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July 25, News on situation in Ukraine
Elena Filatova ^ | July 25, 2014 | Elena Filatova

Posted on 07/25/2014 7:46:34 AM PDT by No One Special

Here is recent map, sorry I didn't find one in English. In yellow and blue is Ukrainian territory, Russia is brown and separatists controlled territory is in between. There is two or three pockets where Ukrainian army having hard time, it is near Russian border. They are between separatists and Russians who fire from Russian territory. Pentagon admitted today that Russia is firing artillery from its own territory into Ukraine to hit Ukrainian military sites. They doing it for second week.

To understand what future may hold for us let me remind how it went with Osetia in 2008. Russia was supplying Osetian separatists with tanks and heavy weapons. They fired at Georgian cities quite for a while and eventually Georgians couldn't stand it longer and moved on Osetians and Russian troops have been there waiting, so they counter attacked and found themselves deep into Georgian territory.

We can see that Russians want to play the same scenario, but so far it doesn't work. Why? First because Ukrainians not so impulsive and hot blooded as Georgians. Ukrainians reserved and even tempered people. Everyone understand if we attack Russians on their territory then Putin will send so called peacekeepers. Of course if nothing else works Russians can attack their cities themselves and tell Ukrainians did it. Either way in Ukraine we have third wave of mobilization. Another 50.000 reservists will join army. Everyone understand it is not to fight separatists, it is to hold wide-front offensive of Russian army.

I want to say a couple of words to people who have financial interests in Russia or who somehow connected with Russia ecnonomically. Get out of this market, it has no future. Just grab whatever you can get out of this mess and invest somewhere else. Things in Russia will never get back on track. This empire is finished. Future trend is that things bad today and they will be worse tomorrow until worse of all...


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1 posted on 07/25/2014 7:46:34 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

Funding for Ukraine’s army runs out on August 1st.


2 posted on 07/25/2014 7:50:55 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck; tcrlaf; caww; McGruff

Is Russian commander Strelkov going to hold another fundraiser for the insurgency or just add lipstick, mascara and cosmetics to his Turn In The Loot Order:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2705628/Mascara-Amsterdam-precise-field-Outrage-female-separatist-posts-Instagram-selfie-wearing-looted-mascara-boasting-it.html


3 posted on 07/25/2014 7:59:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Is Putin Responsible For MH17? Five Questions For Investigators On Russian Culpability

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/07/24/is-putin-responsible-for-mh17-five-questions-for-investigators-on-russian-culpability/


4 posted on 07/25/2014 8:07:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Don’t expect replys to stupid posts but on topic

How many of these questions have been answered to date?

1. Why did the MH17 plane leave the international corridor?

2. Was MH17 leaving the route a navigation mistake or was the crew following instructions by Ukrainian air traffic controllers in Dnepropetrovsk?

3. Why was a large group of air defense systems deployed to the militia-held area if the self-defense forces have no planes?

4. Why did Kiev deploy BUK missile systems on the edge of militia-controlled zones directly before the tragedy?

5. On the day of the crash Kiev intensified Kupol-M1 9S18 radar activity, key BUK system components. Why?

6. What was a military plane doing on the route intended for civilian flights?

7. Why was the military jet flying at so close to a passenger plane?

8. Where did the launcher – from the video circulated by Western media and showing a Buk system being moved allegedly from Ukraine to Russia – come from? As the video was made on the territory controlled by Kiev, where was the launcher being transported?

9. Where is it right now? Why are some of the missiles missing on the launcher? When was the last time a missile was launched from it?

10. Why haven’t US officials revealed the evidence supporting claims that the MH17 was shot down by a missile launched by the militia?


5 posted on 07/25/2014 8:14:48 AM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: McGruff; tcrlaf

11. Why is Moscow asking questions when they should be giving answers, McGruff — not that any are to be believed???

12. Where are the the rest of the bodies, McGruff??? You said there were 298 but delivered only 200.

13. How much money did Strelkov raise from the loot of the Russian looters of MH17, McGruff?? Is it true that he will not hold a mascara cosmetics fundraiser???

14. Do you agree with tcrlaf that the Russian rebels shot down MH17, McGruff???


6 posted on 07/25/2014 8:23:51 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: mac_truck; tcrlaf; McGruff; dforest
Breaking ......Interpol puts out a Red Notice on Private Sector leader 'Yarosh' for incitement to terrorism!

Yarosh is wanted by the International Criminal Police Organization for “public incitement to terrorist and extremist activities. .....Pravy Sector played a key role protests in Kiev's Independence Square during the revolution.

Yarosh has headed an ultra-right Stepan Bandera All-Ukrainian Organization ″Tryzub″ since 2005. During the EuroMaidan protests, the organization became "the base" of the Right Sector

Yarosh claimed long standing Ukrainian support for "Chechen militants," and urged terrorist leader 'Doku Umarov' to ...."launch attacks against Russia in support of Ukraine".....The radical leader has been consistently anti-Russian in his statements, calling for the destruction and division of the “Moscow Empire” and openly supporting Chechen militants and Georgian aggression

Yarosh has said that war between the two countries is “inevitable.” His appeal to terrorist leader Umarov puts the Right Sector on a par with international terrorist organisations.

....Dmitry Yarosh has confirmed that those who had been gangsters in the North Caucasus were ..." also in Independence Square in Kiev".........Yarosh, 42, is a long-term Ukrainian nationalist campaigner, whose stated aim is for the country to be affiliated "neither with Russia nor Europe".

In my opinion this man is responsible for the beginnings of the violence in the Eastern Ukraine as these were his calls to go in with the military under his control, the failures of the cease fires, the continuance of the conflict, and that with orchestrating missile fires from Ukraine from various militia's and their leaders, under his direction on citizens of Eastern Ukraine etc...and likely instrumental in the happenings with the MH17 crash....(with Poroshenko's/US support, directly and indirectly).

(Here he is working as Kiev's Gov. Official Head of Security and Defense)

(Here he is in Kiev's Maidan Demonstrations)

(Here he is with Moslem terrorist friends..note his headpiece and beard)


7 posted on 07/25/2014 9:58:47 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I can beat that.

#BREAKING: More than 15,000 Russian troops amassed along border with Ukraine: U.S. ambassador to NATO

PHOTOS: Russian ships and sailors demonstrate their skills on Navy Day. http://reut.rs/1lDTk2Q


8 posted on 07/25/2014 10:09:43 AM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: No One Special
Heh, I agree with your sentiments completely. Years back Paan American Silver was royally screwed on a property in Russia. Lower bidders got the rights (friends of Putin). What insanity as a CEO must you have to expand in Russia?

A has been nation fighting for its last grasp of air. Frankly good riddance.

9 posted on 07/25/2014 10:24:40 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: McGruff

Are you their pay?


10 posted on 07/25/2014 10:25:39 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: caww
Ooh, more “scary” claims that the Ukranians are Nazis. Heard that one before.
11 posted on 07/25/2014 10:26:58 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: McGruff

Interesting also is the U.S. has not had a permanent ambassador in Russia since February, when former ambassador Michael McFaul resigned.

Cruz is holding up the Senate Nominations until he gets answers from the administration.

Russia has every right to put as many troops as it wants on it’s border....it’s there border....frankly I don’t blame Russia one bit for their actions on the border. Nato/EU/US knew very well any action they would take regarding Ukraine would incite clearly a response from Russia......they’ve opened this can of worms and now they can’t manage it.

I’m so disgusted with this administration that there are no words for the depth of it anymore. Who does Obama think he is to create such unrest and violence throughout the world and not blink an eye while he hides behind his latest vacation, golf trip and chugging beer with his buddies!


12 posted on 07/25/2014 10:29:50 AM PDT by caww
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To: Sam Gamgee

Rather like those who fail to grasp the Islamic threat.....try again.


13 posted on 07/25/2014 10:32:19 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Oh, I understand the threat. And how does Putin confront it? Bombing the shite out of Chechnya, killing good people along with terrorists, for an optics show, accomplishing nothing. Meanwhile he supplies a friend of the Chechnyan terrorists, Iran, arms. Shows he cares nothing for his own people.
14 posted on 07/25/2014 10:36:23 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee

You will not live again.
You will not rise from the snow
Twenty-eight holes from the bayonet
Five from the gun.

I have made a shroud for my friend,
Sad cloth.
She loves, loves blood
This Russian Earth.

—Dedicated to Nikolay Gumilyov
Anna Akhmatova,


15 posted on 07/25/2014 10:43:41 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: Sam Gamgee
What Putin does with Chechnya is his business......Nato has been trying for years to expand and encircle Russia's sphere of influence, and it's neighboring country's. That's what the game-board is and what's been at play for years as Eu/Nato continues it's push for consolidating countries into it's sphere of influence and control.

These events are happening across the ocean....where Europe, China and Russia and Asian nations have to live, trade and bargain as they do among themselves.

We have no business in Ukraine except to checkmate Putin and prevent his relationships with Europe from continuing as they have been......

It's laughable that you would even comment about Chechnya getting bombed by Putin when we've been bombing the daylights in other countries....and our administration continues to fund and support terrorists organizations.

Chechnya is a “contained” terrorist infested entity, they are shooting each other up there....rather like our gang invested areas here in the state. When it gets too far out of hand the leadership in Chechnya calls on Putin to take out their opposition.

There is no doubt Putin does and will continue to align with Muslim nations...they too are in his back yard.....but Europe's relationships with Putin was helpful in keeping that limited and we had his co-operation when we needed it most. ....and we're still getting it despite the situation in Ukraine and the sanctions.

16 posted on 07/25/2014 10:52:51 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
We don't bomb the daylights out of anyone. We strategically hit targets, while Russia basically does Dresden on their ass. You never explained by Putin arms the Chechnyan through Iran?

We have Putin's cooperation? Hurry, find Jones and his koolaid.

Kick Putin from the G8.

17 posted on 07/25/2014 10:56:04 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: caww

World’s going crazy today.

Over 40 mortar shells ‘fired to kill’ into Russia from #Ukraine - Russia’s border officials http://on.rt.com/lf2s2p pic.twitter.com/cVNzuRWlmz


18 posted on 07/25/2014 11:00:32 AM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: McGruff

.. and some people just like to see the world burn ...


19 posted on 07/25/2014 11:16:42 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: caww

He might not live long enough to face charges.

There were reports last night that Yarosh was surrounded with his troops in a town called “Peski”, and that Bezler was personally overseeing the attack on them.

Haven’t heard anything since.


20 posted on 07/25/2014 11:52:51 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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