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The Abortion Rape Exception: Look Her In The Eye
ClashDaily.com ^ | July 2, 2013 | Mike Adams

Posted on 07/03/2013 5:00:35 AM PDT by Kaslin

Author’s Note: The following column is based on a real life conversation.

Teenager: Dr. Adams, may I have a few minutes to speak with you?

Me: Sure. What is your name? (Gives name).

Teen: I enjoyed listening to your talk on abortion just a few minutes ago. Your points were solid. But I have just one problem. It’s with the rape exception. Can you honestly tell me that you could look a rape victim in the eye and tell her that she could not have an abortion – that she must take the rapist’s baby to term?

Me: (pulls out phone). Yes. Give me the number of any pregnant rape victim you know and I will call her right now and talk to her. I can’t look her in the eye but I will talk to her.

Teen: (Laughing nervously). I don’t know any pregnant rape victims.

Me: Well, before I put my phone up, can I ask a favor of you?

Teen: Sure.

Me: I have a friend who was conceived in rape. Do you mind if I call her and give you the phone so you could explain why it would be permissible for her be killed just because she was conceived in rape? Her mother is still alive, by the way. I’m sure that her continued existence reminds her mother of the rape. My friend’s name is Laura.

Teen: No, I won’t do that. She shouldn’t be killed, now. That isn’t my position.

Me: Oh, I see. You think that there is some difference between the adult she is now and the embryo she once was that would have justified killing her at that earlier stage of development.

Teen: I see what you are doing. This is the SLED thing, isn’t it?

Me: Yes it is. Size, level of development, environment (whether she is inside or outside of the womb), and degree of dependency. These are the four differences people generally rely upon when they say you can kill the unborn but not the born. Which one is it?

Teen: Well, none of them, I guess. I see your point.

Me: Good. Now, let’s talk about who benefits when the child conceived in rape is aborted.

Teen: Ok.

Me: Would I, or any of the close friends of Laura, have benefited from her death at the hands of the hands of the abortion doctor? I mean, would it not have been a tragedy had her friends never known her?

Teen: Well, yes, I suppose it would have been a tragedy.

Me: Well, how about Laura? Would she have benefited from the abortion?

Teen: No, of course not.

Me: Ok, then who benefits?

Teen: Well, the rape victim benefits. Obviously.

Me: But is it really obvious?

Teen: I think it is.

Me: You know, if a woman becomes pregnant through consensual sex and has a crisis pregnancy it is a toss up as to whether she will have the abortion. But if she’s raped and becomes pregnant then the chances she’ll abort are much lower.

Teen: How much lower?

Me: The odds are about three to one that she won’t abort. It may seem counterintuitive but it really isn’t difficult to understand upon further consideration. She’s just been the victim of a violent crime. She identifies with the evil of violence and is reluctant to inflict it on another human being. So she usually decides to suffer evil rather than inflict it.

Teen: I’ll have to think about that one.

Me: Good. It will give me time to ask you another question.

Teen: Okay.

Me: You believe that the woman impregnated by a rapist will suffer great stress bringing the baby to term. You obviously believe that the abortion will reduce that stress. But your argument turns on the assertion that the stress saved by the abortion will actually outweigh any guilt she might experience over the memory of the abortion for the duration of her life. Is that a fair characterization of your reasoning?

Teen: Yes, that’s fair enough.

Me: Well, how did you arrive at that conclusion? Can you point me to some evidence?

Teen: No, I was just speculating.

Me: Well, you haven’t convinced me that the pregnant woman really benefits. The abortion doesn’t solve the problem. She suffers terribly regardless. But when those conceived in rape are aborted there are multiple tragedies. One human is deprived of life, one adoptive couple loses a child, and others are deprived of ever knowing the innocent child who would have had a long life and formed many friendships. I think that the weight of the evidence is against the abortion. I just cannot see who really benefits from the abortion.

Teen: Well maybe I just have some maturing to do as I think about this issue.

Me: I’m not sure it’s really a thinking problem.

Teen: What do you mean?

Me: You have a steady girlfriend, don’t you?

Teen: Yes, I do.

Me: Are you sleeping with her?

Teen: What? I’m not answering that question.

Me: Well, you don’t have to answer it. You just did. You’re sleeping with her.

Teen: Ok … what does that have to do with the discussion?

Me: Well, everything.

Teen: Please explain.

Me: Every time I am in a discussion of abortion that turns to the so called rape exception, there are two common denominators. First, it is always a guy. Second, he’s always sexually active. If he is sleeping with a lot of women he really supports unrestricted abortion. So he just feigns concern for the rape victim in order to preserve unrestricted abortion so he can have unrestricted sex. Then there are guys like you who are just sleeping with a girlfriend and want to preserve a tiny crack in the wall — a safety valve just in case you get into trouble. The idea of an absolute ban on abortion makes you nervous because you are taking risks you know you ought not to be taking.

Teen: I guess everything you are saying makes sense. Maybe I just need to grow up.

Me: No, not really. You pulled me aside and started this conversation because your conscience was bothering you. You weren’t really worried about the rape issue. You were worried about your own circumstances. That’s why it took courage to initiate the conversation. You knew I wasn’t going say things you wanted to hear. You were mature at the beginning of this conversation and you are even more mature now.

Teen: Thanks.

Me: Now it is time to stop treating you girlfriend like she’s already your wife. It will clear your mind and help you make better decisions on a whole range of moral issues. Remember that it is always better to decide what you believe and let your beliefs guide your behavior. When it’s the other way around, you become lost and you eventually lose your moral compass altogether. You eventually become a law unto yourself.

Teen: Well, how do I explain this to my girlfriend?

Me: Well, that should be easy. Tell her you are not yet ready to be a parent. Tell her that if she became pregnant it would be your child, too. Make sure you look her in the eye and firmly tell her that you could never allow her to abort your child. In other words, start living your life according to rules instead of clinging to exceptions.


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KEYWORDS: abortion; prolife
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1 posted on 07/03/2013 5:00:35 AM PDT by Kaslin
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2 posted on 07/03/2013 5:02:24 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Outstanding debate!


3 posted on 07/03/2013 5:15:03 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Kaslin

It’s too bad that most abortion supporters are unwilling to even try to understand that argument.


4 posted on 07/03/2013 5:18:35 AM PDT by twhitak
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To: Kaslin

There are certainly some flaws in his logic but his argument goes way beyond the superficiality of his ideological opponents. I always enjoy Mike Adams’ columns.


5 posted on 07/03/2013 5:18:42 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Kaslin
I like Mike Adams' work. I believe in everything that he says in this article and the rationale that he uses.

However, politically speaking, this is a loser. You'll never get the chance to explain the whole logical rationale, in a rational fashion. The soundbites used by the MSM will literally kill you. In politics, just say no to discussing rape.

Also See: Clod Akin, Dick Mourdock ...

6 posted on 07/03/2013 5:24:41 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

The writer is forgetting one little detail though. That type of debate only works with persons that are reasonable, open-minded, moral, and have a conscience. Liberals would have none of it. If you tell them they cant do something then they will muster all their resources to do it (which can actually be useful at times)...


7 posted on 07/03/2013 5:26:36 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Kaslin
in a discussion of abortion that turns to the so called rape exception

If the issue of abortion is of keen interest I strongly recommend this presentation. and suggest your time will be well spent.

8 posted on 07/03/2013 5:30:09 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: Kaslin

The other unaddressed fact is that NOBODY has ever proposed a law that limits abortion to cases of rape and incest.

It is a red herring used to rationalize all abortions.


9 posted on 07/03/2013 5:30:34 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

It’s garbage actually. Murdering children in the womb is bad, but so is the OP argument for pro-life. Appealing to emotions is always the start of a poor and fallacious argument.


10 posted on 07/03/2013 5:37:19 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Kaslin

Somebody in the article’s comments section referenced Hitler, Pol Pot, etc., and I’ve had pro-infanticides throw that argument in my face also. “What if Hitler’s mother would have aborted him? The world would be a better place. There is a reason for abortion.” I usually comment that perhaps another mother somewhere else aborted a child that could have prevented any and all of Hitler’s evil. I usually go on to say that the person who could have invented the cure for cancer, AIDS (fecalfeliacs really hate this example), or even the common cold might have been aborted by their mothers.


11 posted on 07/03/2013 5:37:55 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Kaslin

There should be no exceptions, the baby did nothing wrong, why should little him or her be the one to die? Kill the rapist if you need to kill anyone, for the baby did nothing wrong.


12 posted on 07/03/2013 5:38:28 AM PDT by SilverMine (ever member of congress should be horse whipped)
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To: Kaslin

It is, and I’ve been in conversations that have almost gotten to the conclusion that he reaches, but the listener always shuts it down and doesn’t want to take finish the argument... which of course means they lost the argument, and know I was right.

I wish they would end like this.


13 posted on 07/03/2013 5:38:58 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (Tais deau sá taghdedaul!)
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To: jsanders2001
That type of debate only works with persons that are reasonable, open-minded, moral, and have a conscience

I believe this abortion discussion was with reasonable persons.

14 posted on 07/03/2013 5:42:10 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: G Larry

Indeed. One debating tactic I use with people who want to bring up all the exceptions in order to justify unrestricted abortions is to rhetorically allow their exceptions and then ask if they’d be willing to outlaw all other cases. The answer is always no.

Eventually, you’re down to forcing them to say that they really are in favor of unrestricted abortions for convenience and birth control - something they REALLY don’t like to admit.


15 posted on 07/03/2013 5:46:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin

A woman that gives birth to a baby produced by rape, has a VERY, VERY, VERY SPECIAL PLACE in HEAVEN.... imho.


16 posted on 07/03/2013 6:09:36 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Usagi_yo
It’s garbage actually. Murdering children in the womb is bad, but so is the OP argument for pro-life. Appealing to emotions is always the start of a poor and fallacious argument.

I don't think that's necessarily the case; many [most?] effective persuasive-style discussions hit all three of the appeals: Appeal to emotion, appeal to logic/rationality, and appeal to morals/ethics.

17 posted on 07/03/2013 6:15:48 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

With the availability of “Plan B”, the whole rape argument is a red-herring.


18 posted on 07/03/2013 6:18:20 AM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: Kaslin

Here is the truth that the “Every Sperm is Sacred” crowd just can not except, and yet makes the Pro-Life position a continual legislative loser: there isn’t going to be a national epiphany were abortion proponents are going to throw up their hands and declare “Praise Jesus! I see the error of my ways! We must ban all abortions!”. It’s. Never. Going. To. Happen.

Real positive change is going to come incrementally by building mass sentiment against the most universally revolting procedures. Go after the late term and work back. Go after the Gosnell’s and the like if you want to save lives.


19 posted on 07/03/2013 6:35:06 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s a good article that makes great points, as is usual from Adams. You could just keep it simple, though, and offer this unassailable argument everyone knows already:

“Two wrongs don’t make a right”


20 posted on 07/03/2013 6:38:55 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: G Larry

Yes, that’s the easiest way to circumvent the argument politically. Just say “Well, I don’t like to deal in hypotheticals. When someone proposes a law banning all abortions except for rape and incest, then I’ll gladly give you my opinion on that law.”


21 posted on 07/03/2013 6:40:54 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SilverMine

Re: There should be no exceptions, the baby did nothing wrong, why should little him or her be the one to die? Kill the rapist if you need to kill anyone, for the baby did nothing wrong.

Agree. Is it ever just to punish the child of a rapist instead of the rapist? In the case of a child conceived by the criminal act of rape, why should the child receive the death penalty? He or she is an innocent victim.


22 posted on 07/03/2013 7:02:21 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Kaslin

Time to deconstruct the ravings of this author’s article premises.

Firstly, the ProfessorPerson is advocating motherhood without a committed, reliable two parent family to support the child to be.

Secondly, PerfessorPerson avoids the issue of who pays for the child. By advocating for single parent child raising, he either condemns the mother and child to a probable life of of everything or he expects to have Big Gubment AgencyPersons provide for the bastard and its mother from money earned by others who may not agree with his views.

AdacementedPerson clearly is unaware of an idea, central to a historic American thought once widely accepted by intellects far greater than his, that to force a man to support through the power of government that which he opposed was tyranny.

Folks loosely called “Founders” held that thought. Do the same for a moment, please.

Note that a chiuld who becomes a “welfare client” costs US TAXPAYERS umpteen hundred kilobucks - our money, not money provided by the anti-abortion faction or the academented faction.

Secondly, may I suggest rremembering the warning that factions carry the power to destroy the Republic?

Let the mother to be make the decision without any government intervention using money from the taxpayers.

Then, and only then, can the intrusive 800 pound AgencyApeman position be countered.

Until the anti-abortion groups realize they are arguing against their own money, taken from then by teh pro-abortion government, they are undertaking a fool’s errand.

Keep the government inside the carefully crafted bounds of the Constitution!


23 posted on 07/03/2013 7:16:19 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: GladesGuru

My apologies to all - my fickle fingers of fumble struch again.

“Secondly, PerfessorPerson avoids the issue of who pays for the child. By advocating for single parent child raising, he either condemns the mother and child to a probable life of of everything or he expects to have Big Gubment AgencyPersons provide”

should have had a ‘less’ inserted between ‘of of’ to read:

“Secondly, PerfessorPerson avoids the issue of who pays for the child. By advocating for single parent child raising, he either condemns the mother and child to a probable life of less of everything or he expects to have Big Gubment AgencyPersons provide ...”

Bad, BAD fingers!


24 posted on 07/03/2013 7:21:57 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: Kaslin

Wow, this was so valuable. I’m going to just memorize this. I do some volunteer work near an abortion mill at times, and I live in a very liberal area. These arguments are so simple and logical, they could be immensely helpful, especially with the mistaken “compassion” of the misguided young who haven’t thought things out.


25 posted on 07/03/2013 7:46:48 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: GladesGuru

Ummm...but aren’t our tax dollars being used to fund abortion now?


26 posted on 07/03/2013 7:53:41 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: GladesGuru

Mutterings about who pays money for what are a distraction and the province of lawyers.

A woman or a man should not be allowed to kill off a baby, for any reason, saving that such baby will kill the woman by complication if brought to term, and the woman so chooses.

Life is not about money or comfort. The blessings of life, and liberty, and all the other God given rights are inherent in man, irrespective, because all men are created equal.

Besides, unrestricted access to abortion has produced more, not less, single parent households.


27 posted on 07/03/2013 7:58:21 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: GladesGuru
Who mandates that a child conceived in rape has to be raised by the single, poor mother that you cite?

I guess you missed this part of ProfessorPersons dialogue:

Me: Well, you haven’t convinced me that the pregnant woman really benefits. The abortion doesn’t solve the problem. She suffers terribly regardless. But when those conceived in rape are aborted there are multiple tragedies. One human is deprived of life, one adoptive couple loses a child, and others are deprived of ever knowing the innocent child who would have had a long life and formed many friendships. I think that the weight of the evidence is against the abortion. I just cannot see who really benefits from the abortion.

28 posted on 07/03/2013 11:02:20 AM PDT by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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To: Kaslin

Excellent article.


29 posted on 07/03/2013 11:06:43 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: GladesGuru

It’s not your fingers that are “bad”.


30 posted on 07/03/2013 11:09:40 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Boogieman

Very well said


31 posted on 07/03/2013 11:18:18 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: maica

Excellent reply to the poster


32 posted on 07/03/2013 11:22:18 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: trisham

I guess he doesn’t like it that Dr Adams is very much pro life


33 posted on 07/03/2013 11:24:33 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: GladesGuru
Puke.

The ongoing American legalized slaughter of the unborn has long since eclipsed Hitler's slaughter of the untermenchen, Stalin's slaughter of the kulaks, and Mao's slaughter of "intellectuals".

You're aware of that, right?

34 posted on 07/03/2013 11:27:18 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kaslin

This is one of the best articles by Mike Adams that I have ever read. I feel like I am watching him talk to the young college student, very compassionately.

Thanks for posting his stuff every week.


35 posted on 07/03/2013 11:38:22 AM PDT by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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To: Kaslin

Evidently not, I’m sorry to say.


36 posted on 07/03/2013 12:01:58 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: OneWingedShark

For every argument by analogy, there is usually an equally compelling analogy from the other side. Analogous arguments get nowhere because both sides can sit there and make counter analogies all day long. Case in point, abortion in the case of rape is an analogy from the pro-murder-children-in-the-womb crowd.

Pro-life should be about the “willful disregard” for human life by using abortion as a method of birth control. “Culling” has its own set of arguments.

Start aborting babies because they have the so-called “gay gene” and let the hilarity from the left ensue.


37 posted on 07/03/2013 1:25:16 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo
Start aborting babies because they have the so-called “gay gene” and let the hilarity from the left ensue.

No, it would undermine any moral position you had as you become a willful murderer.

Pro-life should be about the “willful disregard” for human life by using abortion as a method of birth control. “Culling” has its own set of arguments.

And that itself has an emotional aspect. (I didn't advocate ONLY appeal to emotion. I said that most effective discussion [read: argument] has appeal to ethos, logos and pathos.)

For every argument by analogy, there is usually an equally compelling analogy from the other side. Analogous arguments get nowhere because both sides can sit there and make counter analogies all day long. Case in point, abortion in the case of rape is an analogy from the pro-murder-children-in-the-womb crowd.

I didn't give any argument by analogy. Moreover, only a fool would say that argument by analogy is useless.

38 posted on 07/03/2013 3:44:19 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: maica

If you have ever watched a woman carry and deliver a child, note the “deliver a child”, how an you want to force a woman to undergo that if she:
1. Does not want to carry and deliver the child she was forced to conceive.
2. Does not have a husband ready and willing to be a supportive and caring father for the child, not to mention a husband to her.


39 posted on 07/03/2013 3:51:48 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I am well aware of the toll of abortion being used as a substitute for birth control.

That was not what I was addressing.

Allowing government into the decision of whether or not a woman carries a child or not is a mistake.

Allowing government the power to tax those who are opposed to abortion in order to raise funds to pay for abortion is a tyranny which the Founders fought against and thought they had won. “A republic, if you can keep it”, said Franklin.

When Big Gubment is no longer allowed to tax all to support the Dr. Gosnell’s of America and their abortion mills, then America, teh Constitution, and many babies will be safer.

Some things are not to be managed by government. Leave abortion to the woman, AND STOP TAXING ME TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS _ YA LISTENING IN, AGENCYPERSONS?


40 posted on 07/03/2013 4:00:51 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: twhitak
I understand the argument, but I'm a realist. There are situations so traumatic that a pregnancy would be difficult. Then there's the practical side of me which says that to get the rape exception, a woman should have to report that rape within 48 hours. That way there's a really good chance the person commiting the rape will be caught.

It will also assure authorities that the claims of rape are valid.

41 posted on 07/03/2013 4:10:20 PM PDT by grania
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To: OneWingedShark
I didn't give any argument by analogy. Moreover, only a fool would say that argument by analogy is useless.

That's not a valid palindrome.

42 posted on 07/03/2013 4:21:20 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: GladesGuru

I worked in the field of Maternal and Infant Care for a half century. Get back to me when you can say the same.

Twenty of those years were in a NICU setting, where the size child that you seem to so casually want to discard are able to survive and bring joy to their parents.

There are couples in America who go all over the world to adopt children, while other Americans discard potential Steve Jobs every day.


43 posted on 07/03/2013 4:30:23 PM PDT by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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To: GladesGuru
Allowing government into the decision of whether or not a woman carries a child or not is a mistake.

I see. Do you support legalized abortion on demand, at any point in gestation, for any reason or for no reason at all, with no opportunity for the father to protect his child?

44 posted on 07/03/2013 4:34:14 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: maica

Thank you, for all you have done and for this post.


45 posted on 07/03/2013 4:34:45 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Usagi_yo
That's not a valid palindrome.

At least it's not a Palin-drone.

46 posted on 07/03/2013 4:46:26 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

What I said was keep government out of that issue. While that will cause some events you and I disagree with, letting government in the arena assures far worse events on a vastly larger scale.

What government subsidizes, government gets - abortion is a case in point. The Dr. Gosnells nad Planned Parenthood are largely government funded. Defund ‘em, NOW!

Turns out the Founders did understand the limits of government.

PS Judeo-Christian law was predicated upon the child being the property of the parent, not Big Gubment.

No law can eliminate evil, but Big Gubment usually produces more evil than it prevents when it is allowed out of its Constitution defined bounds.


47 posted on 07/03/2013 4:52:56 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: maica

“Twenty of those years were in a NICU setting, where the size child that you seem to so casually want to discard are able to survive and bring joy to their parents.”

“Seem”???

Things are not what you ‘seem’ to assume I said. I tried to make a case for not allowing government to tax all for the provision of abortions to those unwilling to pay for their own wants, like abortion.

Again, your beliefs (or mine, either) are not controlling of how another decides whether or not to carry and birth a baby.

Least of all should you or I be taxed to pay for abortions for a third party, especially when a mere AgencyPerson is in the decision making loop.


48 posted on 07/03/2013 5:05:25 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: GladesGuru
If you have ever watched a woman carry and deliver a child, note the “deliver a child”, how an you want to force a woman to undergo that if she:
1. Does not want to carry and deliver the child she was forced to conceive.
2. Does not have a husband ready and willing to be a supportive and caring father for the child, not to mention a husband to her.

I was addressing these words of yours, particularly the ones I have underlined, which do not mention who is footing the bill for an abortion.

49 posted on 07/03/2013 5:19:54 PM PDT by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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To: GladesGuru
I see.

You support legalized abortion on demand, at any point in gestation, for any reason or for no reason at all, with no opportunity for the father to protect his child.

That is repugnant, demonic, evil, and inconsistent with a free Republic.

50 posted on 07/03/2013 5:47:16 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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