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Chicago top cop warns that his officers will shoot concealed carriers
BearingArms.com ^ | 9/3/2013 | BearingArms.com Staff

Posted on 09/04/2013 8:32:17 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama

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To: 2nd amendment mama
A university police chief here in Texas made almost exactly that same claim shortly after the CHL law was passed in Texas.

I write a letter to the university president and copied the police chief's office, pointing out that Texas law expressly prohibited what he suggested, and that by making such a proclamation, they had opened themselves to a lawsuit if one of their officers ever shot someone.

Think about it: he is simply claiming that someone holding a gun will be shot. Now, anyone that is shot can ask: was I really a threat? Or did you just think you saw a gun and opened fire? If I had a gun, did I threaten you or anyone else, or did you just presume that I was doing so?

I got a half-hearted apology from the university president, but they didn't make a public retraction.

21 posted on 09/04/2013 8:43:55 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I would think the Chicago police chief would have enough problems without threatening to shoot law-abiding gun owners on sight. How about shooting the criminals, idiot?


22 posted on 09/04/2013 8:46:03 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: 2nd amendment mama

So, he WANTS a lot of dead cops?


23 posted on 09/04/2013 8:46:24 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: MeganC

That doesn’t surprise me. I’ve had to use a firearm for self-defense twice in my life and only fired a shot in one of those cases. Brandishing usually gets the job done, but cops never brandish. They pull and fire, even LTL arms like tasers.


24 posted on 09/04/2013 8:47:41 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: nascarnation

“As lame as many things are in Illinois, the roads are pretty darn good...”

Nope. Still not a good enough reason to risk the lives of my family by visiting a state that makes Beirut look safe by comparison.


25 posted on 09/04/2013 8:48:07 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Doesn’t this also mean that if they run across an undercover policeman with his firearm unholstered they’ll be expected to shoot them on sight without giving them an opportunity to identify themselves?


26 posted on 09/04/2013 8:48:44 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.

So basically he's admitting that Chicago cops are a particularly vicious and stupid breed who can't be trusted with their own weapons. After all, there doesn't appear to be an epidemic of it happening anywhere else in the country not even in Detroit which is probably the most heavily armed city in the country.

Maybe the solution is to take the guns away from Chicago cops and give them a billy club and a whistle so they won't kill innocent people.
27 posted on 09/04/2013 8:51:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Hey McCarthy it doesn’t take much if a brain to know how to load a gun, aim, and pull a trigger. Stop putting cops on pedestals in that regard. I say that from the standpoint of being a former LEO. Guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens is a deterrent and keeps their workload down. Occassionally you have a nutcase that misuses them but, by and far, they are usually liberal nutjobs.


28 posted on 09/04/2013 8:52:43 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: 2nd amendment mama
So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire

I understand the anger at the demonstrably incorrect assumption that more licensed carriers mean more shootings.

But the fact is that if you turn towards a cop with a gun in your hand, you are going to get shot, and the cop will not be charged. I imagine that's just as true in Texas as it is in Chicago.

29 posted on 09/04/2013 8:52:56 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
First the guy is just seeking air time by making such an outrageous statement.

However, I both slightly agree and almost totally disagree with him. I have a cpl. I have familiarized myself with the laws of my state regarding the legal use of deadly force and the laws associated with concealed carry and firearms use. I have also studied and lived a lot of safety training. I belong to a gun range and practice.

In my opinion, there are a lot of people out there who have absolutely no concept of the legal use of deadly force. The Martin/Zimmerman story and the statements made about it by talking heads are a good example of the general ignorance. If such a person who doesn't understand the legal use of deadly force is allowed concealed carry in public, then there could be a problem. However, it is probably a very minor problem that the existing laws can deal with and once better understood by the public, will correct itself.

Having said that, the right to keep and bear arms is a right that is a God given right confirmed in our Constitution.

Even if people don't know all the ins and outs on the use of deadly force, they still have a right to protect themselves, even if it entails potentially ending up going to jail for improper use of deadly force.

There are far too many stories of people shooting at fleeing burglars (who have run out of the house and thrown down any weapons), who do not represent any immediate danger to the shooter.

For a concealed carry license, I have no problems with a state either handing out a pamphlet on the firearms laws of the state, or requiring a simple multiple answer test on the firearms laws of the state. I would prefer the former.

However, for those that want a firearm in their home, office, the woods, or their property I think that open carry with no license and no testing, should a mandatory recognition of our second amendment rights.

Just my opinion, along with the Chicago cop being a political jerk and publicity hound.

30 posted on 09/04/2013 8:54:13 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: MeganC

I’m a risk taker. Last month I visited the apartment building in Cleveland where my parents lived when I was born, and the church they attended.

One of the toughest parts of town.

Call it the “urban adventure tour” LOL.


31 posted on 09/04/2013 8:55:25 AM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
You got to be a highly trained professional...

Cop Shoots Self in Foot - Youtube

P.S. What is the FR code to embed a video? Anyone?

32 posted on 09/04/2013 8:56:26 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
“I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.”

This incompetent delusional "chief" needs to be replaced immediately if not sooner. He is not qualified to lead, making statements like that.

In that one paragraph he is flat out saying that his cops are not trained any better than "people who are not highly trained."

All of us with an IQ of over 50 and some knowledge of the topic know that cops must never wait until they are "shot" to fire back. BUT THEY BETTER HAVE A GUN AIMED AT THEM BEFORE SHOOTING SOMEONE.

Even "not highly trained" licensed to carry owners know that! And if they forget, that is the risk they have assumed, if they're stupid.

But certainly, cops should know better, and if not, should be getting a different job that they are better qualified for, including the "chief!".

33 posted on 09/04/2013 9:01:14 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.” -- Ayn Rand

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34 posted on 09/04/2013 9:01:32 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: 2nd amendment mama

This guys in the running now for a cabinet post.


35 posted on 09/04/2013 9:01:53 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: MeganC
In Michigan we have less cops, less crime, and more guns.

Fewer cops, less crime: MLive investigation finds Michigan safer even as police numbers decline

Last month, 405,408 adults could lawfully carry concealed handguns. That’s up from 53,000 after the first year of Michigan’s shall-issue law. That means one in 17 adults 21 or older is licensed to carry. Countless more people have guns for sport and protection in their homes.
36 posted on 09/04/2013 9:01:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

highly trained huh? Like the highly trained officers that shot up two pickup trucks during the Dorner manhunt?


37 posted on 09/04/2013 9:03:22 AM PDT by crusadersoldier
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To: 2nd amendment mama
Chicago top cop warns that his officers will shoot concealed carriers

Isn't it hard to conceal a carrier? They usually have 5,000+ sailors on board.

And shooting a carrier is damaging Federal property. Odinga will be awful upset...

38 posted on 09/04/2013 9:04:09 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I know plenty of civilians that can out shoot the useless donut sucking shitcago cops.


39 posted on 09/04/2013 9:04:18 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Orangedog

looks like we’re all still waiting.............


40 posted on 09/04/2013 9:04:35 AM PDT by coonass
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