Posted on 09/09/2014 7:56:30 AM PDT by cleghornboy
Pope Francis has just reminded us that, "God 'walks with the righteous and the sinners.' He walks 'with everyone, to arrive at that encounter, the final encounter of man with Him.'" (See here).
Once again, it is what Pope Francis does not say that is troubling. Yes the weeds continue to grow among the wheat until Jesus returns. Yes, we are all sinners. But the notion that I can live as I wish, committing one sin after another, and that this is somehow "okay" because Jesus "walks with me" is erroneous. It is presumption. The Catechism of the Catholic Church reminds us that: "There are two kinds of presumption. Either man presumes upon his own capacities, (hoping to be able to save himself without help from on high), or he presumes upon God's almighty power or his mercy (hoping to obtain his forgiveness without conversion and glory without merit)." (CCC, 2092).
Dr. Grisez explains that, "Remaining interested in God's promises and counting on him to keep them, those who sin by presumption continue to hope and even, to some extent, to shape their lives by hope. But, not consistently putting hope into practice, they abuse it, expecting pardon without repentance and the reward for following Jesus without the cost of discipleship. This unrealistic expectation is the essence of presumption. An element of pride underlies this sin. Rejecting God's terms for obtaining what he promises, the presumptuous expect to obtain it on their own. They suppose that God, like a blustery parent, threatens punishments which he will be too softhearted to carry out, and, like a permissive parent, accompanies his gift of freedom with a virtual guarantee to fend off the consequences of its irresponsible use. Such suppositions are inconsistent with faith..
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Christ is the Redeemer, the antichrist is the Enabler..there is a diffrence
Catholics get bashed every day for being a “works based religion” (which we’re not).
Given this though, why would anyone think the Pope is extolling some kind of Once Saved Always Saved mentality here?
It makes no sense. The Catholic Church (and its Pope) can’t both teach “works based salvation” AND Once Saved Always Saved.
Even though both are false at least pick one to trash the Church with.
One of those “Salvation Cults” owned that ferry that sank in South Korea, the head of the cult was the subject of a manhunt until they found his body, but several of his family are in prison now.
Their cult basically said you can sin all you want after you are saved, because once saved always saved.
Isn’t it a Protestant concept that, all one has to say is, “Jesus is Lord”, and one will be saved?
That’s why many of them are so certain, in this life, that they will go to heaven.
I wish life were that simple.
“Yes, we are all sinners.”
Yup, standard refrain from liberals - “you are forgiven”. They also ALWAYS leave out the next sentence “sin no more!”
‘But the notion that I can live as I wish, committing one sin after another, and that this is somehow “okay” because Jesus “walks with me” is erroneous.....he presumes upon God’s almighty power or his mercy (hoping to obtain his forgiveness without conversion and glory without merit)’
This is basically the Calvinist view, Methodists seem to love it.
Screw/spew all you want, as long as you also talk about Jesus, you are good! Never mind how incredibly disrespectful it is to know the rules of God and NOT follow them.
Yes and no. Yes, it tends to be Protestant, but different denominations take it to different levels.
Some of us think that this does not absolve us from any sin, or allow us to go act out in any sinful way.
Others of us think indeed, they are purely OK as long as they mention Jesus! Otherwise, they can screw any time they want, drink heavily, smoke pot, lie on applications, etc. Talk about a fun religion! Go ahead, you can have your cake and eat it too!
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That is not what Protestants believe. Along with accepting Christ you try to live according to His Word. Everyday is a challenge to keep His Grace. Yes, once saved you are always saved if you stay with Him in your walk and remain repentant, but it is not a get out of jail free card.
This sounds terribly close to the "Mad Monk" Rasputin who believed that you had to sin in order to be forgiven --- so, sin away.
Yes, I have noticed that as well. Jesus did forgive that woman; but, he ALSO told her to "sin no more". Yes, there is forgiveness; but, if you continue the sin, you are back where you started.
There is another example of this, I believe, in the verses about women loving their husbands, etc., etc. Feminists use it to "prove" that the bible is mysoginistic. However, they also leave out the following passage, which begins: Husbands, love your wives. Kind of a one from column A and one from column B -- cherry picking the verses that prove your point, but ignoring those that call it into question.
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Pretty close except you had to be saved first
Not a protestant concept at all
Yeah - my understanding was always that you accept God as your one and only God, and Christ as you savior. No man is capable of living without sin, but must make an effort to do so and ask for forgiveness when he cannot.
I don’t see anyone being able to live wholly without sin even if they have accepted Him, despite their best efforts. Heaven knows I’m a failed creature.
Doesn’t the song go “for we are weak and he is strong”?
That’s why many of them are so certain, in this life, that they will go to heaven.
I wish life were that simple.
No. That's the typical Catholic misrepresentation of what being born again is all about in an attempt to discredit salvation by grace through faith in Christ.
Paul says this in the Bible that non-Catholics are criticized for believing....
Romans 6:1-23 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification. For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I wish life were that simple.
It is that simple. Simple enough for a child to do it, so that it does NOT depend on intellectual acumen, wealth, position, power, or anything else that WE bring to the table.
Getting saved IS that easy.
Dying to the flesh isn't and resisting sin.
No. It isn’t.
And Catholics of course don't do any of this...In fact, they are so sinless they are only required to ask God to forgive then once a year...You guys crack me up...You don't even acknowledege sin...
Please privide proof of any denomination teaches that.
You guys? I am Lutheran. It’s my simple experience that Methodists tend to be very wishy-washy about morals.
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