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So are blacks discriminated against when relying on Stand Your Ground laws?
johnrlott.blogspot.com ^ | 19 July, 2013 | John Lott

Posted on 07/21/2013 7:32:49 AM PDT by marktwain

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There are pictures at the site. This is a different view of the Marissa Alexander case. Alexander was sentenced to 20 years because of a gun law, not the SYG law.
1 posted on 07/21/2013 7:32:49 AM PDT by marktwain
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Totally different from the accounts that I have read as well.


2 posted on 07/21/2013 7:46:54 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (")
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warning shots are almost always illegal. Florida's no exceptions use a gun in a crime (any crime) and get a minimum of 30 years is the bad law that needs to be changed not Stand Your Ground gun laws.

What is really desired by those protesting is a “don't shoot blacks, no matter what” law.

3 posted on 07/21/2013 7:49:36 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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In 1926 Detroit, Doctor Ossian Sweet stood his ground against a white mob trying to force the black doctor out of "their" white neighborhood.

1 man died and Sweet was acquitted of murder. It was less than a month before the first gun control bill showed up in the Michigan state legislature. It resulted in a law creating the first "gun boards" and registration in the state.

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4 posted on 07/21/2013 7:50:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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She sure married a POS. What Effing prosecutor makes a case of this? Oh wait...it’s Florida.


5 posted on 07/21/2013 7:56:45 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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Trying to reason with racebaiter reverends is like trying to negotiate with a rabid wolf, it goes nowhere, and they’re not going to listen anyway.

As long as rioting and racecard rules prevail, and work for them, they’ll keep using them.

The states with SYG laws need to stand THEIR ground and refuse to eradicate these laws because of community organizers are pitching tantrums.

Cowardly politicians issuing piecemeal concessions are blind to the incrementalism that is destroying our nation.

The states need to tell the reverends Jackson, Sharpton, Holder, and Obama to F-off, and leave the laws in place. There’s a reason the majority of states have these laws, and the right to self defense is as old as mankind, and the animal kingdom. It’s natural, it’s instinctive, and it’s right.

Trying to neuter our right to self defense in lieu of succeeding to disarm us is what despots and dictators do, not Americans.

I don’t imagine there is a person in America that wishes Zimmerman had not got out of that care more than Zimmerman himself. The events that followed happened, and we all know the results. He was railroaded by political pressure into a trial that should not have been, and STILL found not guilty based on the facts.

But the piglets of the left want to wallow in their bitterness as long as they can in an effort to reverse the verdict to their liking, not to get back at Zimmerman as much as winning the battle of division and strife.


6 posted on 07/21/2013 8:12:14 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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Sounds like the rallies should be for justice for Mariisa Alexander, not Trayvon Martin.


7 posted on 07/21/2013 8:17:39 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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She went to the home of a person against which she had a restraining order, and he arrived to his home to find her there. During the confrontation she left the house to go get a gun, and came back in. "Stand your ground?" Sounds more like "home invasion."

When she fired the shot, his hands were supposedly up and the gun was supposedly pointed right at him. Use of deadly force - which is what a warning shot is - requires reasonable fear of imminent great bodily harm or death, which someone with their hands up does not present.

She didn't "stand her ground," she either assaulted him or attempted to murder him.


8 posted on 07/21/2013 8:24:18 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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Appropriate use of overly attached girlfriend sir! I love it.


9 posted on 07/21/2013 8:27:10 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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I question her story. In other articles, they said that despite the restraining order, which works both ways, she went to her husbands house.

He claims that he was holding one of his children (by a previous marriage) by his side when she pointed the gun at them, not the ceiling. He also claimed that his deposition was false, at the request of his wife, who said that if he lied she would not go to prison.

She also rejected a deal that would have reduced her sentence by 17 years. He expressed remorse that she would now be separated from their children for 20 years, and said he wished she had taken the deal.


10 posted on 07/21/2013 8:28:11 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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The facts as presented here are confusing. Lott says she had a restraining order against him, you say there was a restraining order against her. Does a restraining order always imply mutuality, as a matter of common sense?

Also, its not clear where and how she got the gun - did she leave the husband's premises, get the gun from somewhere else, and come back? Anyway, 20 years seems pretty stiff given the background of the case and the husband's testimony.
11 posted on 07/21/2013 8:31:18 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

This case gets murkier by the moment.


12 posted on 07/21/2013 8:32:50 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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13 posted on 07/21/2013 8:34:02 AM PDT by EEGator
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I hate you. ;-p


14 posted on 07/21/2013 8:35:36 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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LOL, I felt I had no choice. :)


15 posted on 07/21/2013 8:36:37 AM PDT by EEGator
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I'll see your Jessie and Franken and up you Bachmann vs rubio ;-p
16 posted on 07/21/2013 8:49:17 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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She has migraines and is crazy. /s

You should have used Alan Grayson.


17 posted on 07/21/2013 8:51:42 AM PDT by EEGator
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"She has migraines and is crazy. /s You should have used Alan Grayson."

Oh God... I forgot about that goon.

18 posted on 07/21/2013 8:57:20 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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The Tampa Bay Times found that defendants claiming “stand your ground” are more successful if the victim is black. Seventy-three percent of those who killed a black person faced no penalty. Only 59 percent of those who killed a white person got off. <<

Self defense as an affirmative defense to homicide is one of those misunderstood legal terms. It literally means the defendant is claiming to be the victim of a crime. The deceased is never charged...LOL...if the claim is successful, that is where the law should go next. The victim in successfully argued SYG cases is still alive.

I like the idea of it’s either Stand Your Ground or Retreat From Evil...which law would be backed?

DK


19 posted on 07/21/2013 10:00:52 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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Good post and I concur.


20 posted on 07/21/2013 10:21:02 AM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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