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Now That Electric Cadillac Can't Compete With Tesla, GM Tries Frequent Flyer Miles
NLPC ^ | October 7, 2014 | Mark Modica

Posted on 10/07/2014 1:25:19 PM PDT by jazusamo

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When I saw the headline I thought the 'Frequent Flyer Miles' was a joke but it's for real. Sheesh.
1 posted on 10/07/2014 1:25:20 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo; Mark Modica
Does anyone else find it interesting that NLPC.org, which is primarily funded by oil billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife, puts out anti-EV articles like this on a regular basis? I really wish republican politicians were less dependent on oil-money campaign donations. Then we might see some honest, unbiased conservative thought when it comes to electric cars.

After all, if electric cars caught on in a serious way, it would put the petro-dictators of the world in the poorhouse.

2 posted on 10/07/2014 1:32:11 PM PDT by LogicDesigner
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To: jazusamo
the excited commentator exulting over the cars blazing zero to sixty time of 9.4 seconds

My humble Nissan Leaf does 0-60 in 8 seconds (and feels like less). Heck yeah I'd expect a car costing 2.5x should do it in 5, not more.

3 posted on 10/07/2014 1:32:28 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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To: jazusamo
While I would rot in the gutters of hell before I would buy another GM product (used to buy nothing but GM), it looks to me like Cadillac is, at least, still one of the PREMIER makes in the world.

Is Price the issue, or are folks like me and sour on Government Motors?

4 posted on 10/07/2014 1:35:36 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: LogicDesigner

LOL! They’re just getting the truth out.

Get back to us IF electric cars catch on in a serious way.


5 posted on 10/07/2014 1:36:08 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: LogicDesigner

“After all, if electric cars caught on in a serious way, it would put the petro-dictators of the world in the poorhouse. “

Not an engineer, are you?

No matter, it appears there aren’t too many at GM either.

Corvettes excepted, of course.


6 posted on 10/07/2014 1:36:43 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Mariner

I honestly don’t know why Caddy sales have been taking a beating other than the ELR. It’s nothing more than a frilled up Chevy Volt at over twice the price.


7 posted on 10/07/2014 1:38:58 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Cadillac lost its brand loyalty by selling crappy engines that stretch head bolts and cause head gasket failures for too many years.
A $5000 repair.


8 posted on 10/07/2014 1:40:20 PM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: LogicDesigner

EVs have their place, and much of the US currently isn’t. Atlanta (especially the wealthier northeastern suburban sector) is darned near overrun with EVs, with an optimal balance of commuting culture (public transport is dysfunctional), commuting distance (well within the limited EV range), financial savvy (huge tax credits IF you can swing the cash flow required), and moderate temperatures. The Nissan Leaf dominates, with Tesla being what everyone really wants, and a smattering of Volts and other EVs seen on occasion.


9 posted on 10/07/2014 1:40:22 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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To: jazusamo

If GM got rid of the UAW, I might look at a GM car. Until then, no deal.


10 posted on 10/07/2014 1:42:45 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: jazusamo

For folks wanting a semi-viable electric, the story points out there’s the much higher rated Tesla for about the same price. For the yuppies who want an urban run around electric, the BMW i3 is available for $40K. There was no way a rebadged Chevy Volt listing for $75K was going to find a place in the market.


11 posted on 10/07/2014 1:43:18 PM PDT by Stevenc131
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To: jazusamo; Mark Modica
“LOL! They’re just getting the truth out. Get back to us IF electric cars catch on in a serious way.”

The truth? Yea, right. Having an oil billionaire tell you that electric cars are no good is like Coke telling you that Pepsi is no good.

The author of this article, Mark Modica, has been writing for NLPC since October 2010, a couple of months before the Volt was released. He has written 277 articles in that time. Want to guess how many of those articles are anti-EV or anti-GM?

100%

That's right, this guy's full-time job is posting anti-EV and anti-GM articles. Does it surprise you that his boss is Richard Mellon Scaife, the oil billionaire? If it does, then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

12 posted on 10/07/2014 1:44:18 PM PDT by LogicDesigner
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To: jazusamo

Maybe they should have called it the eCimarron.


13 posted on 10/07/2014 1:44:19 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Mariner

Performance is the issue. 0-60 in 9.5 seconds is pathetic, when a comparably-priced car (Tesla) does it in half the time, and the common “cheap” alternative (Leaf, at about half the price) is also faster.


14 posted on 10/07/2014 1:46:42 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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To: Stevenc131
the BMW i3 is available for $40K.

Really? Dang. I'm delighted with leasing my Leaf, and that's about $30K retail. Nice to know a peppy & luxury alternative is just $10K more.

15 posted on 10/07/2014 1:49:26 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Absolutely and people were commenting about the Cimarron before the ELR was in the dealer showrooms.


16 posted on 10/07/2014 1:51:15 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: ctdonath2
"Performance is the issue"

Not in a REAL Cadillac.

Each and every one hauls a$$.

Hell, they make a 550+hp/550+ lb ft supercharged V8 that will launch a CTS 0-60 in 3.9 seconds.

That's about fast enough for anybody.

They make a modern STS with the same engine. It's PLENTY.

17 posted on 10/07/2014 1:56:44 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: LogicDesigner

NLPC has been against the whole GM bailout and crony capitalism in the car industry from the start.

Now, try to think logically, “LogicDesigner”...

What is the relative balance of GMs fleet, between electric vehicles and oil-dependent vehicles?

A very simple analysis would tell you it is much more weighed to the latter than the former. Therefore, if all NLPC wants to do is trash the concept of electric vehicles, and increase petroleum sales, then they certainly should have THANKED the federal government for “saving” (cough) GM.

What’s most amazing of all with your post is that you attribute NLPC for being able to influence the electric vehicle market. The truth is, that even WITH the crony-capitalism advantage of taxpayer subsidies, the vast majority of electric cars are lemons in the market. No amount of propaganda - one way or another - would influence the rejection the market is outright giving many of these cars.


18 posted on 10/07/2014 1:59:12 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: blueunicorn6

Looks like I am buying a Ford Fusion. Cant even look at GM because of the recalls and gov bailout. The Fusion is a sweet ride and got all sorts if goodys.


19 posted on 10/07/2014 2:10:19 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Yossarian
“A very simple analysis would tell you it is much more weighed to the latter than the former. Therefore, if all NLPC wants to do is trash the concept of electric vehicles, and increase petroleum sales, then they certainly should have THANKED the federal government for “saving” (cough) GM.”

This reasoning is absurd. Mr. Scaife, oops, I mean NLPC, has been trashing the Volt since before it was released, back when it had zero sales. The oil industry is smart and they know they have to “nip this in the bud,” not wait until it has a significant marketshare before they start their propaganda.

Judging by how easily people here have treated NLPC as a trustworthy source for years goes to show that it is an effective strategy.

See for yourself, the author has done nothing in the past four years except put out anti-EV and anti-GM articles.

20 posted on 10/07/2014 2:10:30 PM PDT by LogicDesigner
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