Posted on 03/07/2015 8:59:15 AM PST by Sean_Anthony
“It’s original usage is so reprehensible to most Americans that usage of the term, even when not in its original usage, evokes emotions of horror.”
I doubt that. First, it was the Big Government - big federal government - at that time that slammed the rights of states. Whether you disagree with the right to secede or determine their own rules, the forefathers gave the states that right. Slavery was common all over the world at that time. It’s a liberal reaction to use emotion (’horror’?) and take things out of historical context to make your weak point. ‘States’ rights’ is not the same thing as ‘Heil Hitler’.
And since then...it’s been the federal behemoth that has grown out of control. And what we have now is a direct result.
‘State’s Powers’ is a silly war cry though.
Generally true, but there are also legal rights which may apply to an entity by virtue of (e.g.) position --
RightSo it depends on what we're talking about — in the legal realm (esp. given drf. #23) States certainly do have rights.
[…]
(noun)
18. a just claim or title, whether legal, prescriptive, or moral: You have a right to say what you please.
19. Sometimes, rights. that which is due to anyone by just claim, legal guarantees, moral principles, etc.: women's rights; Freedom of speech is a right of all Americans.
20. adherence or obedience to moral and legal principles and authority.
21. that which is morally, legally, or ethically proper: to know right from wrong.
22. a moral, ethical, or legal principle considered as an underlying cause of truth, justice, morality, or ethics.
23. Sometimes, rights. the interest or ownership a person, group, or business has in property: He has a 50-percent right in a silver mine. The author controls the screen rights for the book. 24. the property itself or its value.
25. Finance.
(a) the privilege, usually preemptive, that accrues to the owners of the stock of a corporation to subscribe to additional shares of stock or securities convertible into stock at an advantageous price.
(b) Often, rights. the privilege of subscribing to a specified amount of a stock or bond issue, or the document certifying this privilege.
[…]
Just looked this up in a legal dictionary:
Power. The right, ability, or authority to perform an act.
Depending on the context, the two words could be synonyms.
Quote the 10th Amendment. POWERS. We are not talking about a dictionary. We are talking about
1) The Constitution and our form of government that distributes POWER because it is POWER that can be abused.
and
2) We are talking about how the term “states rights” is regarded by the vast majority of Americans...its meaning in common usage.
What was slavery about? Slavery was the government...the sheriff...the US Marshall using the force of the government to “legitimize the contract for sale” of humans and to use the force of government to return run-away slaves.
Suppose there were “slavery” but the government never legitimized the contract for sale and the government protected “slaves” from “contracts” that were not between a willing buyer and a willing seller? Slavery would have disappeared quickly.
Slavery was the worst violation of Capitalism we have ever seen as Capitalism is based on all parties to a contract being voluntary willing and able parties to the contract.
Speaking of those who are supposed to police the President, what about those who are just supposed to Ask Questions about the President???
Can you imagine a truly curious media? If I woke up and turned on CNN or NBC news and heard these top stories, I’d assume I had died and this was heaven’s broadcast:
“Why does the President have so many social security cards; we investigate”
“For every one negative Obama statement against ISIS or Iran, we counted nine negative statements against Israel”
“Whistleblower in Supreme Court - Law Clerk speaks Up About Blackmail on the Highest Court”
“Gay Romp at White House; German Diplomat Tells All”
“Canadian Man finds among nurse mother’s belongings photos of her with her pregnant charges at Vancouver Home for Unwed, including photos of Obama’s mother while pregnant with him”
“Obama often photoshopped into meetings, can’t really be bothered”
“Secret service forced to carry shopping bags for Obama’s wife and mother in law”
“Finally an old flame of Obama in Hawaii Speaks Up: John Mullin Spent Many Nights in Backseat of Barry’s Car”
You won the internet today, my FRiend.
Applauding.
“What was slavery about? Slavery was the government...the sheriff...the US Marshall using the force of the government to “legitimize the contract for sale” of humans and to use the force of government to return run-away slaves.”
True. But things back then are not like they are now. Women were also property - although not to the extent the slaves were.
I find it interesting that in 2 corners of the world, slavery was abolished independently but at about the same time. My ancestors were serfs in Russia, freed about the same time as the slaves here. Before that, slavery had gone on for centuries all over the world. It wasn’t just here, like the liberals like to try to have the young skulls of mush think.) I wonder why? You have a grasp of history - what was going on world-wide that wiped out slavery at that time?
In the US women were never property or the same as slaves. It was never legal to sell a woman...that was prostitution. People were prosecuted for rape, robbery and murder of women; but not the murder, rape, robbery of slaves.
Women usually were not married against their will.
In most places in the US women could enter into contracts and own property, although there were anecdotal exceptions.
I have not seen anything from Obama that makes me believe he is not stupid. He is a puppet and he is stupid.
And I'm saying that the states, as legal entities, having delegated powers and formed another entity [the federal government] have rights — just as investors in a company [i.e. shareholders] do.
States do have delegated powers. What you have not explained is how governemnts (states, federal or world government) can create or delegate rights if all they have is power.
And the use of those powers is a right, it is not a license — that is the nature of authority.
What you have not explained is how governemnts (states, federal or world government) can create or delegate rights if all they have is power.
I said nothing about them creating rights, I said nothing about them delegating rights; I suggest you clear your mind of assumptions and re-read what I did say, because until/unless you do you are going to be mishearing everything I say.
how did the dictionary define rights? find an older legal dictionary prior to 1960 or even 1930. i’m lookin for my blacks
i posted this as well and will stick to my guns. i’m going thru an old blacks on the usage or rights. however if you read blackstone he has rights assigned to all the kings and his minions
i think i’m speaking the choir but the use of delegated powers are never a right and can be lawfully by an appeal to god rescinded by the governed. either by legislature or all means necessary to re-establish the original principles constituted in the governed. The abuse of these present an persistent abuse of powers can be served by declarations of abuse, abilities for remedy and action of remedy upon these governments. and swear our sacred honor on the above.
as you say there are women in philly that owned property independent of men and my initial research. i thot there weren’t any. but there are lots.
Ablrith C. gentlewoman, 709 S lOth
Allen Catlnirine, gentlewoman, 1630
Wiillaee, Allen Eliza, gentlewoman, 2 De Soto pi
mcelroys 1863
from a legal dictionary you need to read the whole thing from a legal perspective. the definition is four pages long. the word power as a legal distinction has, as all words in the legal domain, been emasculated over time.
i saved the book but don’t have the link i can post the entire book here it is old no longer copyrighted. the general incorporation laws enacted under our stalin (FDR) made corporations people.
an 1891 version would be a good one to understand prior would be better 1840 or before. then compare current blacks.
POWER. The right, ability, or faculty of doing
something. Clifford v. Helvering, C.C.A.8, 105 F.
2d 586, 591. Authority to do any act which the
grantor might himself lawfully perform. In re
Morrison’s Estate, 173 Misc. 503, 18 N.Y.S.2d 235,
241.
In a restricted sense a “power” is a liberty or
authority reserved by, or limited to, a person to
dispose of real or personal property, for his own
benefit, or benefit of others, or enabling one person
to dispose of interest which is vested in another.
In re Vanatta’s Estate, 99 N.J.Eq. 339, 131
A. 515, 518; Hupp v. Union Coal & Coke Co., 284
Pa. 529, 131 A. 364, 365; Security Trust & Safe
Deposit Co. v. Ward, 10 Del.Ch. 408, 93 A. 385, 388.
Real property law. An authority to do some act
in relation to real property, or to the creation or
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