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Minnesota Carry Permit Murder Rates
Gun Watch ^ | 11 October, 2013 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 10/10/2013 7:29:26 AM PDT by marktwain


Minnesota is one of a few states that track crimes committed by Concealed Carry permit holders.  When the Minnesota law was passed, an annual report of crimes committed by permit holders was required.  The Minnesota permit is simply a permit to carry, the law does not discriminate between carrying concealed and carrying openly.  Reports for the law are available for 2003, and 2005-2012 in pdf files.  

The number of people with Minnesota permits that commit murder or manslaughter is remarkably low.  Only three instances are recorded in the Minnesota Carry Permit annual reports for the nine years reported.

From the reports, the numbers of valid permits for each year are as follows:

2003 - 15,677

2005 - 32,885

2006 - 42,189

2007 - 51,347

2008 - 56,919

2009 - 69,313

2010 - 79,180

2011 - 91,221

2012 - 114,793

Total for the years listed - 553,524

Rate of carry permit holders committing murder and manslaughter/100,000 per year, .542.

Rate of murder in the general population in Minnesota, per 100,000 averaged for the years 2003, 2005 - 2012, is 1.78.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; carry; ccw; dodgecity; guncontrol; minnesota; mn; murder; secondamendment
People with concealed carry permits are far more law abiding than the general population.
1 posted on 10/10/2013 7:29:26 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

WHAT!!!!!! How is that even possible. When they finally passed the CCW laws in FL back in ‘87(?) to cover the whole state with the same requirements, why, the streets ran red with blood and it was like the wild wild west. Chirrens was killed by the hundreds and it wasn’t safe to leave your house. Oh, wait, That’s what DIDN’T happen. Sorry mayor bloomie.


2 posted on 10/10/2013 7:34:32 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: marktwain

People who obtain concealed permits do so to use the legal system to lawfully protect themselves from criminals and violent people.

They are not the kind of people who commit crimes, they are people who are concerned about crimes being committed against them.


3 posted on 10/10/2013 7:34:36 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: marktwain

I’m willing to bet they also do better than the people who issue the permits.


4 posted on 10/10/2013 7:35:55 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: marktwain
So people with concealed weapons permits are 300% LESS LIKLEY to commit murder than a people who do not have concealed weapons permits
5 posted on 10/10/2013 7:36:44 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn

Yep. I’ve shot no one in over ten years of carrying permitted.

I’m a lot more patient behind the wheel, too!


6 posted on 10/10/2013 7:38:59 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!!!)
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To: marktwain
Minnesota is one of a few states that track crimes committed by Concealed Carry permit holders

Florida was the first to do this, if I remember correctly. It was part of the deal to be the first in the country for CCW.

It cost the state something like 4 million a year to track and they found roughly 0.00001 broke any law. They stopped tracking after a few years. Perhaps some Florida FReeps can add to this.

7 posted on 10/10/2013 7:39:19 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I have had a ccw permit for over 30 years and I still have not used it!!


8 posted on 10/10/2013 8:24:58 AM PDT by southland ( I have faith in the creator)
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To: southland

Imagine that!


9 posted on 10/10/2013 8:37:28 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!!!)
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To: Vigilanteman

I have not read of any MN permit carriers shooting anyone’s dog.


10 posted on 10/10/2013 8:42:25 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: marktwain
"Minnesota is one of a few states that track crimes committed by Concealed Carry permit holders. When the Minnesota law was passed, an annual report of crimes committed by permit holders was required. The Minnesota permit is simply a permit to carry, the law does not discriminate between carrying concealed and carrying openly."

This is one of the last hurrahs of Minnesota state 'Rats to stop concealed carry. "I know! Since we can't make guns illegal in Minnesota, we'll just force the state to track crimes of those who own firearms! Surely the data will allow us to persuade the masses!"

Sorry, Bolsheviks. Take your toys and go home. If you are a Minnesotan, you have a moral obligation to vote these SCUM out.
11 posted on 10/10/2013 8:49:30 AM PDT by MN.Gruber06 (A besieged constituent in the beautiful Star of the North. Vote OUT Franken, Klobuchar and Dayton.)
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To: marktwain

Bump


12 posted on 10/10/2013 9:14:18 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: marktwain

There is a statistical bit that really needs to be cleaned up in the future. Does murder/manslaughter in this case mean criminal convictions for same?

The problem begins with the Medical Examiner, who at the Coroner’s Inquest reaches an official determination as to the cause of death. HHS issues a Handbook on Medical Certification of Death (a very informative .pdf file, which should be archived.)

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/misc/hb_cod.pdf

What matters, from the statistical point of view, as far as we are concerned, is the declaration of “homicide”, which only effectively means that a person was “caused to die”, either by their own, or someone else’s actions.

Only very limited statistics can be compiled from this, because it does not assign fault, if that fault, or a part of it, was criminal or civil, with the possibility of criminal or civil liability.

Next up, a prosecutor decides that a culpable murder or manslaughter was committed. But no statistic comes from this. He then forwards an indictment to a grand jury. And all they can do is determine if their is enough evidence to approve an indictment.

The trial phase again presents statistical problems, because of plea bargain, which may or may not include an admission of guilt or no contest, and the various findings by a trial jury of guilty, not guilty, innocent, not guilty by reason of insanity, and guilty but insane.

The bottom line is that there could be a dozen homicides, but only two legal findings of criminal guilt, and thus murder or manslaughter.


13 posted on 10/10/2013 9:32:02 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: marktwain

So the MN gummint insisted on tracking legal gun carriers, hoping to be able to point at the stats and crow about the “wild-west,” only to have the numbers show an incredibly low rate?

What a surprise! Actually, it does show that a certain “wild-west” aspect was fostered by the gun law: Violent crime in the “wild-west” was remarkably low. Dodge City was a safe place. Who wanted to risk being shot?


14 posted on 10/10/2013 9:37:49 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The Minnesota statistics are not for all homicides. The Minnesota annual report specifies that it is for murder and manslaughter.


15 posted on 10/10/2013 9:40:05 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

This is something people who don’t carry misunderstand about those who do: We see a responsibility to stay out of stupid situations that may require us to use a weapon because the stakes are higher. It’s a bit of a paradox.


16 posted on 10/10/2013 9:43:02 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: southland
I have had a ccw permit for over 30 years and I still have not used it!!

Well then, you obviously don't need it.

Please turn it in. If you ever do really need it, you can re-apply, wait ninety days, ... then maybe you can deal with the threat.

17 posted on 10/10/2013 9:48:24 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: marktwain

The MSM will not be happy this story got out!


18 posted on 10/10/2013 1:46:59 PM PDT by opres
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