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Interview with Yuri Bezmenov
UselessDissident on Blogspot.com ^ | 24 Nov 08 | Useless Dissident

Posted on 04/11/2013 9:47:28 PM PDT by OneWingedShark

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Griffin: I think you’re trying to tell us something… to this country.

Bezmenov: Oh yes. I am trying to tell you that it has to be stopped, unless you want to end up in [a] gulag system, and enjoy all the advantages of socialist equality, working for free, catching fleas on your body, sleeping on planks of plywood, in Alaska this time, I guess. That’s where Americans will belong unless they will wake up, of course, and force their government to stop aiding Soviet fascism.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Government; Society
KEYWORDS: crisis; demoralization; destabilization; normalization; russia; sovietunion; ussr; yuribezmenov
  1. Demoralization
    15-20 years to demoralize a nation, in order to expose students of the target country to the ideology/indoctrination desired.
  2. Destabilization
    2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation; here what matters are the essentials: economy, foreign relations and defense systems.
  3. Crisis
    This takes as little as 6 weeks to bring a country to the brink of a crisis; that crisis is used to violently change power structures and the economy.
  4. Normalization
    Indefinite length; "getting used to the 'new Normal'".

All this unease about our government, exemplified right now by gun-control, brought this to mind... Given that the government seems to be pushing for another civil war it seems like we are on the cusp of 'Crisis' -- much like the massive bailouts, come to think of it.

Thoughts?

1 posted on 04/11/2013 9:47:28 PM PDT by OneWingedShark
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To: OneWingedShark

Well, maybe that’s what it’s going to take in order for people to learn. Or maybe they won’t ever learn.

Not sure I really care that much anymore, because there really does not seem to be anything to be done about it.

Those who love freedom have very few allies, and we are surrounded as far as the eye can see by those who want to be slaves.


2 posted on 04/11/2013 9:52:12 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: digger48; GeronL; Vendome; JRandomFreeper; cripplecreek; butterdezillion; MrB; Lazamataz; ...

Thought you might find this interesting, or if you’ve seen it find the refreshing of your memory instructive.


3 posted on 04/11/2013 9:53:08 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: chris37
Not sure I really care that much anymore, because there really does not seem to be anything to be done about it.

Excellent illustration of Demoralization.

4 posted on 04/11/2013 9:54:40 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

5 posted on 04/11/2013 9:56:35 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: OneWingedShark

Yep.

Doesn’t change the reality of the situation though.


6 posted on 04/11/2013 9:57:26 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: OneWingedShark

>>>Not sure I really care that much anymore, because there really does not seem to be anything to be done about it.
Excellent illustration of Demoralization.<<<

More like Normalization, thus Bezmenov had put another sense into it. Let’s call it Rationalization.


7 posted on 04/11/2013 9:59:44 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: OneWingedShark

In 1987 I had the pleasure of being part of a group of people who escorted Yuri around northern Colorado visiting various conservative groups.

Yuri loved America.


8 posted on 04/11/2013 10:05:44 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: cunning_fish
>>>Not sure I really care that much anymore, because there really does not seem to be anything to be done about it.
>>Excellent illustration of Demoralization.
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>More like Normalization, thus Bezmenov had put another sense into it. Let’s call it Rationalization.

Maybe you're right, what I was thinking though was the portion where he talks about making it impossible for them to people to be able to process truth/reality -- the truth is:

There are an estimated 270 million total guns in the US's civilian population, an average of 89 firearms for every 100 residents -- that average is rather a useless metric because many gun owners own multiple guns -- Ted Nugent would skew the average of his city all by himself.

So we have to jump off a little bit, let's assume there's 10% of the population armed (that's ~30 Million), now let's say that only half of that will have any will to resist (~15 million) -- there are 675,734 Law Enforcement officers [source, add in the full force of the US Armed forces 1,429,995 [wikipedia] and we have 15,000,000 : 2,105,729 or approximately 15:2 odds.

Now that makes some admittedly bad assumptions -- (1) that more population wouldn't get involved when personal losses hit, (2) that all Law Enforcement Officers would comply, and (3) that all the Armed Forces would comply. If we assume a 50/50 split that becomes a 16:1 odds against the government.

So, given such hugely lopsided odds it certainly is possible to do something about it.
Would it be bloody? Yes.
Would it be uncomfortable? Yes.
Would it be tragic? Yes.
Would it be useless? Only if we are not fighting on God's side, but why would God side with those lawless people who want to murder and destroy the freedom of the people -- is not God on the side of the oppressed??
9 posted on 04/11/2013 10:26:22 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: laplata
In 1987 I had the pleasure of being part of a group of people who escorted Yuri around northern Colorado visiting various conservative groups.

That sounds like it was interesting.

Yuri loved America.

I notice that many immigrants do -- I know a man from my church, from Argentina, who can tell you exactly the parallels between the US now and the fall of Argentina; you can tell he loves the American ideal and doesn't want the same to befall this country.

10 posted on 04/11/2013 10:29:58 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: chris37
Doesn’t change the reality of the situation though.

Nope, it doesn't -- But I know who can, and He has a history of helping His people.

11 posted on 04/11/2013 10:33:27 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Yes, it was interesting. Yuri was a character and he taught us all a lot.

After a few vodkas, he’d tear up and curse the communists and our media. He detested people like Dan Rather.


12 posted on 04/11/2013 10:42:34 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Wait listen. Did you hear that. Sounds like George Washington is rolling over in his grave and actually trying to say something.

What was that ?...... drawing the quarter....wait....drawn a quarter.....no.....perhaps....he said....drawn and quartered......wait.....something.....else......hear the monument ?.....no.....wait......near the monument......perhaps....maybe.....near my monument.

Boy that is strange and makes no sense at all.

13 posted on 04/11/2013 10:44:49 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: OneWingedShark

I know a man from my church, from Argentina, who can tell you exactly the parallels between the US now and the fall of Argentina; you can tell he loves the American ideal and doesn’t want the same to befall this country.


It’s sad to see people like that come here and have to go through it all over again.


14 posted on 04/11/2013 10:47:04 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: justa-hairyape

True, true... but that sounds a bit messy... maybe a good couple of rounds of rope-dances would be more appropriate.


15 posted on 04/11/2013 10:47:46 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

We get em after the Russians, Chinese and Al Qeada. Wont be much dance left in em.


16 posted on 04/11/2013 10:50:41 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: laplata
It’s sad to see people like that come here and have to go through it all over again.

Very true, but some people have Tsutomu Yamaguchi-luck.

17 posted on 04/11/2013 10:57:09 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

That’s quite a story and he was quite a man.


18 posted on 04/11/2013 11:04:57 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“Normalization
Indefinite length; “getting used to the ‘new Normal’”.”

I saw a commercial a few weeks ago. The theme was “Get Normal”. I could not figure out the point of it.

Has anyone else seen it?


19 posted on 04/11/2013 11:43:53 PM PDT by Selene
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To: OneWingedShark

>>>So, given such hugely lopsided odds it certainly is possible to do something about it.
Would it be bloody? Yes.
Would it be uncomfortable? Yes.
Would it be tragic? Yes.
Would it be useless? Only if we are not fighting on God’s side, but why would God side with those lawless people who want to murder and destroy the freedom of the people — is not God on the side of the oppressed??<<<

I’m not into Bezmenov theory to start with. IMHO, his idea was to sell a story high. As a talented agitprop specialist he reached deep into souls of audience.

Russians has similar conspiracy theory on US project to subvert them known as “Dulles plan”. If they are right it worked on them earlier and better than their own plan for US.

I don’t think there were actual programs to practically takeover each over in either USSR and US. Both KGB and CIA could prop some decadent forces but it couldn’t make that much.

Bezmenov actually mentions features of decomposing societies. Foreign involvement may boost it or not but it is all still features of natural demoralization.


20 posted on 04/11/2013 11:56:06 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: OneWingedShark

You are also assuming that all of those gun owners would be fighting on your side. All civil wars have their loyalists. And don’t forget, the last time there was a massive uprising against the feds 150 years ago, the rebels got crushed.


21 posted on 04/12/2013 1:44:06 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: chris37; OneWingedShark; sickoflibs; NFHale
Well, maybe that’s what it’s going to take in order for people to learn. Or maybe they won’t ever learn. Not sure I really care that much anymore, because there really does not seem to be anything to be done about it. Those who love freedom have very few allies, and we are surrounded as far as the eye can see by those who want to be slaves.

sadly, i believe the *sleeping*giant is in a medically induced coma...

Mr Bezmenov, as well as alinsky and the friggin commie agenda submitted to the House records have all told us exactly how it will be done...

its a rulebook to play on human nature, and to grab power, and it works everytime, *if* the patience necessary to carry it out is maintained...

i cant help but to picture drunk, fat, dead ted k, lyin on his bed, ready to die, still clutching at getting his signature ambition of *healthcare'* ramrodded thru...like ole Longshanks seeking one last pleasure in hearing Willian Wallace be broken...

this will not end well for either side...

22 posted on 04/12/2013 3:58:22 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: OneWingedShark

btw, the weekly standard has the full text of the toomy/munchkin sellout...im no lawyer, but skimmed it to the ‘gun show’ section, and could prolly argue to lockup anybody at a gunshow, making a parking lot private sale, if i were a rabid DA...


23 posted on 04/12/2013 4:07:59 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: cunning_fish
I don’t think there were actual programs to practically takeover each over in either USSR and US.

What if there were? But what if it wasn't "each other" who was pulling the strings, but rather the "global elite"-/"new world order"-type... I've heard it said that the New World Order cannot [properly] operate w/ the existence of national superpowers. (And, interesting to note, without at least one other superpower any to focus on [or some goal/"reason to keep moving"] it becomes easy for a superpower to fall into decay/infighting/disrepair -- look at China, it's happened to them several times.)

Bezmenov actually mentions features of decomposing societies. Foreign involvement may boost it or not but it is all still features of natural demoralization.

This is likelier than not -- however, as you note, they really are not mutually exclusive situations.

24 posted on 04/12/2013 4:24:55 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Gilbo_3
i cant help but to picture drunk, fat, dead ted k, lyin on his bed, ready to die, still clutching at getting his signature ambition of *healthcare'* ramrodded thru...like ole Longshanks seeking one last pleasure in hearing Willian Wallace be broken...

That's a powerful image & interesting parallel/comparison.

this will not end well for either side...

That is very likely quite true. I do very much hope that even if there is a civil war there will not be a French Revolution-style terror (wanton killing of everyone of a particular class; regardless of guilt -- which spills over into perceived supporters of that class) ~~ we must ensure that "our side" not fall to committing murder and theft.

Mr Bezmenov, as well as alinsky and the friggin commie agenda submitted to the House records have all told us exactly how it will be done...

That is amazing, isn't it. -- But it seems it proves what Jesus said: out of the abundance of the heart a man speaketh.

sadly, i believe the *sleeping*giant is in a medically induced coma...

What's interesting is the apparent push for civil war we see the government trying is somewhat akin to a doctor trying to provoke a response from the patient, and then get the legal-system involved civilly (suing the patient, so that he will not have resources when/if he wakes) and criminally (using a strong response as justification for killing the patient and trying to claim an assault/self-defense scenario).

25 posted on 04/12/2013 4:38:23 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Gilbo_3; chris37; OneWingedShark; sickoflibs; NFHale
RE :”Those who love freedom have very few allies, and we are surrounded as far as the eye can see by those who want to be slaves.
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its a rulebook to play on human nature, and to grab power, and it works everytime, *if* the patience necessary to carry it out is maintained...”

Dems focus on populist messages : That their ideas will help or protect them or OTHERS and it wont hurt anyone, anyone that matters anyway.
We can create jobs helping people and pay for it by making the rich (not you) pay their fair share, money they shouldnt have anyway and don't need’

The other message :’Republicans just obstruct progress and oppose the will of the people because they hate the President’ (or some other bad soundiing reason).

And they reframe the issues : tax fairness, gun safety, marriage equality

BTW : Talking about 'freedom' is NEW to the GOP, deathbed conversion late 2008. They never talked about 'freedom' under GWB. Under GWB the GOP theme much repeated here by some and talk radio was 'We (gubment) are keeping you safe so shut-up and do as you are told'

The shoe is on the other foot.

26 posted on 04/12/2013 4:43:29 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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sfl


27 posted on 04/12/2013 4:50:54 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: sickoflibs
BTW : Talking about 'freedom' is NEW to the GOP, deathbed conversion late 2008. They never talked about 'freedom' under GWB. Under GWB the GOP theme much repeated here by some and talk radio was 'We (gubment) are keeping you safe so shut-up and do as you are told'

The shoe is on the other foot.

Indeed. It always disturbed me how some would use the "submit to authority" command (in the bible) to justify absolute/unconstrained acceptance & compliance -- as the TN Constitution puts it: That government being instituted for the common benefit, the doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind -- without at all considering the fact that not every command from an authority-figure is a legitimate authority-carrying command: indeed how could a regulator of the FDA have any authority over your purchasing of reloading equipment? Or the city-counsel's ordnance of a town in another state be binding on your county?

28 posted on 04/12/2013 5:10:28 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Well...it’s time.


29 posted on 04/12/2013 6:11:49 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Gilbo_3

Sadly I am not even certain that there is a sleeping giant at this point.

Maybe there was once, but now we seem to have a legion of complete and utter morons.

I might think that there was some sort of hope to change this situation if we had an opposition part that gave a damn, but we do not have that.

The second party’s sole purpose seems to be to make the communist take over bipartisan, and that is about it.

I am not going to vex myself with voting for those people any longer, because doing so only aides the enemy.


30 posted on 04/12/2013 6:14:34 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: sickoflibs

To be perfectly honest, the only thing the GOP does is aid the enemy.

They are serial betrayers. If a person has a knife in their back, there is a R on the handle.

To Hell with them.


31 posted on 04/12/2013 6:16:04 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
RE :”To be perfectly honest, the only thing the GOP does is aid the enemy.”

They are pretty darn good at blowing elections, esp in POTUS years

And barking tough talk while Obama gets re-elected and signs his bills, the talk radio party...talk...

32 posted on 04/12/2013 6:27:02 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: chris37
They are serial betrayers. If a person has a knife in their back, there is a R on the handle.

See tag line...

33 posted on 04/12/2013 7:18:53 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them. Gun confiscation enables tyranny.)
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To: null and void

Absolutely agree with your tagline.

This is the last betrayal for me from them.

There is no more GOP.


34 posted on 04/12/2013 8:01:46 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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35 posted on 04/12/2013 8:17:11 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: DesertRhino; Dead Corpse

I don’t think I included you two in my ping last night.


36 posted on 04/12/2013 2:02:26 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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>>>rather the “global elite”-/”new world order”-type...<<<

Oh, C’mon. What NWO? It hasn’t emerged before 1990s in any form capable to really challenge existing national power structures. Before the Cold War global communications were too poor to enable any viable organized conspiracy, during the Cold War all the global underground was dominated by either Soviet or US intelligence. There were Jewish international cooperation organization ‘Joint’ or whatever, and later UNO but claiming it as a part of NWO of that ‘bad’ type is to ask for extensive medical treatment. Thus, UNO is now in process of getting carjacked by corrupt 3rd world savages and can be potentially used by current or future NWO types. You may also mean bankers and arms makers who has influenced political decision making in ugly forms for quite a long but blaming them as part of some conspiracy is as dumb as blaming communists if your son is an addict, daughter is pregnant at 14 yo and both aren’t visiting church. You have to first look at the mirror and then think how different your parents were to find the problem. That is a main reason for demoralization. Act moral and make your kids this way.


37 posted on 04/12/2013 7:09:45 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: OneWingedShark

// thoughts? //

That’s us.


38 posted on 04/15/2013 7:17:19 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: cunning_fish
You may also mean bankers and arms makers who has influenced political decision making in ugly forms for quite a long but blaming them as part of some conspiracy is as dumb as blaming communists if your son is an addict, daughter is pregnant at 14 yo and both aren’t visiting church. You have to first look at the mirror and then think how different your parents were to find the problem. That is a main reason for demoralization. Act moral and make your kids this way.

Um, in the context it [demoralize] is about morale... not, directly, morals.
de·mor·al·ize
verb (used with object), de·mor·al·ized, de·mor·al·iz·ing.
1. to deprive (a person or persons) of spirit, courage, discipline, etc.; destroy the morale of: The continuous barrage demoralized the infantry.
2. to throw (a person) into disorder or confusion; bewilder: We were so demoralized by that one wrong turn that we were lost for hours.
3. to corrupt or undermine the morals of.

That said, yes there is a lot of moral training/correction/discipline needed, but "going to church" isn't the answer, [us] being the church is.

The NWO is of course going to happen, otherwise Revelation is wrong (though it might not be a government [or religion] as we view it). The point is that the whole world is going to be arrayed against Jesus and try to fight Him... and they lose.

39 posted on 04/15/2013 7:48:28 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: cyn

>> // thoughts? //
>
> That’s us.

Elaborate?


40 posted on 04/15/2013 7:49:05 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

To be honest morals and morale aren’t that disconnected. People of high morale are usually moral and people of low morale just opposite.
These words are same-root for a reason.


41 posted on 04/15/2013 8:15:05 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: OneWingedShark

I saw this video for the first time about 5-6 years ago. Every hair stood up on the back of my neck. It became crystal clear to me how we got here, what happened and why it will be near impossible to stop.


42 posted on 04/15/2013 8:17:46 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: cunning_fish
To be honest morals and morale aren’t that disconnected. People of high morale are usually moral and people of low morale just opposite.
These words are same-root for a reason.

I didn't say they had no relation, which is why my list post had the word "directly" in parenthetical commas.

43 posted on 04/15/2013 8:28:23 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark; Nita Nupress

#1 You mentioned evidence of Demoralization above, and I think we’ve all seen it. One need only consider the line at the post office, the indifferent employees, and the fact that self-serve stamp machines are no longer available (I was told they were prone to malfunctions)...then realize that’s where healthcare is headed.

#2 Destabilization — everything coming out of DC these days. Energy is one of so many examples. Rising fuel prices hits every facet of bringing food to our tables, for example. Adding to that, the pipeline is refused, corn is made into fuel, and taxpayer $$ goes into the green energy black hole. The idiocy also feeds into demoralization ... we see it here on FR; we fight it in ourselves.

#3 We are now waiting for The Event to be revealed. Clearly something is up with attempts to disarm us and demonize us while ignoring, refusing to prosecute, and releasing the real bad guys (and so much more).

I am trying to keep a humorous perspective on the nonsense, whistling past the graveyard, and joking that DC is on a “wild rumpus”.


44 posted on 04/15/2013 8:33:58 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: cyn
#3 We are now waiting for The Event to be revealed. Clearly something is up with attempts to disarm us and demonize us while ignoring, refusing to prosecute, and releasing the real bad guys (and so much more).

I am trying to keep a humorous perspective on the nonsense, whistling past the graveyard, and joking that DC is on a “wild rumpus”.

Given the recent 2nd Amendment rush, and the Boston incident, I think that we will see bloodshed before the end of June.
Maybe I am wrong, we shall see.

45 posted on 04/15/2013 8:45:54 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: riri
I saw this video for the first time about 5-6 years ago. Every hair stood up on the back of my neck. It became crystal clear to me how we got here, what happened and why it will be near impossible to stop.

No kidding.
I think the biggest thing that is needed is the Truth, and by that I mean Jesus; sticking to Him cannot end badly, because the end is Him and He is Good.

46 posted on 04/15/2013 8:48:08 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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