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Robert Spencer: Why I am not a conservative
Jihad watch ^ | Mar. 12, 2013 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 03/13/2013 9:14:53 AM PDT by AuntB

Over at Atlas Shrugs I discuss why the common categorization of me as "right-wing" is all wrong:

Many years ago, when I interviewed the great avant-garde saxophonist Charles Gayle, I asked him about bitter criticism he had received for his tendency to preach a pro-life message in the middle of his concerts. “Yeah,” he said with some amusement, “they always call me ‘right-wing.’ Man, I ain’t got no wings!” Neither do I. And as the events of the past week have shown, I am not “right-wing,” either; nor am I a conservative.

Throughout my public career, of course, the mainstream media has insisted that my colleagues and I are indeed “right-wing,” and often even “far right.” Since the “far right” is the label generally given to advocates of authoritarian government and racist discrimination, this label, as common as it is, is a sheer calumny, as we are not only opponents of both of those things, but foes of a system that advances both. If working to defend the principles of the freedom of speech, the freedom of conscience, and the equality of rights of all people before the law is “far right,” then we should all be “far rightists”; but in reality this label is just a tool of the enemies of those principles, used to discredit those who defend them.

But I am nonetheless generally considered to be a conservative. It is a label I have used myself, as a way of distinguishing my position from that of the liberals and Leftists who have generally sold out to the jihad, so blind in their hatred of Western civilization and the United States of America that they eagerly cast their lot with the foremost enemies of both. And on a practical level, that identification has been easy: Regnery Publishing, a foremost conservative publishing house, has published six of my twelve books. Many of my books have been endorsed by the late, lamented Conservative Book Club.

Nonetheless, for all that, I am not a conservative. You want a conservative? Mitt Romney is a conservative. He is still a key leader of the Republican Party, the party of conservatives, and he is addressing the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) this weekend. But during his presidential campaign, he called for the creation of a Palestinian state, which I oppose on the grounds that it will be used as a new base for jihad attacks against an Israel weakened by its creation. During his third debate with Barack Obama, he kept agreeing with Obama that the Syrian “rebels” and other forces of “democracy” in the Middle East had to be aided with our tax dollars – despite the fact that jihadis dominate the Syrian rebellion and that an Islamic state even more hostile to the U.S. than the Assad regime is likely to be the result of their victory. He has said that “jihadism” has nothing to do with Islam, which is just an absurd statement.

So if Mitt Romney is a conservative, which he undoubtedly is, then I must not be one. And then there is Grover Norquist, who is even more of a conservative than Mitt Romney. Norquist’s conservative bona fides are impeccable: as the leader of Americans for Tax Reform, he has a huge base of supporters among fiscal conservatives and the politicians who want their votes. But he also has extensive ties to Islamic supremacists. Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA) called Norquist out for this on the House floor in October 2011, saying of the anti-tax hero: “Documentation shows that he has deep ties to supporters of Hamas and other terrorist organizations that are sworn enemies of the United States and our ally Israel.” He pointed out that “around the years 2000 and 2001, Mr. Norquist’s firm represented Abdurahman Alamoudi, who was convicted two years later for his role in a terrorist plot and who is presently serving a 23-year sentence in federal prison.”

Despite this, however, Norquist remains such a powerful force among conservatives that he is a feared eminence gris at CPAC. Last year, his protege (and another conservative with extensive ties to Islamic supremacist Muslim Brotherhood groups) Suhail Khan boasted to me that I had been barred from speaking at CPAC because I dared to question the Muslim Brotherhood ties of some of its foremost figures.

And just last week, after my website www.jihadwatch.org overwhelmingly won a vote for CPAC’s “People’s Choice Blog Award,” John Hawkins of Right Wing News (whether on his own initiative, as he now claims, or as the errand boy of shadowy and unnamed higher-ups, as he initially told me over the phone) told me that I was not to speak about the Muslim Brotherhood ties of Norquist and Khan when I received the award. Needless to say, I could not accept this gag order, and will not be receiving the award: the truth is more important than a trophy.

But that was the end of my identification as a conservative. Grover Norquist is a conservative. Suhail Khan is a conservative. John Hawkins is a conservative. Thus I must not be one. I am not acceptable either as a speaker or an award recipient at the nation’s foremost conservative gathering. I must not be a conservative.

So what am I? I am an advocate of freedom: of the freedom of speech, of the equal treatment of all people under the law. Consequently, I am a foe of the global jihad and Islamic supremacism, which are enemies of both those principles. I know that there are many others like me, but neither party seems interested in us right now, and neither does the conservative movement, such as it is.

It is time for a new movement, a genuine movement of freedom, one that is not compromised, not beholden, and not corrupted. Are there enough free Americans left to mount such a movement? That I do not know. But I do know that if there aren’t, all is lost, and the denouement will come quickly – more quickly than most people expect.


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This is a must read for anyone who calls themselves 'Conservative' [snip]But that was the end of my identification as a conservative. Grover Norquist is a conservative. Suhail Khan is a conservative. John Hawkins is a conservative. Thus I must not be one. I am not acceptable either as a speaker or an award recipient at the nation’s foremost conservative gathering [CPAC}. I must not be a conservative.
1 posted on 03/13/2013 9:14:53 AM PDT by AuntB
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To: sickoflibs; Liz; Jim Robinson; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Servant of the Cross; dixiechick2000; ...

[snip]So if Mitt Romney is a conservative, which he undoubtedly is, then I must not be one. And then there is Grover Norquist, who is even more of a conservative than Mitt Romney. Norquist’s conservative bona fides are impeccable: as the leader of Americans for Tax Reform, he has a huge base of supporters among fiscal conservatives and the politicians who want their votes. But he also has extensive ties to Islamic supremacists. Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA) called Norquist out for this on the House floor in October 2011, saying of the anti-tax hero: “Documentation shows that he has deep ties to supporters of Hamas and other terrorist organizations that are sworn enemies of the United States and our ally Israel.” He pointed out that “around the years 2000 and 2001, Mr. Norquist’s firm represented Abdurahman Alamoudi, who was convicted two years later for his role in a terrorist plot and who is presently serving a 23-year sentence in federal prison.”

Despite this, however, Norquist remains such a powerful force among conservatives that he is a feared eminence gris at CPAC. Last year, his protege (and another conservative with extensive ties to Islamic supremacist Muslim Brotherhood groups) Suhail Khan boasted to me that I had been barred from speaking at CPAC because I dared to question the Muslim Brotherhood ties of some of its foremost figures.


2 posted on 03/13/2013 9:18:59 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

bkmk


3 posted on 03/13/2013 9:20:29 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: AuntB

>> “Since the “far right” is the label generally given to advocates of authoritarian government and racist discrimination, this label, as common as it is, is a sheer calumny, as we are not only opponents of both of those things, but foes of a system that advances both.” <<

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Anyone that has a modicum of understanding of politics knows that ‘Authoritarian government’ is a far left position, and that it is the leftists tha cherish racial issues.


4 posted on 03/13/2013 9:20:37 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: AuntB

Etch is a conservative? ROFLOL!! Only if conservatism is statism.


5 posted on 03/13/2013 9:24:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Leftists and RINOs (statists).


6 posted on 03/13/2013 9:25:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: AuntB

I think there is more than a bit of irony here. Not funny enough to be called satire, but definitely irony.

“So if Mitt Romney is a conservative, which he undoubtedly is, then I must not be one.”

Oh, yeah, sure.

And Grover Norquist. Well, perhaps he’s a fiscal conservative, but he sure isn’t a political conservative, unless you consider it conservative to be a friend and spokesman for Muslim terrorists. And somehow or other, he’s set up his fiscal conservatism in such a way that it never seems to actually accomplish anything—much like Ron Paul. Paul claimed to be a fiscal conservative, but he never accomplished anything in that line, while he constantly gobbled up pork for his constituents.

No question about it, Grover Norquist has to be exposed and broomed out. He is a big contributor to the constant splitting and division of conservatives that leads to the nomination and election of RINOs and liberals.


7 posted on 03/13/2013 9:26:40 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
And Grover Norquist. Well, perhaps he’s a fiscal conservative, but he sure isn’t a political conservative.

I personally don't believe its possible to be one without the other. In the case of Norquist, he's fine with open borders and the enormous costs associated with them. Then there is aide to muslim countries.
8 posted on 03/13/2013 9:29:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: AuntB

Mitt Romney defines what is a conservative? As does creating a Palestinian state? As does being hateful and racist? No thanks, Dr. Spencer; don’t define me that way.


9 posted on 03/13/2013 9:30:00 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: bboop

Not just conservative, but “severely” conservative.


10 posted on 03/13/2013 9:30:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: bboop

“Mitt Romney defines what is a conservative? As does creating a Palestinian state? As does being hateful and racist? No thanks, Dr. Spencer; don’t define me that way.”

THAT is exactly Spencer’s point.


11 posted on 03/13/2013 9:31:02 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

You can count the true conservatives in Wasington on one hand. As far as Islam, I have since 9-12-2001 advocated that a modern crusade be waged. It’s basically kill or be killed. And these bastard muzzies want to eradicate anything non-moslem world wide. Our society is too PC to admit it, and it will be our undoing.


12 posted on 03/13/2013 9:31:39 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: AuntB

bookmark.

Looking for a new label...


13 posted on 03/13/2013 9:35:13 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: AuntB
Why is he so quick to divest himself of the label of conservative. Why is he so willing to allow other self-described conservatives to hijack this term? Regardless, the terms left and right wing have no real bearing on the political process of America. We deserve better than to be described by terms borne out of the French revolution that took place decades after our own.

Mitt Romney is a liberal and always has been a liberal. Norquist, at the very best, is a neo-con but is probably another liberal plant like Romney. The Republican party has a dearth of liberal RINOs but that doesn't mean that the party still doesn't have some conservatives in it. It certainly doesn't change the concept of conservatism. Conservatism is greater than party affiliation.

By my definition, Conservatism starts and ends with the written meaning of the constitution as explained by our founding fathers.

14 posted on 03/13/2013 9:37:58 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: AuntB
Since the “far right” is the label generally given to advocates of authoritarian government and racist discrimination...

Personal pet peeve of mine as this right-left paradigm is based on the old European standards that is almost the opposite of the US view. What they were 'conserving' in the 19th Century Europe when this right-left labeling came in style, was the old monocrachy, authoritarian system. The 'left' were those of the enlightenment promoting individual liberty.

In the US, it was opposite as we were founded on the enlightenment basis of individual liberty. That Constitutional foundation is what we were trying to 'conserve'. The left here want to move away from that foundation back to a centralized ruler class like Europe.

15 posted on 03/13/2013 9:39:04 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: cripplecreek

I have to admit I had no idea that Grover Norquist was a muzzie supporter. Just knew about His fiscal thoughts.
But thats why I come here.


16 posted on 03/13/2013 9:40:06 AM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: AuntB
I am not acceptable either as a speaker or an award recipient at the nation’s foremost conservative gathering.

So basically this guy is just crying that he's not getting awards and speaking fees?

17 posted on 03/13/2013 9:42:55 AM PDT by ksen (". . . organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy" - Matt Taibbi)
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To: mnehring
Personal pet peeve of mine as this right-left paradigm is based on the old European standards that is almost the opposite of the US view.

The European left and right are pretty incomprehensible to me. Remember Pym Fortuyn, the far right flaming homosexual, anti islamist, Dutch politician who was murdered by muslims?
18 posted on 03/13/2013 9:44:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: reefdiver

He’s also an NRA board member which gives me pause.

http://www.meetthenra.org/nra-member/Grover%20Norquist


19 posted on 03/13/2013 9:46:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: AuntB

Spencer is a hero. God bless him. One of the few with courage to speak uncomfortable truths to his fellow man. He is hated, mocked, slandered, threatened and abused and still he stands.I wish I had a sliver of this man’s courage.


20 posted on 03/13/2013 9:48:21 AM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Durus

Regardless, the terms left and right wing have no real bearing on the political process of America
Perhaps the only way the term “right wing” would come into play is if there were a large movement to reunite the USA with the British Crown.

After all, the original “right wing” in France were feudal royalists who were willing to act as a rubber stamp for the monarch and were also against religious freedom while upholding a state church. (Funny how the left wing is much the same, although with atheism as the state “religion” and the Party in place of the monarchy . . .)
21 posted on 03/13/2013 9:48:33 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ksen
That is an interesting opinion. Do you think it's just sour grapes and Mitt Romney and Grover Norquist are good conservatives? Do you think the whiner needs to just shut up and let our elite betters leaders do out talking for us?
22 posted on 03/13/2013 9:48:37 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ksen

“So basically this guy is just crying that he’s not getting awards and speaking fees?”

Good grief! READ. NO! He got the award...was voted by the attendees. Norquist, Cardenas, teaparty.net TOLD him NOT to show up to accept it, if he had any criticism of Norquist!

I can’t believe how many people simply cannot, or WILL not follow this story! It’s not difficult!


23 posted on 03/13/2013 9:49:18 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: cripplecreek

Not surprising to me, it really does fit with what they were trying to conserve in regards to culture- European culture which is very centralized authoritarian (but also anti-Islam) but also more ‘out’ in regards to homosexualism. The entire concept of the out ‘Bon Vivant’, Dandy, etc, is just accepted there as part of the cultural identity.

Unlike what some say, we do not have a European culture here. Just the opposite. Even the ‘Bon Vivant’ isn’t looked at as an individual there but part of a certain class and is defined by that class identity. It is pretty minor in the big picture of the differences but it gets down to a class based authoritarian culture.


24 posted on 03/13/2013 9:51:10 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Durus

Since I’m not a conservative or a Republican I don’t have a dog in this fight. That sentence just seemed to stand out.


25 posted on 03/13/2013 9:54:41 AM PDT by ksen (". . . organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy" - Matt Taibbi)
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To: AHerald; reefdiver; All

“Spencer is a hero. God bless him. One of the few with courage to speak uncomfortable truths to his fellow man. He is hated, mocked, slandered, threatened and abused and still he stands.I wish I had a sliver of this man’s courage.”

Yes he is. I’m glad SOME of you can actually follow this story! Also is Pam Geller, also banned by CPAC for speaking against Norquists radical Islamic ties. See the checks here, written to Norquist’s Islamic Institute by a convicted radical Islamist.

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2013/03/pam-geller-robert-spencer-take-on-cpacs.html


26 posted on 03/13/2013 9:55:06 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Olog-hai
Even at the time the “Left wing” was made up of authoritarian mercantilist/Gramscians who simply wanted power for themselves. Their violent revolution and the “redistribution of wealth” that went on demonstrates that they were not concerned with liberty as anything other than a catch phrase.
27 posted on 03/13/2013 9:55:33 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ksen

What are you then?


28 posted on 03/13/2013 9:58:22 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: AuntB

I was on to Norky back when Frank Gaffney started raising the alarm


29 posted on 03/13/2013 9:58:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: AHerald; AuntB
Spencer is a hero. God bless him. One of the few with courage to speak uncomfortable truths to his fellow man. He is hated, mocked, slandered, threatened and abused and still he stands.I wish I had a sliver of this man’s courage.

Amen!

The irony covered in this article is spectacular. Looks as though many are missing it.

30 posted on 03/13/2013 9:59:55 AM PDT by Jane Long
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To: Durus

He’s Murrymon’s replacement.


31 posted on 03/13/2013 10:00:06 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Should be Murrymom’s replacement, the token liberal we keep around.


32 posted on 03/13/2013 10:00:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Durus
"It certainly doesn't change the concept of conservatism. Conservatism is greater than party affiliation." ____________________________________________________________ "By my definition, Conservatism starts and ends with the written meaning of the constitution as explained by our founding fathers."

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Formerly there were conservative Democrats, not so now.

Conservatives must be strong and stand up to scathing criticism heaped on them by the press if they are well known or TV personalities, sports stars, Movie stars, etc., our candidates are besmirched and torn apart for being normal clean living citizens. It is devastating to endure. Ala Sarah Palin. She faced it bravely and was not shut down. Her decision to not run must have been as a result of threats toward her family, or too low an approval to continue. Who can stand up to that? NONE OF US! MO!

Let us Thank the LORD for his daily blessings ...

God help America, in Jesus name amen.

33 posted on 03/13/2013 10:03:46 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: Durus; ksen; Lakeshark; C. Edmund Wright
What are you then? [ksen]

Welllllllll ....... we're waiting?!

34 posted on 03/13/2013 10:05:44 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: AuntB

It appears that, in a nutshell, Robert Spencer is saying he is not a “conservative” according to how the Ministry of Truth applies the label.

In that case, I guess I’m not a “conservative” either.


35 posted on 03/13/2013 10:06:43 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: AuntB
To British friends of mine, conservative means just what Spencer has written: authoritarian and racist. There's no convincing them otherwise. They're hard-core leftists, Marxists really, as anyone with a university education is in Britain, so anyone not pushing for their socialist utopia is a troglodyte.

I think the point of this article, apart from labels, is to wake up self-identified American "conservatives" to the fact that the spokesmen of the "conservative" movement don't share anything with us. In fact, they have it out for us.

36 posted on 03/13/2013 10:07:39 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: dfwgator

I am way nicer and more fun to hang out with than Murrymom. :foldarms:


37 posted on 03/13/2013 10:09:59 AM PDT by ksen (". . . organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy" - Matt Taibbi)
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To: Jane Long

If many are missing it, then it’s too obscure or perhaps does not really exist. The dismissive phrase “conservative movement such as it is” denies the existence of real conservatives.

And nobody likes the phrase “new movement” due to the implications.


38 posted on 03/13/2013 10:10:35 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Durus

I would classify myself as a progressive who’s a member of the Democratic party until something better comes along.

I think my progressive buddies and I feel the same way about the Democratic party that you and your conservative buddies feel about the Republican party so I can commiserate with you.


39 posted on 03/13/2013 10:11:50 AM PDT by ksen (". . . organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy" - Matt Taibbi)
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To: AuntB
The term "right-wing" is code-----a handy paintbrush with which liberals tar conservatves.

Watch the left as they cunningly label the rest of us as "right-wing." B/c in liberal-land, "right-wing" is code for horrid things like "judgementalism," "moral certitude," and, "religious piety."

That means we also lack the left's "enlightened values" — reason, tolerance, diversity, equality.

Quoting the left's intellectual mentor, author, Saul Alinsky: "They do not have a fixed truth -- truth to them is relative and changing..... they are free from the shackles of dogma." (from Rules for Radicals).

40 posted on 03/13/2013 10:17:00 AM PDT by Liz
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To: AuntB

That person’t conservative, so therefore I am not. Why not throw everybody out of the tent?


41 posted on 03/13/2013 10:23:02 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers; Jane Long

“It appears that, in a nutshell, Robert Spencer is saying he is not a “conservative” according to how the Ministry of Truth applies the label.

In that case, I guess I’m not a “conservative” either.”

You two get it!! THank you.


42 posted on 03/13/2013 10:23:58 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Actually I always considered myself to be a “classic liberal” more than anything. But the Marxists hijacked the term “liberal”.


43 posted on 03/13/2013 10:24:59 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ksen

“I would classify myself as a progressive who’s a member of the Democratic party until something better comes along.

I think my progressive buddies and I feel the same way about the Democratic party that you and your conservative buddies feel about the Republican party so I can commiserate with you.”

One of these days, both sides (grass roots that is) will figure out we’re all in this boat together, and if we don’t stop playing gotcha, we’ll ALL sink together.


44 posted on 03/13/2013 10:27:02 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: ksen
So basically this guy is just crying that he's not getting awards and speaking fees?

No. They also banned Pamela Geller from CPAC.
45 posted on 03/13/2013 10:29:23 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: dfwgator; cradle of freedom

“Actually I always considered myself to be a “classic liberal” more than anything. But the Marxists hijacked the term “liberal”

I hear you, dfwgator. A freeper put it well yesterday...

“First Norquist hijacked the word conservative and now he hijacks “tea-party.” If we thought up a new name for ourselves every week, Norquist would steal it from us every time.”
(Thanks, Cradle of Freedom http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2995687/posts?page=145#145)


46 posted on 03/13/2013 10:30:20 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: PA Engineer

“No. They also banned Pamela Geller from CPAC.”

Thank you! Along with David Horowitz, because he dared to bring out the truth.

David Horowitz speaks at CPAC 2011 » The Right Scoop -

This is Horowitz’s main message… exposing Norquist.
http://www.therightscoop.com/david-horowitz-speaks-at-cpac/


47 posted on 03/13/2013 10:37:54 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: ksen
I would classify myself as a progressive who’s a member of the Democratic party until something better comes along.

"Progressive" usually means something along the lines of wanting more and more government programs to make everything "fair" -- or essentially leftist redistributionism. Thus, from your comment, I take it you are a classic leftist who is dissatisfied with the Democrat party because it isn't far left enough and isn't dismantling what is left of our capitalist economy fast enough, but you still belong to the party because it is the closest thing we have to a true socialist party. Does that about sum it up?

48 posted on 03/13/2013 10:38:19 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Oratam; All
"I think the point of this article, apart from labels, is to wake up self-identified American "conservatives" to the fact that the spokesmen of the "conservative" movement don't share anything with us. In fact, they have it out for us."

YOU Nailed it!!

49 posted on 03/13/2013 10:39:05 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: jonno

How about calling ourselves Jeffersonians?


50 posted on 03/13/2013 10:48:23 AM PDT by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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