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Here's Why the NRA Won and Gabby Giffords and Mike Bloomberg Lost
Mother Jones ^ | April 18, 2013 | Andy Kroll

Posted on 04/21/2013 1:35:55 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

On NBC's Meet the Press last month, National Rifle Association honcho Wayne LaPierre, the face of the American gun lobby, delivered this message to New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg: "He's going to find out that this is a country of the people, by the people, and for the people, and he can't spend enough of his $27 billion to try to impose his will on the American public. He can't buy America." The day before, Bloomberg had announced that he would spend $12 million of his own money on an ad blitz pressing members of Congress to pass new legislation expanding background checks for gun purchases. LaPierre went on national television to tell the mayor that all those millions wouldn't make the difference in the fight in Congress over new gun laws.

Guess what? LaPierre was right.

The Manchin-Toomey background check legislation that died in the Senate on Wednesday had everything going for it. Bipartisan sponsorship by two centrist senators. The support of 90 percent of Americans. President Obama's full-throated backing. The momentum for reform created by tragedy and sympathetic advocates with gripping stories—ex-Rep. Gabby Giffords, the Newtown families. All the pieces were there.

Yet it failed. The bill won a 54-vote majority but fell short of the Senate's 60-vote threshold to pass new laws, a high hurdle that progressives decry as undemocratic. But the main reason it failed—and this is the key point for gun control advocates—is because the NRA has unrivaled political power, the kind of influence and muscle that Bloomberg, the Brady Campaign, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Organizing for Action, Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly, and the rest of the gun-control lobby can only dream of.....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 0pansification; 0pasification; banglist; bloomberg; congress; donttreadonme; flexiblehoser0bama; giffords; guncontrol; maybealittleblowup; nra; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 04/21/2013 1:35:56 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a boatload of horse shyt.

If it had 90% backing from Americans it would have passed.
The NRA hasn’t got that kind of power.

It lost because people are tired of seeing their Constitutional rights stepped on.


2 posted on 04/21/2013 1:43:33 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The bought into thier own lie.

Gun control is an issue to only 4% of the public.

It’s not an issue to 96% of the public

Not the 90% as tried to bait and switch the poll on one issue to the poll on all issues.


3 posted on 04/21/2013 1:51:07 AM PDT by NoLibZone (None here can be puzzled by why Jews walked into the cars so quietly- we are walking up the planks.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only thick-skulled boneheads believe that 90% of “americans” BS. It’s just propaganda from the Josef Goebbels fan club down at the state controlled “media”. If there was any truth to that 90% figure, the politicians would have known it and would have voted to violate the Second Amendment with this Nazi Gun Confiscation bill.


4 posted on 04/21/2013 1:51:14 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The Amnesty Bill - 800 pages filled with 400 waivers and exemptions for illegal aliens.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The support of 90 percent of Americans.”

You lie.

“a high hurdle that progressives decry as undemocratic.”

Maybe “progressives” (short for ‘little tyrannical a$$hats’) should go live in a democracy instead of a republic.


5 posted on 04/21/2013 1:59:57 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

They always cheat on polls and senitment when they need to. Their ‘quotes’ are either just outright false, but repeated over and over until popularly legitimized (one liar quoting another liar as a valid source), or they just ask pointed questions like “do you want to see your child murdered with a gun if universal checks are not implemented?”


6 posted on 04/21/2013 2:23:19 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I want to know in detail why every damn member of the GOP and the Gun group management is not running over Democrat to get to open mics to call Obama on the 90% lie.

Can anything else be so simple to beat the libs senseless with? And yet they do not press the advantage.

On a silver platter and they let it slide.


7 posted on 04/21/2013 2:25:44 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Psycho_Bunny

It would take some tall, tall fences for that to occur. Sure would like to try that experiment, with no condition of repatriation. Which side would keep people from escaping, and which side would grant asylum. Dang, this may have been try once, last century.


8 posted on 04/21/2013 2:27:45 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Norm Lenhart

Oh and saying “This is settled law...lets move on” every time Zero and the crew threaten more gun restrictions just like the left does with Abortion.

No one in power wants to fight and win. Just sit on their thumbs until the next round. And the next. This was ‘won’ by the skin of their teeth and damn near lost.


9 posted on 04/21/2013 2:28:49 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: RedHeeler

Well...we know what would happen. I define Direct Democracy as “A monarchy of the masses.”


10 posted on 04/21/2013 3:23:29 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
from Rush this past week:

There's a Gallup poll out. “Only 4% of Americans Think Gun Control is an Important Problem.” Only 4%! After all the Newtown stuff on Air Force One. After all the so-called lobbying. After all of the caring. After all of the attention. After all of the focus. Only 4% of the American people think gun control is an important problem, but the people in Washington do not care. We've got Dingy Harry out talking about the anti-gun bill, letting the cat out of the bag. And that has always been the point, folks.

These polls saying that 90% of Americans believe in universal background checks, not true. They ignore the fact that nearly 100% of Americans do not think this is an issue. Only 4% of Americans think gun control’s an important problem. Can I talk to you about disconnect? If you turn on the media, if you listen to it, read it, watch it, all you'll think is going on is gun control and immigration. Alternate hours, alternate days, gun control here, immigration there. The next hour, immigration, then gun control.

11 posted on 04/21/2013 4:07:25 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight,, he'll just kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The support of 90 percent of Americans.”

Liar.


12 posted on 04/21/2013 4:11:07 AM PDT by Peet (Come back with a warrant.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

So do I...let’s get started.


13 posted on 04/21/2013 4:24:04 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Peet

“The support of 90 percent of Americans.”

Liar.

I agree. 96.5875 % agree that the administration lied on that fact...: )


14 posted on 04/21/2013 4:30:43 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...but fell short of the Senate’s 60-vote threshold to pass new laws, a high hurdle that progressives decry as undemocratic.”


Let me help with the wording here:

“...but fell short of the Senate’s 60-vote threshold to pass new laws, a high hurdle that progressives SELECTIVELY decry as undemocratic.”


15 posted on 04/21/2013 5:06:23 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Where does that 90% figure come from? What was the question that got 90% agreement. It wasn’t for this bill...I know, but it was for some general platitude. I’d like to know so I could quote it for all the idiots on Facebook.


16 posted on 04/21/2013 5:14:22 AM PDT by ilgipper (The lesson for the GOP is simple - don't let the opposition define you)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The NRA’s budget is massive: $200 million, one of the biggest among major lobbying groups.”

Oh really...

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082


17 posted on 04/21/2013 5:14:26 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It’s not influence that is backed by the American people. It is backed by a lot of money and a small, very vocal, and, in my opinion, an organization that has some extreme ideas about gun safety and about violence in this country.”

And other than Bloomberg, where did Bloomberg’s $12M come from?


18 posted on 04/21/2013 5:16:26 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: BobL

Bloomberg published a business newsletter.


19 posted on 04/21/2013 5:39:31 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: BobL

I joined the NRA the minute I saw that wonderful ad about Obama and someone else being hypocrits about school security guards. That was when I knew the NRA would fight to win, rather than cravenly cave.


20 posted on 04/21/2013 5:43:00 AM PDT by Kanzan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“Bloomberg published a business newsletter.”

I doubt his newsletter subscribers were doing it to promote gun control - i.e., it was Bloomberg’s fortune.


21 posted on 04/21/2013 5:49:43 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Krauthammer—”intensity” of gun rights supporters.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/20/krauthammer-intensity-of-gun-rights-supporters-led-to-manchin-toomey-defeat-video/


22 posted on 04/21/2013 5:52:53 AM PDT by Atlantan
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I wonder how many people in Boston wished they had a gun against bad guys with bombs and grenades to lob at police.


23 posted on 04/21/2013 6:22:00 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The support of 90 percent of Americans.

LOL! Such a load of socialist propaganda BS.

Does anyone seriously believe if 90% of the people supported this that it would be an issue at all? It would have been law the same day it was introduced.

It failed because congress knew the price they would pay for an unConstitutional infringement of the 2nd amendment.

Also, because more and more Americans realizes, you can either have gun control or you can have a Constitution and all of it's protections, but not both.

Further infringement of the 2nd amendment translates simply as the end of our freedoms. Nothing will restrain the socialists once the population is disarmed.

24 posted on 04/21/2013 6:29:26 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: ilgipper
Where does that 90% figure come from? What was the question that got 90% agreement.

Washington Post-ABC News Poll April 11-14, 2013: "Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online?" Support: 86 percent. Oppose: 13 percent.

Even if this figure is close to accurate, it doesn't really matter if the intensity isn't there. As many have pointed out, people who support gun rights care very strongly about this issue 24/7/365 while the majority of those who support more gun laws don't care much about the issue at all and usually only immediately following a major tragedy. Gun rights supporters are a powerful block and they'll easily vote against any politician who threatens these rights even if they agree with them on everything else.

the left-leaning Daily Beast summed it up pretty well in a recent article, Why the President Lost on Gun Control

25 posted on 04/21/2013 7:05:29 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: NoLibZone

Someone needs to explain to these idiots, that if 90% of the public was for this legislation, the red state democrats wouldn’t be in fear of losing their power if they voted for it. It’s that simple, it’s not that the NRA has $$$, as long as they believe that, they will continue to bring it up and continue to lose.


26 posted on 04/21/2013 7:28:16 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: nobamanomore

Good post.

The NRA was successful because it reflected the popular opinion in the country.
A LOT of Dems from swing states were running for cover.

Obama learned you could buy a POTUS election with entitlements but not gun control.

As for Bloomberg, if he’s so proud of his campaign, why doesn’t he show HIS name in all those commercials?


27 posted on 04/21/2013 7:32:34 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Drew68

The New Republic article mentioned in Daily Beast.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112946/gun-control-failure-2013-who-responsible#


28 posted on 04/21/2013 10:17:31 AM PDT by Atlantan
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To: NoLibZone

We should not oversell the poll that said that gun control is the most important issue for only 4% of the people. What the poll found is true, but the poll does NOT say that only 4% care about gun control, only that MANY more issues are more important.


29 posted on 04/21/2013 10:32:55 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
BS! This is why it failed...

The Dem/libs have been engaging in a steady push to infringe on our right to keep and bear arms for decades. And this is how it has been working out for them in the last two decades...

And in the last two months... (Nov. 2012 and Dec. 2012)

MOLON LAVE! AMERICA LOVES THE 2ND AMENDMENT. ;-)

30 posted on 04/21/2013 11:18:20 AM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The danger is that they believe their own hype, and will move to do illegal things to get the guns.


31 posted on 04/21/2013 1:50:02 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Gaffer

“Their ‘quotes’ are either just outright false, but repeated over and over until popularly legitimized”

I’m still schooling the occasional ignoramus that Sarah Palin did NOT (!!!!!) say she could see Russia from her house, and that was almost five friggin’ YEARS ago!! It’s an uphill battle...;)


32 posted on 04/21/2013 2:14:07 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Drew68; FlingWingFlyer

I had wondered about that 90% stat. Seems it was 86% in a poll that over sampled Dems by 10% and under sampled gun owners by maybe 20%. Over half of the house holds polled had no firearm. Here in Texas I don’t know of a single house hold in my area that does not have firearms.

My guess is the poll sample was all NE states...


33 posted on 04/22/2013 4:07:22 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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