Fun With Facebook Liberals!

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[Future Snake Eater]

A fun conversation I had with some Facebook liberals (and one conservative, I guess). Enjoy!

The names have been abbreviated to protect the guilty, and I'll use "FSE" for me:

ORIGINAL POST:

"The actions of a few individuals are not a valid justification for hatred and prejudice against an entire race."--CM

FSE (me): lol...when I see people say that about gun owners, maybe I'll give it a second's thought.

JR: I didn't know gun owners are a race.

FSE (me): I didn't know Muslims were either.

VL: I hope you were joking, [FSE]. That isn't even close to a valid comparison. And she didn't say anything about Muslims.

BA: Except when that race preaches doctrines that basically call for the extinction of your race.

FSE: Not joking in the slightest. And of course that's what she means. Even our venerable president has said the same thing.

CM (Original Poster): I didn't know doctrines were race-based, [BA]. I was actually referring to the statements I'd seen about the Boston bombers, and generalizations being made about their race based on their actions. But I think my statement is blanket enough to cover xenophobia in general.

FSE: Race is irrelevant. Arabs, Chechens, Afghanis, Persians are just people. It's the culture they embrace that's the problem. You can't choose your race, but you can choose your culture.

BA: Doctrines can be race-based, when the majority religion asks its followers to work towards eliminating religious 'infidels' (Americans/Christians).

JSB: Some people just need to get out there and stop being scared of people they do not know. There have been a shit ton of serial killers in the past that are white americans... Do you classify all white americans as serial killers? NO, because you are a white american. Dont you think there are middle eastern people out there that deserve that same respect?

FSE: Strawman argument. Useless.

VL: Cultural superiority is a dangerous mindset to adopt. Americans aren't the morality gods of the world. There will always be extremists who want to eliminate a certain race/religion/culture.

FSE: Western Christian culture built the world. I've seen what Islam has done to its neck of the woods. You are welcome to exist over there, but I'll take what we built any day of the week.

BA: If a culture, religion or whatever is training its followers to murder you, your spouse, your kids, etc, I think its in our best interest to eliminate them first.

VL: I'm assuming you mean "kill them first". Its amusing to me when people think killing everyone who doesn't agree with you solves anything.

JSB: Eliminate them first? Doesnt that put you in the same EXTREMIST category as them? Doesnt that make you no better than what they preach?

FSE: I've killed Muslims. They damn sure tried to kill me first. I recognize who the enemy is. That's very frowned upon here in the U.S. for some reason.

JSB: So, walking down the street, if it was legal, you would just start shooting everyone that looked Muslim to you?

VL: It's frowned upon because cultural prejudice isn't even close to justification for taking someone's life. There are different rules for direct conflict with an enemy unit in a war zone, which is a debate I don't care to address here. We're getting off topic.

FSE: It's called "combat." You're referring to indiscriminate murder. Quite different.

I am curious, though, does anyone really think that when your head is on the chopping block, all you have to do is tell the jihadi how multicultural in your thinking you are and they'll let you go? Do you think they fret over this nonsense?

FSE: "Cultural prejudice" doesn't justify murder, but it does justify itself. Some cultures are most certainly inferior to others.

VL: If I were to make a baseless assumption, I'd have to assume they don't. However, I also think us asking questions about the morality of our actions is an admirable trait, rather than one that makes us weak.

FSE: Not when those questions inevitably lead to weakness and hesitation in the face of a ruthless enemy.

VL: I assume you're referring to direct conflict (I'm also assuming you've been in combat from your statements). I don't have expertise in combat, where I also assume the rules are different. From a societal standpoint, however, I think that adopting an attitude of tolerance and consideration is in our best interest. Assuming an entire culture/race/religion (and any person we meet from it) is "bad" or "evil" is too closed-minded of a viewpoint for the civilized world.

FSE: Do you fear violence from Muslims or Christians more? Why?

JR: I've gotten more death threats from Christians than from Muslims.

FSE: That doesn't answer my question.

VL: Perhaps you could clarify your question a bit. I don't fear violence based on a particular group of people, but I'm not sure if this viewpoint is in the majority.

FSE: Would you fear being beaten/killed more outside a mosque in Mosul or outside a church in Texas?

JO: Jumping in here, but I don't think fear of violence (by anyone) is justification for anything, because fear is subjective, and can be cultivated by news media, propaganda, etc.

JR: Texas, definitely.

FSE: So you believe Christians are "definitely" more inherently violent as a culture than Muslims? Based upon what evidence?

FSE: Take a walk through East St. Louis around midnight some time and tell me how "subjective" and even unwarranted your fear is.

JR: When did I say that?

FSE: "Texas, definitely"

MA: That's what happens when people are under educated in cultural diversity.

FSE: Or maybe it's the place? How about a church in Canada?

JR: Which you then expanded into something I didn't say.

JR: My impression of Texans is certainly worse than my impression of Canadians, sure.

JR: But generally I don't think I have to fear anyone.

FSE: Should you be aware of the threat they pose? Awareness does not equal "fear."

FSE: OK, so it's a geographical issue. Fine, church in Canada or mosque in Mosul?

JR: I disagree with your claim that "the muslims" pose a threat to me and mine.

FSE: Then you fundamentally don't understand what's happening.

JR: good to know this whole conversation was worthless.

FSE: I can't understand it for you, sorry.

AJ: All the questions to just say you don't understand what he understands. Someone's on a high horse of some sort.

FSE: Yet no one has answered the question.

NM: The crusades...yeah. I'd say Christian extremists can be JUST as violent as other...EXTREMISTS. They (extremists) have no problem with the harm and death of gays because they think they are evil. However I know many Christians who don't care. So I wouldn't say every Christian is evil and should be killed in case they try to beat my loved one to death for being gay. So I don't think everyone who is or looks Muslim should be..murdered..because they MIGHT have a bomb in their backpack.

JR: it's not really a useful question to answer, [FSE]. It presupposes its own reality, much like "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

DO: Personally, you're allowed to hate whoever you want, but as a society I think it's irresponsible to generalize ANY group (religious, cultural, etc). It also displays a lack of societal intelligence.

FSE: Hardly.

FSE: How about a church in Africa vs. a mosque in Mosul? This way you can't be seen as "racist" whichever way you go. I know that makes people afraid these days.

AJ: i find it uncivilized to hate an entire group solely based on the actions of a few, but hey at one time, the Romans thought they were the most civilized people on the planet, while at the same time, condoning slavery and taking whatever land they wanted.

AJ: Now you're just fishing for argument. You should probably go do something else.

JR: You haven't answered my question, [FSE]. Have you stopped beating your wife?

FSE: lol...I find it highly amusing that the high-minded multicultural folks around here can't answer my simple question.

AJ: While you're at it, have you ever masturbated in church [FSE]?

FSE: Now we're getting to the level of argument I expect from liberals. Good job

AJ: I'm not even a liberal, so are you going to answer my question?

FSE: Sure you aren't. Declaring questions to be equal doesn't make it so. Besides, I asked mine first.

AJ: I see you're a white supremacists. That explains the white uniform.

FSE: Race card!

FSE: It's official, I just won.

FSE: Nice playing

[Future Snake Eater]

You’re undoubtedly right, but it was still appalling to me the lack of reason and logic involved. I guess it’s good that even after 12 years of FR, I can still be surprised. :0)

[Signalman]

I have the same fun posting at the WAPO article forums. It’s about 80/20 lib/conservative.

[jmacusa]

A belated response at that.

[BreezyDog]

Here is one I am having this morning from me posting this on FB. JD me JF him...

JF - too soon

JD -Too soon??? Look at the next one...

JF- yea ... as in "too soon to make jokes about the Boston Bombing" ... let alone ones with "us vs them" political overtones

JD- Tell that to your jihadi friends...

JF-don't have any

JF -and btw ... I'm always willing to debate things that are debatable ... but claiming, or even insinuating that I have "jihadi friends" is highly offensive. If it was a joke, it wasn't funny. I work hard to make my corner of America the best it can be ... I've run youth programs when no one else would step up to keep them going, I've coached soccer, basketball, tee-ball, swim team and Odyssey of the Mind. I've been on my community's BOD, I was asked to and sat in on committees to study what we can do, locally, about the youth drug problems in Dare County. I'm the Democrat that believes that we need to help those in need, and put our foot up the ass of the lazy that want to take advantage of that help. I believe in gun ownership, reasonable guns owned by responsible people. I believe our taxes are too high and blame it largely on an inefficient government. I believe we need immigration reform, and we shouldn't be letting people in that other countries ask our FBI to investigate. Just like the best colleges get to pick the best students for entry, we should get to pick the best of the best to enter our country, i.e. if you can't show that your being here is going to make our country a better place, then you shouldn't get in. I believe that we insert ourselves into the politics and affairs of other countries WAY to often and we need to change our priorities and worry about issues at home more ... Lord knows we have plenty to improve here, much of which is being ignored. AND I believe that the Boston Bombing was a horrible tragedy and I question the empathy of anyone who makes jokes about it.

JD -Stop it Jordie...some people just aren't as "bleeding heart" as you...and it's okay. It doesn't mean I don't like you. I know this situation is terribly inconvenient for bleeding hearts but it's the people who fight back that will change the situation.Whether it's grass roots activism or fighting literally on the front lines, or making jokes about the governments gun policy using a crisis. That is a tactic straight out the liberal playbook.

JD- The liberals political correctness has allowed the enemy to dwell among us. Someone referred to PC as “America’s suicide belt”. Pretty good description. <---stolen from a Freeper

JF-I don't believe in Political Correctness, I believe in what's right ... if it offends people it doesn't bother me.

JD -I offended you pretty easily...

JF -By saying I have jihadists friends?!? I wouldn't say that was "easily offended".

JD- No Jordie...me posting a picture of someone's grandma disgusted at the fact that her pressure cooker may have to be on a national registry like her AR-15...it was humor to illustrate the absurdity...that's what originally offended you. Then I just tweaked you a little harder. And be careful some liberals may construe your lack of jihadi friends as racist...

JF -I wasn't offended by that, I just pointed out that its probably too soon to joke about an attack that killed and harmed US citizens on US soil ... especially a joke with a political overtones that pit Americans against Americans. If I myself, or friends or family, had been victims of the bombing, then yes, I probably would have been offended by the joke.

JD- Okay then...how about this...I didn't consider the grandma meme a joke, you did...we could end this now or we could get into the psychology on why you think that offended friends, family or victims of the bombing. Hypersensitive political correctness is a symptom of the bleeding heart. The only people I was hoping to annoy were the gun grabbers running this country right now. Somehow I caught you in the net that I cast...so, did I catch what I was looking for?<----me looking for the real objection.

JF- the original "too soon" comment should be read as if I comedian just performed a joke on stage and the crowd groaned ... then the comedian asks "too soon?"

Our Sunday Morning "Meet the Press" conversation that broke out after that is it's own animal.

And on the gun point, I summarized my position above, but to expand a bit;

JD-You should have used a question mark after "too soon". I think the result would have been the same though....

[sheana]

When conversing with libs (which is very rare now) it is me who becomes uncivilized. When I say “You can shut up now since I have discovered you are too STUPID to have a rational conversation with” I am done. And it usually doesn’t take long. lol

[Future Snake Eater]

Nice. I like his attempts to describe how wonderfully moderate in his views he is, yet I doubt he has any problem voting for ANYONE with a “D” behind their name, regardless of how hardcore left they are.

[alecqss]

Oh yeah, Crusades. This ‘pressing’ issue ended millenia ago, but still - seems to be raw-painful and higher on agenda then any events of today.
Funny thing, Crusades were a response to the Islamic conquest of 8th and 9th centuries...

[EQAndyBuzz]

This is why I dropped Facebook. As soon as Obama won Ohio I knew there was no hope for America.

[DuncanWaring]

Amusing that “JR” is more fearful of being beaten/killed outside a church in Texas than a mosque in Mosul.

[Cheerio]

This is why I dropped Facebook. As soon as Obama won Ohio I knew there was no hope for America.

Same here - I inactivated my account day after Nov election. Figured it is over, but try to keep that "attitude" to myself. I apologize if this comments upset folk on FR.

[Future Snake Eater]

Oh man, I could smell the liberal smugness on that guy. “AJ” was a real piece of work, but he struck me as a typical college-kid liberal. “JR” seemed more like a “Time” or “Huffington Post” writer.

[GBA]

Well played. I enjoyed your conversation quite a bit.

[rockrr]

They are so utterly predictable (and boringly so). I also bet they came away from the exchange feeeeeeling like they won. LOL

[AmericanMermaid]

Yes, that is exactly what they’ll do. I got into it with a very intolerant lib (and also disrespectful 20ish girl), who immediately upped the personal attacks when she was unable to defend her position. It’s the mark of immaturity, but it also goes to show that libs of any age basically just repeat mindless rhetoric and they get mad when their “opponent” fails to be impressed by it.

[randita]

Liberals believe Christians are intolerant so they hate them.

But Muslims are every bit and even more intolerant, yet liberals love and defend them.

One of the liberal gods (little “g”) is multiculturalism. Basically anything that is NOT WASPish (include in there Catholic as well) is great.

[BubbaBasher]

I think the fundamental point they always miss is that Christianity preaches forgiveness and turn the other cheek while Islam preaches that you should lie to and kill nonbelievers if they won’t covert. They can’t preach equivalence when you compare Jesus’ life to Muhammad’s. Muhammad was a liar, a thief, a murderer, and a pedophile. Islam is not now or has never been a religion of peace.

[DarkWaters]

They do seem to seek out validation for the programing that was administered to them by leftists. They don’t know how to do anything else is mostly likely why. They never learned the critical thinking skills needed to take conversations to a higher level nor have they ever been introduced to them having lived in such an insulated world of ignorance, prejudice, falsehoods, and all-in-one narrow minded narratives. Any introduction to anything above their already low standard of comfort, immediately gets answered with a blast of sophistry and callow responses in the interests of sounding like they are taking the high road. When the inevitable occurs, i.e. the false intellectual facade that they have erected comes tumbling down, then they switch to the name calling, demonizing, and very uncivilized behavior(rudeness, violence of one degree to a higher degree depending on the insane state of the person or group involved).

[fr_freak]

Amusing that “JR” is more fearful of being beaten/killed outside a church in Texas than a mosque in Mosul.

"JR" was lying through his teeth. They all (libs) do that. No doubt JR realized the point that was being made and realized it would destroy his argument, so he simply lied, not just to the others, but to himself. That's what they ALL do. I have been through this a couple of dozen times. They are weak-minded idiots who cling to their brainwashing the way a baby clings to its mother's teat.

[JerseyDvl]

It cracks me up that they have to go back 1000 years for their examples. Lol

[This I Wonder32460]

What could be more xenophobic then islam? Muslims are xenophobes. Islamic ideology is the definition of xenophobia.