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Conversion of a Gun Control Believer in Washington State
Gun Watch ^ | 4 May, 2013 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 05/03/2013 9:54:51 AM PDT by marktwain

It has been clear for decades that those who wish to restore Second Amendment rights have the facts on their side. Note this comment by NOFAN in Crosscut, an apparently left-leaning publication in Washington State. What is obvious is something that I have observed repeatedly: If an honest person looks at the facts about "gun control" they either become neutral or pro-Second Amendment.

A person cannot be anti-Second Amendment, informed, and honest, all at the same time, unless they become an honest totalitarian, which is self-defeating and therefore, inconsequential. Of course, as George Orwell noted, statists are particularly good at self deception. NOFAN has clearly become informed. Bold added for emphasis. From the Crosscut comments:

There isn't a single reason that gun control fails. There are several reasons. Most of them can be laid at the doorstep of Ceasefire and similar organizations.

1. Failure to recognize legal reality, i.e. the Heller decision that ruled that the second amendment to the U.S. constitution recognizes a fundamental individual right to keep and bear arms, and to use them for self-defense.

2. Failure to recognize the reality that there are hundreds of millions of guns in private hands. The gun control lobby's routine portrayals of gun owners as drooling psychotics and of hunters as backwoods rednecks aren't merely insulting, but are manifestly absurd and ridiculous to tens of millions of Americans, many of whom vote.

3. Gross misrepresentation of basic realities regarding guns, i.e., the common blurring of automatic and semi-automatic weapons. It's obvious, often laughably so, that groups like Ceasefire are so phobic about firearms that they haven't bothered to do even basic research. It's hard to trust, or defend, people who are willfully ignorant, and who actually parade their ignorance as some sort of virtue.

4. Refusal to discuss details of their proposals. For example, Ceasefire and other control groups want "expanded" and "universal" background checks, but they utterly refuse to discuss any of the details of those proposals, such as the standards for inclusion in a database of banned persons, or appeal procedures.

5. Rampant bad faith. In Washington State, gun control proponents have recently tried to eviscerate the right of armed self-defense by tearing the guts out of the definition of justifiable homicide, and proposed a measure that would have authorized warrantless searches of gun owners' homes.

I'm no fan of the National Rifle Association, particularly their appeals to far-right-wing paranoia. But the gun control lobby's conduct in the wake of the Connecticut massacre has been every last bit as shameful as the statements of Wayne LaPierre. Ceasefire wants to limit the exercise of a constitutional right. The burden of proof is on them to justify this expansion of government power, and thus far they have done the same sort of miserable job that characterizes other "progressive" actions in city and state government.

Ralph Fascitelli, until you face up to the inexcusable failures on the part of your lobby, you can talk to yourselves and your own allies until you're out of breath, but you will lose the argument. And you will deserve to. For decades I have been a strong proponent of gun control, but after Connecticut I look(sic) a close and unbiased look at the issue, and I now find myself in the completely unexpected position of having moved significantly away from the gun control camp.

The usual "progressives" will hoot over this, but look at the polls, and you will see that the gun control lobby has been losing ground in recent months. Instead of being self-righteous about how stupid the public is and how horrible the NRA is, maybe it's time to take a good, long, hard, and honest look at yourselves, Ralph.

Note how well NOFAN has nailed the tactics of those who push for citizen disarmament. NOFAN calls them failures, but they are features to those who push for disarmament. They are integral to the effort to eviscerate the Second Amendment.

To become completely enlightened on the subject, NOFAN need only take one, small, step: realize that what he describes as failures and reasons for failure are the meat, bone, and guts of the entire construct. Subtract those "failures" and they have nothing left.

Link: Comment near the bottom of the articles comments section.

©2013 by Dean Weingarten Permission to share granted as long as this notice is included.


TOPICS: Education; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment; shallnotbeifringed; shallnotbeinfringed; wa; youwillnotdisarmus
The problem is educating those who are not very interested in the subject. In a way, gun control pushes work for us as long as we win. If the push actually results in debate, people are educated and converted against citizen disarmament (gun control). I have seen this happen repeatedly. It is why the left insists on pushing there agenda without serious debate. They always lose the debate. This rachets over time, and we have seen the support for the Second Amendment increase over time as a result.
1 posted on 05/03/2013 9:54:51 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
This is causing quite a stir - making the gun control freaks heads explode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1nPSNnaBo

only 2 minutes - pass it on after viewing. it is going viral ...

2 posted on 05/03/2013 9:55:49 AM PDT by bankwalker (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: marktwain

there should be their


3 posted on 05/03/2013 9:56:31 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

I got an admission that I may be right from a local columnist who has supported expanded background checks. After doing a little investigative journalism of his own he sent me an email and told me that background checks may not be the crime deterrent he has believed them to be.

He went to the hood and asked people on the street how easy it is to get a throw away weapon. He was astounded that 3 of 5 people said they could get one in under an hour with no serial number for a couple hundred bucks.


4 posted on 05/03/2013 10:08:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Is he going to write it up? If not, can we write it up? Would he be up for an interview?


5 posted on 05/03/2013 10:11:07 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: bankwalker

Compelling argument for a .45acp


6 posted on 05/03/2013 10:14:54 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: marktwain
Wow. Better summation than anything I've done by far.

There is a current of pure mendacity in the gun prohibitionists that is actually sort of curious. They lie when they don't have to. They get caught and they double down. They delight in obfuscatory neologisms such as "gun show loophole," "assault weapon," "high-capacity ammo clip," etc, etc. Their real target isn't guns at all, it's gun owners as a class. Very strange stuff looked at from a distance.

7 posted on 05/03/2013 10:20:18 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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He said he’s thinking about a column but wants to do a bit more investigating by talking to police, former criminals, crime victims etc. He’s moderate to liberal but a pretty rational guy.

I’ll keep you posted.


8 posted on 05/03/2013 10:34:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: muir_redwoods

It’s actually an argument for proper training. Improved grip, stance and sight picture training allows for a double-tap head shot, as opposed to a center of mass shot, which can be ineffective with an armed subject. A high-capacity mag certainly would have helped. But in truth, for home defense I also prefer the .45ACP round. Or a 12-gauge shotgun loaded with alternate rounds of buck and bird. Control is less of an issue: one shot will frequently cut the perp in half.


9 posted on 05/03/2013 10:47:23 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: muir_redwoods
Compelling argument for a .45acp

cause they don't make a .46

10 posted on 05/03/2013 11:24:47 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: bankwalker

Very well done.


11 posted on 05/03/2013 11:30:13 AM PDT by Toadman (To anger a Conservative, tell a lie. To anger a liberal, tell the truth.)
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To: marktwain

If only there were more.


12 posted on 05/03/2013 12:31:02 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

There are more all the time. The only question is: Will there be enough, fast enough?


13 posted on 05/03/2013 1:46:39 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: showme_the_Glory

Why don’t you carry 500 smith then its a lot more powerful the a 45. There are other bigger caliber pistols out there. The .45 auto is a bit no the small size today.


14 posted on 05/05/2013 4:35:09 PM PDT by riverrunner
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