Skip to comments.Minnesota Carry Permit Murder Rates
Posted on 10/10/2013 7:29:26 AM PDT by marktwain
Minnesota is one of a few states that track crimes committed by Concealed Carry permit holders. When the Minnesota law was passed, an annual report of crimes committed by permit holders was required. The Minnesota permit is simply a permit to carry, the law does not discriminate between carrying concealed and carrying openly. Reports for the law are available for 2003, and 2005-2012 in pdf files.
The number of people with Minnesota permits that commit murder or manslaughter is remarkably low. Only three instances are recorded in the Minnesota Carry Permit annual reports for the nine years reported.
From the reports, the numbers of valid permits for each year are as follows:
2003 - 15,677
2005 - 32,885
2006 - 42,189
2007 - 51,347
2008 - 56,919
2009 - 69,313
2010 - 79,180
2011 - 91,221
2012 - 114,793
Total for the years listed - 553,524
Rate of carry permit holders committing murder and manslaughter/100,000 per year, .542.
Rate of murder in the general population in Minnesota, per 100,000 averaged for the years 2003, 2005 - 2012, is 1.78.
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WHAT!!!!!! How is that even possible. When they finally passed the CCW laws in FL back in ‘87(?) to cover the whole state with the same requirements, why, the streets ran red with blood and it was like the wild wild west. Chirrens was killed by the hundreds and it wasn’t safe to leave your house. Oh, wait, That’s what DIDN’T happen. Sorry mayor bloomie.
People who obtain concealed permits do so to use the legal system to lawfully protect themselves from criminals and violent people.
They are not the kind of people who commit crimes, they are people who are concerned about crimes being committed against them.
I’m willing to bet they also do better than the people who issue the permits.
Yep. I’ve shot no one in over ten years of carrying permitted.
I’m a lot more patient behind the wheel, too!
Florida was the first to do this, if I remember correctly. It was part of the deal to be the first in the country for CCW.
It cost the state something like 4 million a year to track and they found roughly 0.00001 broke any law. They stopped tracking after a few years. Perhaps some Florida FReeps can add to this.
I have had a ccw permit for over 30 years and I still have not used it!!
I have not read of any MN permit carriers shooting anyone’s dog.
There is a statistical bit that really needs to be cleaned up in the future. Does murder/manslaughter in this case mean criminal convictions for same?
The problem begins with the Medical Examiner, who at the Coroner’s Inquest reaches an official determination as to the cause of death. HHS issues a Handbook on Medical Certification of Death (a very informative .pdf file, which should be archived.)
What matters, from the statistical point of view, as far as we are concerned, is the declaration of “homicide”, which only effectively means that a person was “caused to die”, either by their own, or someone else’s actions.
Only very limited statistics can be compiled from this, because it does not assign fault, if that fault, or a part of it, was criminal or civil, with the possibility of criminal or civil liability.
Next up, a prosecutor decides that a culpable murder or manslaughter was committed. But no statistic comes from this. He then forwards an indictment to a grand jury. And all they can do is determine if their is enough evidence to approve an indictment.
The trial phase again presents statistical problems, because of plea bargain, which may or may not include an admission of guilt or no contest, and the various findings by a trial jury of guilty, not guilty, innocent, not guilty by reason of insanity, and guilty but insane.
The bottom line is that there could be a dozen homicides, but only two legal findings of criminal guilt, and thus murder or manslaughter.
So the MN gummint insisted on tracking legal gun carriers, hoping to be able to point at the stats and crow about the “wild-west,” only to have the numbers show an incredibly low rate?
What a surprise! Actually, it does show that a certain “wild-west” aspect was fostered by the gun law: Violent crime in the “wild-west” was remarkably low. Dodge City was a safe place. Who wanted to risk being shot?
The Minnesota statistics are not for all homicides. The Minnesota annual report specifies that it is for murder and manslaughter.
This is something people who don’t carry misunderstand about those who do: We see a responsibility to stay out of stupid situations that may require us to use a weapon because the stakes are higher. It’s a bit of a paradox.
Well then, you obviously don't need it.
Please turn it in. If you ever do really need it, you can re-apply, wait ninety days, ... then maybe you can deal with the threat.
The MSM will not be happy this story got out!
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