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Army vets blast PC police for attacking Apache, Chinook helicopters as racist
The Washington Times ^ | June 27, 2014 | Douglas Ernst

Posted on 06/27/2014 6:32:50 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

Veterans aren’t happy with a recent op-ed by the Washington Post, which charged that the Apache, Comanche, Chinook, Lakota, Cheyenne and Kiowa military vehicles were a “greater symbolic injustice” than the NFL’s Washington Redskins’ name. “Even if the NFL and Redskins brass come to their senses and rename the team, a greater symbolic injustice would continue to afflict Indians — an injustice perpetuated not by a football club but by our federal government,” Simon Waxman of the Boston Review wrote for the Post on Thursday.

He added that the helicopter names were “propaganda” that needed to end, because Native American life expectancy statistics indicate the “violence is ongoing, even if the guns are silent.” Readers at the popular military news gathering website Doctrine Man reacted Friday. “I suspect that the author is less unhappy that our choppers have Indian names, and more unhappy that there is a U.S. military,” wrote Alex Kuhns. Kevin Schooler wrote: “What floors me is that for the most part, it isn’t American Indians who are offended. It is guilt-ridden white liberals being offended on their behalf. How’s that for paternalism?”

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It is guilt-ridden white liberals being offended on their behalf. How’s that for paternalism?”..That sums it very well.
1 posted on 06/27/2014 6:32:50 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09
You name after people you admire and respect.

Evidently Lefties don't admire or respect Apaches and Chinooks.

2 posted on 06/27/2014 6:34:26 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: moonshinner_09

I really thought this was semi-news satire. Damn.


3 posted on 06/27/2014 6:34:31 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: moonshinner_09

Maybe Daniel Schnyder should start using an Apache when he flies out to see his football team lose.


4 posted on 06/27/2014 6:35:31 PM PDT by CharleysPride (A accipitris volatu supra quinque vexillis)
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To: moonshinner_09

So where does this leave the Apache web server? Bill Gates is probably behind this...


5 posted on 06/27/2014 6:39:37 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Most likely their great great grandfathers killed them.


6 posted on 06/27/2014 6:44:37 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: moonshinner_09

At this point, lets do it. Lets erase all reference to minorities/their culture from America. And as each refrence is removed from the public lexicon, make an official speech saying that because liberals were offended, the minority previously being honored can take their eradication from the public square up with the folks responsible for making them meaningless. For making them non persons unworthy of honor or recognition.


7 posted on 06/27/2014 6:44:52 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: moonshinner_09

I’d be willing to let them rename the Apache after me so the liberals aren’t being offended.

Then, they can use the new AH-64 Bryan to reach out to liberals. You know, find them where they are and conduct outreach using the time-tested means that the old Apache helicopter was so well-known for but with the new, friendlier name since names are so important to them.

We can rename the Hellfire the Peace-Love-Tofu and send liberals some Peace-Love-Tofu wherever they congregate.

The chain gun can be renamed Fairness and they always want more Fairness, don’t they. Give em Fairness until they just can’t take any more!

Then we can rename the B-52 the Good Vibes and send some Good Vibes to the big liberal cities and colleges.

I’m sick of those people!


8 posted on 06/27/2014 6:45:46 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: moonshinner_09
I went thro this crap with some bubble headed college girl who tried to scold me for one of my Indian Motorcycle shirts. I tried to explain to her the the bikes were supposed to embody the fine qualities of their names. The Chief was powerful and dignified, Scout quick and agile etc. The stupid was just too strong with this one.
9 posted on 06/27/2014 6:46:04 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I always took it for granted that sports teams and military hardware were named after great indian tribes and leaders out of respect.

Why would someone name something they were very proud of after something they disrespected?! -—> THEY WOULDN’T!
only a fool would think otherwise.


10 posted on 06/27/2014 6:48:46 PM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: CrazyIvan

You just don’t know how to talk to liberals. Here allow me to give you one that always works..

“STFU”

Guaranteed to end the immediate conversation with a lib and make them go away complaining.


11 posted on 06/27/2014 6:49:51 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: moonshinner_09

Who is Simon Waxman?


12 posted on 06/27/2014 6:50:06 PM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: moonshinner_09

My ancestors belonged to a tribe. Our tribal name is hard to write, but it roughly translates out to “Rotten, Thieving, Whoring, Drunken Bast**ds”.

Yeah, give your helicopter that name.


13 posted on 06/27/2014 6:50:35 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: moonshinner_09
“Simon Waxman of the Boston Review wrote for the Post”

Simon Waxman, now there is an authentic Native American, or Indian, or whatever the politically correct term is.

The simple fact is no one is offended by these names. Liberal phonies just falsely say they are offended to advance some agenda.

14 posted on 06/27/2014 6:50:43 PM PDT by detective
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To: moonshinner_09

I wonder if George H.W. Bush is offended that the Navy named an Aircraft Carrier after him? Dr. Savage is right, Liberalism IS a Mental Disorder.


15 posted on 06/27/2014 6:52:25 PM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Let’s start with Black history Month since we’ve been told calling someone black is offensive.


16 posted on 06/27/2014 6:52:38 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: All

I always the uss George h w bush was too waspy.


17 posted on 06/27/2014 6:53:38 PM PDT by willywill
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To: Norm Lenhart

LOL! I always think of Mark Twain: “Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.”


18 posted on 06/27/2014 6:53:53 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I guess they forgot about the [racist] Jeep Cherokee too. [/s]


19 posted on 06/27/2014 6:54:55 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: moonshinner_09

I guess Chrysler will have to change the name of the Jeep Cherokee and Grand Cherokee.


20 posted on 06/27/2014 6:55:19 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I suggest a couple of new names:

Raging Queen

Vicious Beeeatch

I’m sure these names would be passable.

Too bad the A-10 is going to be retired. The term ‘Hog Driver’ would be celebrated.


21 posted on 06/27/2014 6:55:32 PM PDT by CTyank
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To: Bobalu
Bottom line is that the Left wants to drive plain white-bread American culture to extinction. Everything they do has that as its ultimate goal.
22 posted on 06/27/2014 6:57:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: proxy_user
The Apache webserver name derives from the early days when it required daily patches... ergo it was a patchy server.
23 posted on 06/27/2014 7:00:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: CrazyIvan

All kidding aside, I do not understand why people ALLOW liberals to spout crap like in this article. Politeness?

We are talking about people that think killing babies is a holy sacrament. People that think the right of a man to pack another man’s fudge trumps the right of another man to bake a cake or pray. People that want soldiers to stand and be shot at so as not to offend the shooter and think your personal income belongs to the local crackhead.

As soon as we give them the same respect they earn, life gets better. And yes actually I do deal with liberals in real life that way. Which is why I don’t get out much. ;)


24 posted on 06/27/2014 7:03:18 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: moonshinner_09
Let's all make up new names for military weapons, such as:

Powderpuff, teddybear, Tinkerbell, Boo Boo, & binkie.

Obama: If attacked, we will rain down on the enemy hundreds of Tinkerbells, Boo Boos & binkies.

Special forces can be called smurfs.

Attack helos can be called Mr. Rogers Neighborhood Conflict Calmers.

25 posted on 06/27/2014 7:19:05 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

> You just don’t know how to talk to liberals. Here allow me to give you one that always works..

“STFU”

Guaranteed to end the immediate conversation with a lib and make them go away complaining.

Why are we even considering this stupidity when there are much more important things to take care of? So stop giving a damn what liberals think. Just grab their underwear, yank it, and give them a wedgie. Embrace the bully inside and tell them to grow some balls and grow up to be real men, not those effiminate butt pirates...: )


26 posted on 06/27/2014 7:21:36 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

Exactly ;)


27 posted on 06/27/2014 7:23:35 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: blueunicorn6

I think I flew in that one in Nam.


28 posted on 06/27/2014 7:25:02 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: moonshinner_09

Are whites ever going to tell them all to GFT?


29 posted on 06/27/2014 7:27:26 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I always thought Chinook meant a dry hot wind that melted snow in a heartbeat. Didn’t know it was a tribe.

In Vietnam when a CH-47 came to a hover over our firebase, it “dusted us off” with a dry hot wind you could hardly stand up in.

Anyway, this Indian names PC is pure garbage. Indian names of military assets celebrate the courage of the warrior and his ability to be “the finest light cavalry in the world”.

Eat the facts, you PC WaPo nerd.


30 posted on 06/27/2014 7:38:11 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: moonshinner_09

As a half-breed (Cherokee), I am not the least offended, and I know my deceased dad was not offended either. These white liberals want to find the weakest, most pathetic thing and name that after us?

This makes me so mad I can’t say anything else on this issue on this forum.


31 posted on 06/27/2014 7:41:34 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Bryanw92

Maybe they’d prefer the A-10 Fudgepacker and similar.


32 posted on 06/27/2014 7:56:50 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Norm Lenhart

I am deeply offended by the Ford Thunderbird.


33 posted on 06/27/2014 8:05:07 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: moonshinner_09

How about “Blueeyed Skydeath”. or “Whitey’s Skydeath”, or the “Anglo Arrow”?


34 posted on 06/27/2014 8:05:11 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Don’t forget the proper name designation for the Bell UH-1... what everyone calls a “Huey”, is really an Iroquois.


35 posted on 06/27/2014 8:18:07 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: moonshinner_09
what?...he left out the Iroquois
36 posted on 06/27/2014 8:18:58 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: Bryanw92

I am all for renaming the B-52s from Stratofortress to Rock Lobster.


37 posted on 06/27/2014 8:20:39 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Neidermeyer

Not nearly as offended as I am about San Francisco. It insults hispanics and forces christianity on people while offending christian hispanics with homosexuality.

Day by day it becomes clearer that Orwell was indeed a propher.


38 posted on 06/27/2014 8:22:52 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: CrazyIvan
...some bubble headed college girl who tried to scold me...

Why defend your position? Does it matter? Will anything good be a result? Frankly, that type of person doesn't deserve to be engaged in intellectual conversation. Engaging her in sexual congress is about the most you can hope for. Expect an STD, however.

39 posted on 06/27/2014 8:27:30 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: moonshinner_09; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; ...

Active Duty ping.


40 posted on 06/27/2014 8:30:34 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Therefore, so is North DAKOTA, and South DAKOTA, and OHIO, and Kansas and Arkansas, and probably 25% of city and town and state names in the entire nation.


41 posted on 06/27/2014 8:42:21 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: moonshinner_09

I truly don’t think I can take much more of this nonsense.

.


42 posted on 06/27/2014 8:50:28 PM PDT by Mears
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To: moonshinner_09

bkmk


43 posted on 06/27/2014 9:09:24 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Jet Jaguar
They may - repeat may - have a beef with the term "Peaux Rouges."

I'm at a loss to understand how the term "Apache" is in any way a term of disparagement. Also, other names, such as "War Eagles," "Marauders" and others not to my way of thinking "belonging" to or descriptive of the Red Man are under attack. Why are they so sensitive? Are they closet Muslims? Thou shalt not make any image of the Prophet Muhammad - or use any name associated with the indigenous peoples who occupied this continent before the arrival of those evil Europeans?

We name ships, flying machines and motorcycles, among other things, after people or concepts we respect. It is of some import, I think, that this PC censorship is cranking up exponentially under the administration of the guy who was supposed to be our first "post racial" president. Sadly for our Nation, he's just another race-baiter like Sharpton or Farrakhan.

More importantly, we as Americans stand for Free Speech - speech that is circumscribed only under extremely limited circumstances. Our forefathers fought for and secured it to us and I will not countenance it being shouted away by a pack of slavering Bolsheviks!

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!





America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

44 posted on 06/27/2014 9:11:03 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in Battle!)
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To: sauropod

We need to go after Waxman first, because his name is offensive to car wax, floor wax, surfboard wax and candle wax, not to speak of bikini wax. Second the last part of his name is “man” which should immediately be offensive to any real man, girlie man, wo(man), he-man, hey man, man caves, man-nipulators, and on and on and on.

Why don’t we just turn this PC crap around and shove it back in the face of those that are pushing it? It has gotten so ludicrous, it’s hard no to laugh at how far these people stretch credibility to try and justify their prejudices.

My favorite response to the political correctness junkies, is that it doesn’t apply to me because I am not in politics. Go harass your own kind.


45 posted on 06/27/2014 9:16:45 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: CrazyIvan
I went thro this crap with some bubble headed college girl who tried to scold me for one of my Indian Motorcycle shirts.

I agree with Norm in post 11. Now that you tried to do the right thing, and use reason and logic, next time, just ask her if she knows where the sun don't shine?

46 posted on 06/27/2014 11:21:32 PM PDT by Mark17 (Rats and RINOs, who are destroying America, may an elephant caress you with his toes, or worse)
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To: moonshinner_09
I guess I was a sensitive delicate flower of a pilot, since they gave me the one aircraft with a non-"racist" name:


47 posted on 06/27/2014 11:39:06 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: CTyank
Too bad the A-10 is going to be retired. The term ‘Hog Driver’ would be celebrated.

It's not. It was saved.

48 posted on 06/28/2014 6:40:02 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: hattend; CTyank

Let me temper my last post with: it has a better chance of being saved, now. It’s future is more certain than it was.


49 posted on 06/28/2014 6:48:19 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Well then, let me be the first to welcome you into our tribe! Your official tribe name is “Mighty Warrior Of The Glistening Glade Who Flew In The Rusty Sky Bird And Who Runs Like The Deer And Has The Courage Of The Mountain Lion And The Wisdom Of The Muskrat” or “Bud”, for short.
As a tribal member, you’re entitled to a 25% discount on insurance from AARP (Association of American Rum Drinkers). Yeah, I don’t know how you come up with a “P” for “Drinkers”, either. They tell me it’s a tribal secret.
Our tribe has a long and glorious history. We know this because the prisons keep such good records. Our tribal headdress is three chicken feathers and an extra crispy drumstick. We used to wear loincloths, but we were in Chicago one time and the wind kept blowing up our loincloths and all the women in Chicago started following us around.
And so I close with our tribe’s traditional farewell.
“Who’s buying the next round?”


50 posted on 06/28/2014 6:56:12 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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