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Homosexuality and Mental Health
Ryan Sorba's Blog ^ | January 12, 2012 | Ryan Sorba

Posted on 03/22/2013 8:12:52 AM PDT by fwdude

It was never a medical decision—and that’s why I think the action came so fast…It was a political move…That’s how far we’ve come in ten years. Now we even have the American Psychiatric Association running scared.
-Barbara Gittings, Activist

Getting Started

The American Psychiatric Association (APA) currently considers same-sex attraction a diagnosable and treatable mental disorder –if one is marked by persistent distress about their “sexual orientation.” The disorder is listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-IV TR (DMS-IV TR) as a paraphilia, euphemistically entitled, “Sexual Orientation Not Otherwise Specified.”

Psychiatrists began to use this clunky phrase to refer to homosexuality in 1987, after compromising with radical activists for more than a decade about what constitutes politically-correct verbiage. Negotiations have centered primarily on how to balance the demands of radical political activists with the right of the individual patient to self-determination, which requires that psychiatry leave the doors open to treatment and implies that homosexuality is in fact a mental disorder.

(Excerpt) Read more at ryansorba.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: disorders; findthetroll; homosexualagenda; mentalhealth; psychology; samesexattraction
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This is an excellent work-in-progress by Ryan Sorba, a courageous warrior against homosexual political correctness. Most people have no idea how political, violent, and unscientific the push to have homosexuality de-pathologized in the psychiatric profession in the 60's, 70's and beyond.

A long read but worth it.

1 posted on 03/22/2013 8:12:52 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

2 posted on 03/22/2013 8:15:44 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: fwdude

Duh! You need a PHD to point out the obvious these days?


3 posted on 03/22/2013 8:20:13 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
You need a PHD to point out the obvious these days?

A PHD is a liability when it comes to apprehending truth. Look at how many of them are liberal loons.

4 posted on 03/22/2013 8:22:26 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Don’t anger the fang-toothed man-hating feminazis.


5 posted on 03/22/2013 8:25:40 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: fwdude
Good for Ryan Sorba a courageous fighter for the truth in a culture that can't handle such truth. The whole sordid story is in many places on the web ....

Prior to December 14, 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) considered same-sex attraction a disorder. The disorder was listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-II (DSM-II) under the label, “Homosexuality.” Psychiatry’s authoritative voice influenced public opinion, which at the time was negative toward both sodomy and the types of people who engaged in such acts. Although public sexual activity in parks and public restrooms contributed to societies negative views, “scientific opinion” was crucial in the public attitude.

6 posted on 03/22/2013 8:27:23 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

No, but when the lefties move the goalposts and then claim the posts have been in the same place all along we have lost any objectivity.

Smug militant gays will point to ‘studies’ and the DSM and claim homosexuality is as normal as breathing when the scientific method, empirical data and the DSM itself have been intentionally corrupted to produce an outcome. It worked so well that the climate change types thought they would try it but absent the same sort of personal emotional bias among most (pro or con) the ruse was discovered and most sane people recognized the manipulation for what it was.

The coordinated effort to destigmatize homosexuality has, inevitably, opened the Pandora’s box of deviancy and delusion, with sordid tales of parents claiming their six year olds are ‘transgendered’ and demanding the wholesale retrofitting of schools, malls and other public facilities regardless of the cost or any application of common sense or skepticism.


7 posted on 03/22/2013 8:35:22 AM PDT by relictele
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To: Servant of the Cross
"Gittings tells about her activism against the APA:

"Besides the ALA, I was also very involved, along with many other people, in efforts to get the American Psychiatric Association… to drop its listing of homosexuality as a mental illness. Psychiatrists were one of the three major groups that had their hands on us. They had a kind of control over our fate, in the eyes of the public, for a long time. Religion and law were the other two groups that had their hands on us. So, besides being sick, we were sinful and criminal. But the sickness label infected everything that we said and made it difficult for us to gain any credibility for anything we said ourselves. The sickness issue was paramount."

They have, for all practical purposes, conquered psychiatry and law. The only group that still largely stands in their way is religion, and they are steadily making inroads there, or at least creating the public perception that they are.

All of their malice and energies can, and will be, now focused on Christianity, make no mistake. Never believe the fake assurances given by homosexual apologists that churches would never be forced to affirm homosexuality or to acknowledge counterfeit "marriage." It is coming, and we'll face confiscation of our property and incarceration when we resist.

8 posted on 03/22/2013 8:41:00 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

This shows what an uncaring jackass Rob Portman is. His son has a high chance of being dead before he turns 50. Does he give a shit? No. As long as he’s happy.


9 posted on 03/22/2013 8:45:49 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: fwdude
Now that they have re-elected 0bama, ALL of the forces of the State-Run Media/Socialist DEMONcrat Government Complex is trained on the church and 'religion' over this issue. What you have said is exactly right ...... Kinda like death panels for our senior citizens who get too sick under 0bamacare.

Never believe the fake assurances given by homosexual apologists that churches would never be forced to affirm homosexuality or to acknowledge counterfeit "marriage." It is coming, and we'll face confiscation of our property and incarceration when we resist.

10 posted on 03/22/2013 8:47:45 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: fwdude

If your sexual behavior is how you identify yourself, then doesn’t that mean that it is the most important thing in your life? And if homosexuality is the most important thing in your life, then doesn’t work become an obstacle to this behavior? Wouldn’t your goal be to be paid to practice homosexuality? Welcome to the next step. Homosexuality as an accepted lifestyle for those who have jobs, and a disability for those who don’t want, or have, jobs. Your hard-earned tax dollars are going to become Social Security Disability for an old homosexual so he can buy a blowjob at a bath house in San Francisco.


11 posted on 03/22/2013 9:01:53 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: fwdude
That's a good article. He doesn't really mention the historical background that led to Hook, though. Previous to Hooker, it had been acknowledged that the recognition of homosexuality as a psychopathological disorder and the classification of ego-dystonic homosexuality were not based in scientific evidence. The theories on both were formed from cultural biases in clinical observation of those who were already known to be homosexual AND afflicted with other mental disorders. There were never any "double blind" experiments on homosexuals not under psychiatric care to confirm things like ego-dystonic homosexuality.

Previous to Hooker, there were several studies done by the military during WW2 that provided the basis for her theories regarding homosexuality. This was further bolstered by studies done first by Kinsey, and then by Ford and Beach.

The one thing I don't understand is why he says that Hooker's report was discredited in 1993. There's no record of such discrediting; in fact, Hooker's work has been repeatedly confirmed by experimentation and "double blind" testing, most notable in 1973, 1987, and 2006. I'll have to email him about it.
12 posted on 03/22/2013 9:13:57 AM PDT by Hildred Castaigne
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To: Hildred Castaigne
Your defense of the de-pathologizing of homosexuality and the "studies" that lead to it are completely negated by the BEHAVIOR of those who sought to do it. If their case was so scientifically air-tight and convincing, why was violence, threats, deceit, and the most obnoxious behavior, over several years, necessary to finally bully the medical community to acquiesce to their demands? Truth doesn't need these things.

The outlandish behavior itself points to a serious pathology. Speaking anecdotally (for which there IS often something to be said) every homosexual I have been closely familiar with has had other emotional and psychological issues. Every one was on psychotropic drugs, had serious anger issues, and had debilitating problems relating to other people. Most are liberals and have the mindless liberal view on virtually everything, despise Christianity, and had horrible relationships with parents and siblings.

13 posted on 03/22/2013 9:26:57 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude; All
Canada has been pro homosexual for years.

They just passed a law to make it illegal to point out the evils of homosexuality and the problems that go along with it. Homosexuality can NOT be voiced in a negative light.

It seems the psychiatric community has gone from recognizing it as a disorder, to neutral, to deciding it is normal.

Recently TV has been bombarding the air waves with commercials (pubic service announcements?) dissing people for using the term gay to describe something lame, stupid, ugly, gross or undesirable.

It's only fitting that the word gay is changing it's meaning again.

The homosexual community took the word to describe themselves to make it seem like being a homosexual was a life of rainbows, balloons and unicorns.

Gay used to mean a happy, fun loving individual

Then it was co-opted into a description of those that practice gross sexual perversions.

Kids started using it to describe something undesirable as I mentioned up post.

It's only fair that the word has changed meaning again.

If the homos get upset, my suggestion is to say we are not using the word you perverted into something gross, we spell it ghey when we use it.

This article is sooooooo gay!! (not buying into the PC suggestion that I posted above...let them get upset, they took a perfectly good word and perverted it.)

For years, posters at Free Republic have been using the acronym "SSAD" to describe the sickness that homosexuals practice: Same Sex Attraction Disorder

14 posted on 03/22/2013 9:42:05 AM PDT by Syncro ("So?" -Andrew Breitbart [1969-2012] RIP King of The New Media)
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To: fwdude

the evil of Sodom & Gomorrah continues..


15 posted on 03/22/2013 9:55:41 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Viennacon

As long as he’s happy.


Negative behavior or activity that is disease ridden and self destructive is all great for a short time until the harmful social, medical and mental consequences set in.

If it “feels good, do it” is missing the end of the sentence where the negative consequences are listed.
If herion feels good, do it; but know that it will totally control and kill you within ten years. It is ultimately a suicide mission.

Likewise, with anal sex. It may be your addictive desire but it will shorten your lifespan by twenty to thirty years because of all the diseases that come as a consequence to the behavior.

Every sin is tempting (feels good for the moment) and every sin has concequences (makes one suffer in the long term). God is not arbitrary in His guidebook to a human’s happy and successful life on earth. Liberals racially slur that lifestyle as “white bread” and urge Americans to adopt a more “exciting” image and behaviors/lifestyle. That is a call to adopt a mentality and behaviors of self deceipt and self destruction.


16 posted on 03/22/2013 9:56:03 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Syncro
This article is sooooooo gay!!


17 posted on 03/22/2013 10:05:52 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: fwdude
Your defense of the de-pathologizing of homosexuality and the "studies" that lead to it are completely negated by the BEHAVIOR of those who sought to do it.

First, I disagree that I'm "defending" the de-pathologizing. I simply commented on historical fact that's missing from the article. Also, those are studies, not "studies".

Secondly, I disagree with the behavior presumption. Edison was a complete a--hole whose behavior often went beyond unacceptable to "should be shot". Same with McArthur. Didn't make them wrong. Behavior has no effect on the math or science of something and I prefer to be above all that.( Matter of fact, most programmers I know behave badly. But again - that's more anecdote and thus not relevant.)

Truth doesn't need these things.

I agree, but we're talking science, not truth. Truth and fact are not the same thing.

Speaking anecdotally (for which there IS often something to be said)

And here you completely lost me. I'm in IT; our motto is "Data is not anecdata." I don't accept my OWN anecdotes as factual, so I'm certainly not going to accept anyone elses. Statistical evidence and proper testing trumps anecdotes any day of the week, every hour of the day.

Every one was on psychotropic drugs, had serious anger issues, and had debilitating problems relating to other people.

And I've worked with homosexuals who weren't on any drugs, were the mildest and calmest people you ever met, and had no problems relating to anybody. And I've known straights who were drugged out, had serious anger issues, and couldn't relate to other people. See? There's anecdotal "evidence" for you. Anecdotes are meaningless. Let's stick with science and fact.

If you want to argue moral turpitude and how it's a sin against God, great. I'll listen to you all day. But let's not confuse personal and religious belief with statistics and double-blind testing.
18 posted on 03/22/2013 12:09:11 PM PDT by Hildred Castaigne
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To: Hildred Castaigne

All anyone has do is to be exposed to a few seconds of the gay “culture” to know how mentally ill the whole mess really is.


19 posted on 03/22/2013 12:19:45 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: fwdude; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Absolutely Nobama; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; Antoninus; ...
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Be sure to click the FreeRepublic homosexual agenda keyword search link for a list of all related articles. We don't ping you to all related articles so be sure to click the previous link to see the latest articles.

Add keywords homosexual agenda to flag FR articles to this ping list.

Yes, it is a mental illness. Yes, many people have left and continue to leave the "gay" life. Yes, the homonazi activists and their assistants do everything they can to hide the truth. So what is the solution to the increasing onslaught of pro-homonazi propaganda and lies?

My solution is to NOT SHUT UP and talk more loudly against it. Anyone other solutions welcome.

Anyone wanting on/off either ping list FREEPMAIL me.

20 posted on 03/22/2013 2:52:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Hildred Castaigne
You are willfully blind. The physical and psychological damage done by homosexual behavior is an open secret to those who are honest enough to examine the data. The CDC and FDA contain a wealth of information relating to the verifiable risks associated with male-to-male homosexual behavior, and other sources document similar hazards, both behavioral and physical, of lesbian activity. The anecdotal observations merely confirm the hard evidence, and blow away the carefully crafted facade of almost "gay supremacy" that the entertainment and news media would have you believe. When was the last time they presented a down-and-out, drugged, disease-ridden homosexual as an example? Instead, it's always the rich elite types with money to treat their disorders into temporary obscurity - ALWAYS.

There is a very good scientific reason that homosexually active men are banned from donating blood and organs. That they demand the "right" to donate is proof of their irrational persecution syndrome. Since when to people who've visited Haiti and the U.K protest for a "right" to donate blood? When do any sane people do so?

21 posted on 03/22/2013 3:33:03 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Hildred Castaigne
The theories on both were formed from cultural biases in clinical observation

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

As far as psychology -what is notmal? Is it not what is predominantly observed in society, that incorporated historically and culturally -objectively when looking at arbitrary things, that which is not self destructive?

Homosexual sex is abnormal AND self destructive individually and societally -the sickness has always and always will be vowed by a normal culture with a negative bias.

The 'unbiased' culture you wish existed is the same 'unbiased' culture the leftists seek to impose upon us -get a clue and troll your leftist garbage elsewhere.

22 posted on 03/22/2013 4:20:51 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Chainmail; Hildred Castaigne
True. Wherever homosexuals are allowed to be free to "be who they are," a triple-X rating is always warranted. Pathology is beyond any real doubt.

"But thirty-five years have passed since the infamous Stonewall riots of 1969 in New York, the Lexington and Concord of the gay liberation movement. During that time, homosexuals have carved out for themselves public spaces in every major American city, and many of the minor ones as well. They have had the chance to create whatever they wanted in those spaces, and what have they created? New spaces for locating sexual partners."
- Ronald G. Lee, "The Books were a Front for the Porn: The Truth About the Homosexual Rights Movement"

23 posted on 03/22/2013 4:46:35 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Syncro
For years, posters at Free Republic have been using the acronym "SSAD" to describe the sickness that homosexuals practice: Same Sex Attraction Disorder

Not to mention GRIDS: Gay Related Immunodeficiency Syndrome (now disguised as AIDS)

It's well past time to revive these accurate terms again.

24 posted on 03/22/2013 4:53:21 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude
Yep, like the perversion of the word gay, they balked at calling it what it is: Gay-related immune deficiency (GRID) (sometimes informally called the gay plague) was the 1982 name first proposed... [From Wikipedia]

It's always makes something dark and horrible look just fine if you surround it with balloons, unicorns, and-—of course-—rainbows!

25 posted on 03/22/2013 6:12:35 PM PDT by Syncro ("So?" -Andrew Breitbart [1969-2012] RIP King of The New Media)
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To: Hildred Castaigne
The one thing I don't understand is why he says that Hooker's report was discredited in 1993.

Probably because it was. Sorry, but the Hooker study is one I've reported on a few times and it should have been discredited at the outset. I'm not the only one here who's reported on it either. I'll see what I can find.

26 posted on 03/22/2013 8:01:10 PM PDT by scripter
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To: Hildred Castaigne
An excerpt from "Evelyn Hooker and the Normalization of Homosexuality" by Dr. Thomas Landess
"Evelyn Hooker has been among the most influential figures in the highly successful movement to convince the American people that homosexuality is a "normal variant" of human sexual behavior. Her 1957 study, "The Adjustment of the Male Overt Homosexual" (Journal of Projective Techniques, 1957, 21, 18-31) is the most frequently cited scientific source for the argument that homosexuality is not a pathology, that homosexuals are as free from mental disorder as heterosexuals.

Such assertions have not only found their way into standard psychology textbooks but have also provided a scientific basis for decisions in major court cases involving the legality of state sodomy laws and prohibitions against homosexual employment in certain state and local agencies (e.g., schools, police departments). Indeed, when the American Psychiatric Association debated the issue of homosexuality in 1973, Evelyn Hooker's work was Exhibit A for those who wanted to remove homosexuality from the group's list of mental disorders.

For many commentators and activists, the Hooker study effectively ended the debate over whether or not homosexuals were in any way abnormal in their relationships with each other and with the community at large. Today many Americans have accepted the idea that homosexuality is "normal" and "healthy" without realizing that such an opinion is derived in large measure from a single study -- one conducted by a UCLA professor whose previous laboratory subjects had been rats...

CONCLUSION

This unquestioning acceptance of "authorities" on the basis of professional reputation or political correctness threatens the integrity of our legal system. Judges must take greater responsibility for assessing the soundness and accuracy of testimony by so-called experts; yet, paradoxically, such a task is manifestly beyond the competence of the court. This dilemma is the consequence of the politicizing of the scientific community over the past several decades, particularly in questions of sexuality. The recent exposure of Kinsey's errors indicates just how long researchers have been careless or deliberately misleading in approaching sexual questions. And the widespread acclamation of recent, flawed studies "proving" that homosexuality is inherited genetically is evidence that the problem has only worsened over the years."

27 posted on 03/22/2013 8:04:45 PM PDT by scripter
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To: Hildred Castaigne
More on Hooker:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026551/posts?page=460#460>

28 posted on 03/22/2013 8:06:59 PM PDT by scripter
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To: Hildred Castaigne
More on Hooker:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026551/posts?page=514#514

29 posted on 03/22/2013 8:15:24 PM PDT by scripter
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To: scripter

Thanks for the info.


30 posted on 03/22/2013 8:25:48 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers
There's definitely some great information on Hooker that EdReform put together. I read a lot on Hooker and put together a lot of additional information, I just can't find it right now.

It's really sad so many people put their trust in Hooker's studies, just as some put their faith in Kinsey's studies. Everybody needs to read what's posted above so they can have an informed opinion... but will they? I hope so.

31 posted on 03/22/2013 8:47:41 PM PDT by scripter
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To: relictele

I’m of the belief that gays just happen to have been simply another group culled from the masses to form another splinter group to further divide the country. There are all kinds of gays both liberal and conservative. If they weren’t isolated they would be mixed in with the other general groups.


32 posted on 03/23/2013 10:15:22 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Viennacon

You’re assuming that Portman wants or accepts his son being promiscuous as well as homosexual. That may not be the case.


33 posted on 03/23/2013 10:26:46 AM PDT by x
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To: fwdude

Destroying core values is what degenerates are about. . More to the point is homosexuals destroy lives mentally and physically. Little boys are their obsession and have been for thousands of years. The Sandusky case barely scratched the underlying truth.


34 posted on 03/24/2013 1:56:57 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: x
You’re assuming that Portman wants or accepts his son being promiscuous as well as homosexual. That may not be the case.

If Portman doesn't know that they are one and the same, he is stupider than I thought.

35 posted on 03/24/2013 7:26:42 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Hildred Castaigne; fwdude

Hildred is a troll. Check it’s comments (hardly any).

Probably a hireling.


36 posted on 03/24/2013 11:46:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

And signed up 3/20 as an obvious sniper.


37 posted on 03/25/2013 6:56:52 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Hildred Castaigne
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38 posted on 03/25/2013 7:07:38 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( The purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect the other nine.)
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To: fwdude

Yep!


39 posted on 03/25/2013 7:08:31 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( The purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect the other nine.)
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To: fwdude
If Portman doesn't know that they are one and the same, he is stupider than I thought.

Parents in his position may be thinking they can't make their adult children heterosexual or completely chaste or monogamous but their actions can affect just how promiscuous or abandoned or reckless the children become. They could be terribly wrong about that, but I don't really see people engaging the argument.

40 posted on 03/25/2013 12:25:42 PM PDT by x
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To: x

When a child of a high profile public personality “comes out,” the child pretty much has the upper hand; he can cause as much disruption as he wants, which will reflect poorly on the public figure, who has the most to lose. It is usually the path of least resistance to “go along to get along” and preserve his career. Chaney did this, as have several other politicians.

It’s really a pernicious form of extortion.


41 posted on 03/25/2013 12:43:15 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: DBeers
As far as psychology -what is notmal?

Scientifically? There is no such thing as "normal", not as you or I would perceive it from a belief standpoint. "Normal" is just the mean and median of the data points, graphed along a bell curve.

Is it not what is predominantly observed in society, that incorporated historically and culturally -objectively when looking at arbitrary things, that which is not self destructive?

No, not really. I mean, it used to be "normal" for Catholics to force Protestants to convert at sword point, and on failing to do so, burning them alive at the stake for heresy. I wouldn't call that not self-destructive. But it was certainly for the time.

Homosexual sex is abnormal AND self destructive individually and societally

From a belief, religious, and cultural standpoint, I don't disagree. I would disagree that it has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt from a scientific and mathematical viewpoint - which is what wins you court cases.
42 posted on 03/26/2013 11:57:59 PM PDT by Hildred Castaigne
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To: fwdude
The physical and psychological damage done by homosexual behavior is an open secret to those who are honest enough to examine the data. The CDC and FDA contain a wealth of information relating to the verifiable risks associated with male-to-male homosexual behavior, and other sources document similar hazards, both behavioral and physical, of lesbian activity. The anecdotal observations merely confirm the hard evidence, and blow away the carefully crafted facade of almost "gay supremacy" that the entertainment and news media would have you believe.

OK. Assume that I agree with you. Now let me ask one question.

When pro-marriage proponents have been challenged to produce this FDA/CDC data court, they have never been able to do so, most famously in the Prop 8 case. WHY have they not done so? Is it because of incompetence?
43 posted on 03/26/2013 11:58:15 PM PDT by Hildred Castaigne
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To: Hildred Castaigne
When pro-marriage proponents have been challenged to produce this FDA/CDC data court, they have never been able to do so, most famously in the Prop 8 case.

Could you refer me to some reference as to your evidence lacking assertion? It is my understanding that Prop 8 was voted upon and became the law of the land UNTIL a judge set it aside. There was no need to defend it with evidence -it was those that wanted to overturn it that had the burden of proof. As well, when something is appealed there is no new evidence presented -the facts of the case remain as documented from the lower court.

44 posted on 03/27/2013 12:19:22 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Hildred Castaigne
No, not really. I mean, it used to be "normal" for Catholics to force Protestants to convert at sword point, and on failing to do so, burning them alive at the stake for heresy. I wouldn't call that not self-destructive. But it was certainly for the time.

YES REALLY -you stated as much yourself: "Normal" is just the mean and median of the data points, graphed along a bell curve." Normal people do not express love by engaging in self destructive intrinsically disordered activity...

45 posted on 03/27/2013 12:24:00 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: scripter
Probably because it was. Sorry, but the Hooker study is one I've reported on a few times and it should have been discredited at the outset. I'm not the only one here who's reported on it either. I'll see what I can find.

Thank you! :) I'll look forward to seeing it (and discussing it). I like a good back-and-forth.
46 posted on 03/27/2013 12:43:39 AM PDT by Hildred Castaigne
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To: little jeremiah

Just a long-time lurker, new-time poster.


47 posted on 03/27/2013 12:43:39 AM PDT by Hildred Castaigne
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To: scripter

This and the other two links are good stuff. I’m going to be reading and responding in depth; this is just to let you know that I’m not ignoring you.


48 posted on 03/27/2013 12:43:39 AM PDT by Hildred Castaigne
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To: Hildred Castaigne
When pro-marriage proponents have been challenged to produce this FDA/CDC data court, they have never been able to do so, most famously in the Prop 8 case. WHY have they not done so?

I don't know if that's been an issue as the data from the CDC is quite accessible:

Diagnoses of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2009
Diagnoses of HIV infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2008
Cases of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2007
Cases of HIV infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2006
Cases of HIV infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2005
Cases of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States, 2004 (Published in 2006)
Cases of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States, 2003
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) Risk, Prevention, and Testing Behaviors --- United States, National HIV Behavioral Surveillance System: Men Who Have Sex with Men, November 2003--April 2005
HIV among Gay, Bisexual and Other Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM)
HIV/AIDS among Women
I'm on the CDC mailing list. There's more. A lot more.
49 posted on 03/27/2013 7:10:07 AM PDT by scripter
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To: Hildred Castaigne

Thanks for the note. I probably won’t reply due to time constraints. Still, if you read the Hooker data already provided you will realize Hooker’s work is based on faulty and incorrect data.


50 posted on 03/27/2013 7:12:36 AM PDT by scripter
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