

It's also impressive how many freepers didn't believe the propaganda and support McCain/Nuyland/Obama warmongering and regime change as a good thing. What I find more appalling is the US Senate overwhelmingly supported, armed, advised, and funded the coup government in Kiev.

That illegal government NEVER even had power much beyond the immediate region. If they sent out Ukranian troops, they didn't want to fight. All the Kiev "gov" did was borrow billions which have disappeared, destroyed the economy, and made it probably impossible for Ukraine to remain as one country. The best solution now would be that the mess be partitioned among its neighbors according to ethnic interests.

JMHO

10 posted on 03/15/2015 5:49:36 AM PDT by grania
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To: Hacksaw

I was just reading an article about covert Russian bloggers....


11 posted on 03/15/2015 5:52:59 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Vendome
“We toppled Ukraine, installed our own tard and then lost the war?”

Yeah, one might also wonder why FR is becoming a distribution center for KGB manufactured propaganda.

12 posted on 03/15/2015 7:26:37 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Hacksaw

Some here support the Obama administration’s weakness, I support Senator Ted Cruz.

“When it comes to Russia and Ukraine, the path we’re on doesn’t make any sense,” Cruz, R-Texas, told ABC’s “This Week” while at the Munich Security Conference. “We need to be providing defensive arms to the people of Ukraine.”


13 posted on 03/15/2015 8:06:07 AM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: Hacksaw

Is this satire?


14 posted on 03/15/2015 10:29:34 AM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: grania
That illegal government NEVER even had power much beyond the immediate region. If they sent out Ukranian troops, they didn't want to fight. All the Kiev "gov" did was borrow billions which have disappeared, destroyed the economy, and made it probably impossible for Ukraine to remain as one country. The best solution now would be that the mess be partitioned among its neighbors according to ethnic interests.

The next person conscripted by Ukraine to fight the rebels should be the son of George Soros.

15 posted on 03/15/2015 12:00:31 PM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Back - the 20 miler went well but the wind chill was horrible especially over bridges. Anyway, here is one of Buchanan's articles on the subject if you are interested: Will Mobocracy Triumph in Ukraine?
16 posted on 03/15/2015 12:03:44 PM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: grania
"The best solution now would be that the mess be partitioned"

True.


17 posted on 03/15/2015 12:07:42 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Uhhhh.....I meant the partition of Ukraine. But you knew that. <^..^>


18 posted on 03/15/2015 12:28:54 PM PDT by grania
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To: Hacksaw

Many of those Ukrainians will show up in the Rebel units or in Russian units, as the defection rate is still very high.


19 posted on 03/18/2015 8:47:38 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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