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Dr. Ben Carson: Your right to own a semiautomatic should depend on where you live
Hot Air ^ | March 4, 2013 | Allahpundit

Posted on 03/04/2013 3:07:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Via the Right Scoop and Mediaite, a point of divergence from conservative orthodoxy by CPAC’s newest scheduled speaker. The urban/rural distinction was actually a key part of Breyer’s dissent in the Heller case five years ago that established an individual right to bear arms under the Second Amendment:

[H]andguns are not only popular tools for crime, but popular objects of it as well: the FBI received on average over 274,000 reports of stolen guns for each year between 1985 and 1994, and almost 60% of stolen guns are handguns… Department of Justice studies have concluded that stolen handguns in particular are an important source of weapons for both adult and juvenile offenders. Ibid.

Statistics further suggest that urban areas, such as the District, have different experiences with gun-related death, injury, and crime, than do less densely populated rural areas. A disproportionate amount of violent and property crimes occur in urban areas, and urban criminals are more likely than other offenders to use a firearm during the commission of a violent crime… Homicide appears to be a much greater issue in urban areas; from 1985 to 1993, for example, “half of all homicides occurred in 63 cities with 16% of the nation’s population.”… One study concluded that although the overall rate of gun death between 1989 and 1999 was roughly the same in urban than rural areas, the urban homicide rate was three times as high; even after adjusting for other variables, it was still twice as high… And a study of firearm injuries to children and adolescents in Pennsylvania between 1987 and 2000 showed an injury rate in urban counties 10 times higher than in nonurban counties…

Finally, the linkage of handguns to firearms deaths and injuries appears to be much stronger in urban than in rural areas...

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; bencarson; guncontrol; secondamendment
[Groan]
1 posted on 03/04/2013 3:07:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For those of you, who didn’t already see it.

Some excerpts from “National Organizations With Anti-Gun Policies:”

http://www.ammoland.com/2009/02/anti-gun-national-organizations/
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=51640

[Some links to sources there.]

American Counseling Association
American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
American Psychological Association
Black Mental Health Alliance
National Association of School Psychologists
National Association of Community Health Centers

Ambulatory Pediatric Association
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Ambulatory Care Nursing
American Medical Women`s Association
American Medical Student Association
American Medical Association
American Association for the Surgery of Trauma
American Trauma Society
American Medical Association
American Counseling Association
American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Association for World Health
American Nurses Association
American Association of Neurological Surgeons
American Association of Family and Consumer Sciences
American Public Health Association
Association of American Medical Colleges
Black Mental Health Alliance
Congress of Neurological Surgeons
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
National Black Nurses` Association
National Association of Chain Drug Stores
National Assembly of National Voluntary Health & Social Welfare Organizations
National Association of School Psychologists
National Association of Pediatric Nurse Associates & Practitioners
National Association of Public Hospitals
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
National Association of Social Workers
National Association of Children`s Hospitals and Related Institutions
National Association of School Psychologists
National Association of Community Health Centers
National Council on Family Relations
National Organization on Disability
National Spinal Cord Injury Association
Physicians for Social Responsibility
Society of Critical Care Medicine

Related corporations:

BJC Health Systems
Blue Cross Blue Shield - Kansas City
General American - St. Louis (insurance)
Health Midwest
ICN Biomedicals
SSM Health System - St. Louis
Unity Health - St. Louis


2 posted on 03/04/2013 3:16:43 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Absolutely!

Here are the district where they should be legal.


3 posted on 03/04/2013 3:18:02 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thus ends the right's brief infatuation with Dr. Carson.

Truth is Doctor, I have the right to own an "assault" weapon, or any other weapon I can afford to purchase and care to own, anyplace I want to own it - for the same reason Rosa Parks had a right to ride on the front of that bus in Montgomery, AL all those years ago. It's not a question of "needs". It's my right.

4 posted on 03/04/2013 3:20:02 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I knew Carson would screw the pooch, sooner or later.


5 posted on 03/04/2013 3:21:04 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

the second amendment only applies in certain areas?


6 posted on 03/04/2013 3:23:57 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dr. Ben Carson - “City people are just too stupid to be trusted guns. Well, maybe single-shots. I’ll decide later.”

/s


7 posted on 03/04/2013 3:23:57 PM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969
trusted with guns
8 posted on 03/04/2013 3:25:14 PM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

If you look at the numbers, “urban areas” just become code for “urban blacks”.


9 posted on 03/04/2013 3:28:12 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: GeronL
Yeah. Rural, where you don't need it. Screws us guys that live in the city, where we're at most risk.

Back to the liberal roots goes he.


10 posted on 03/04/2013 3:30:28 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I knew he was to good to be true


11 posted on 03/04/2013 3:35:42 PM PST by k4gypsyrose
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To: Cyber Liberty

bump


12 posted on 03/04/2013 3:36:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, Dr. Carson—the 2nd doesn’t say anything about who can own what.

There are already way too many infringements on the Second Amendment (which shall not infringed) as it is.

Crawl back into whatever hole you came from and leave us the heck alone!


13 posted on 03/04/2013 3:46:11 PM PST by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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To: KC_Lion

If you live in one of those 50 colored blotches, your right to own a semiautomatic shall not be abridged.


14 posted on 03/04/2013 3:52:05 PM PST by bigbob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He didn’t even get his full 15 minutes in. So much with the rights infatuation of him. Good riddance. Do other liberties only apply in certain areas too? It is okay to force the quartering troops in MO but not WA.

Idiot.


15 posted on 03/04/2013 3:55:25 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He didn’t even get his full 15 minutes in. So much with the rights infatuation of him. Good riddance. Do other liberties only apply in certain areas too? It is okay to force the quartering troops in MO but not WA.

Idiot.


16 posted on 03/04/2013 3:55:38 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

so much for his political aspirations


17 posted on 03/04/2013 3:55:52 PM PST by drypowder
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He didn’t even get his full 15 minutes in. So much with the rights infatuation of him. Good riddance. Do other liberties only apply in certain areas too? It is okay to force the quartering troops in MO but not WA.

Idiot.


18 posted on 03/04/2013 3:55:59 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He didn’t even get his full 15 minutes in. So much with the rights infatuation of him. Good riddance. Do other liberties only apply in certain areas too? It is okay to force the quartering troops in MO but not WA.

Idiot.


19 posted on 03/04/2013 3:56:18 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Groan, indeed.
Our constitution (you know, that old fashioned relic, you can maybe find a copy buried away at the library?)
Our constitution provides no role for government in this matter. None at all.

And the constitution certainly also does not limit or define your rights according to whether you live in the city limits or outside them.

Barf! Why do so many people ignore our social contract in this country nowadays? (It is a pretty good one, especially when you look at those that are trying to destroy us -— Islamofascism, Communist Chin, ... maybe? One thing all the dictatorial or oppressive regimes have in common is “gun control to protect the people”)...go figure.


20 posted on 03/04/2013 3:56:28 PM PST by faithhopecharity (()
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To: basil

So you’re telling Dr. Carlson to crawl back into his hole based on a HotAir article?

I have no problem with Dr. Carlson because I wasn’t anointing him the 2016 Candidate. I merely recognized that he made a very articulate argument against Obama’s policies in the Great One’s presence.

I’m not willing to demonize every conservative because may not match my viewpoint on every issue. I just wouldn’t vote them.


21 posted on 03/04/2013 3:58:38 PM PST by HawkHogan
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To: Cyber Liberty
I knew Carson would screw the pooch, sooner or later.

WELL the doc has a pint here C/L why in the world should a ghetto mom be bestowed a powerful weapon with which to protect her family...? hahahhahahahaa (hey, that's not funny!) No record i can find of moms polled on this subject exists but i contend if they had their druthers these gals'd want at least as much fire power as the gangs have. I'm guessin the doc has never bothered to aks 'em either. ....He should have taken a read of experts on the subject...[the inestimable John Lott comes to mind].... BEFORE yappin away on RKBA.....so time to SDSTF doc...UNLESS you care to walk this back and come up with the right stuff...You can make an expert of yourself ....Mr Lott's books are widely available....i'm sure the inestimable MR. Wayne LaPierre would lend his copies out to you in a trice....soooo save yer rep....git to work...We're awaitin' and alistenin'



REVISE AND AMEND, HE MUST.....
22 posted on 03/04/2013 4:01:29 PM PST by jimsin ({I reserve the balance of my time})
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is a little OT, but does anyone else notice Bam’s sly move to flip the bird at Carson’s bird joke? It happens right at 4:50ish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFb6NU1giRA

23 posted on 03/04/2013 4:06:05 PM PST by ATriedSoul (These times.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Your right to own a semiautomatic should depend on where you live

Well, of course, because didn't give rights to people who live in predominantly black neighborhoods of Chicago. Right?

24 posted on 03/04/2013 4:06:08 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: HawkHogan

Dr. Carson already kicked conservatives to the curb this weekend as he denied SoCon issues should take precedence over fiscal issues. So these views on the 2nd should not be too surprising.


25 posted on 03/04/2013 4:08:54 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: HawkHogan
I agree that he should not be demonized. He is a very articulate voice for many values I share. However, in this instance he is also very wrong.

I also applaud Glenn Beck for letting Dr. Carson express his views in his own terms.

26 posted on 03/04/2013 4:09:12 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Okay, should we throw out the baby with the bathwater? I think if we pulled Dr. Carson aside and said, “Your other views are great. The way you handled the President at the National Prayer Breakfast was awesome. Now I realize you have never campaigned before, but the second amendment is a non-negotiable item”. Personally, I in no way agree with his position on guns. However I agree with a lot of the other things he says. Lets not send him to the gallows yet...


27 posted on 03/04/2013 4:09:12 PM PST by drinktheobamakoolaid (If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: k4gypsyrose
I knew he was too good to be true.

Dr. Carson is just like the others (Christie and Brown come immediately to mind) that certain Freepers are so anxious to support in the beginning, without knowing a lot about them. Then they find out more and are disappointed.

28 posted on 03/04/2013 4:11:21 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: drinktheobamakoolaid

Agreed. I was disgusted at Rand Paul’s vote for Hagel, but I won’t hang him for that alone. These are articulate people with good ideas. What we should do is engage them, and bring them around to our side on these issues. Come on, conservatives. If you can’t win over people who are already mostly conservative, what chance do you have of winning over most of America? I could change Carson’s mind about this in twenty minutes tops.


29 posted on 03/04/2013 4:14:53 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: drinktheobamakoolaid; InABunkerUnderSF

That’s exactly my point. Dr. Carson made Obama look foolish, and using scripture as his basis.

I completely disagree with him about the 2nd Amendment. However, I refuse to cast him aside based on these statements.

I didn’t always have strong beliefs on the 2nd Amendment myself. However, when I started studying the Con-Law, I became an ardent opponent of any form of gun control.

Let’s give him some time before we castigate him.


30 posted on 03/04/2013 4:14:53 PM PST by HawkHogan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Make them all illegal. Then I can own anything I want.


31 posted on 03/04/2013 4:19:54 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: ATriedSoul
Yeah, I saw that too. It was subtle, but definite.
32 posted on 03/04/2013 4:24:49 PM PST by k4gypsyrose
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To: drinktheobamakoolaid

I’m reading his book. He is way better than anyone else on the horizon. I doubt I will ever find anyone I agree with 100% on every issue. I love Allen West but didn’t agree with him on several things. Dr. Carson is still an amazing man and an amazing American.


33 posted on 03/04/2013 4:30:55 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Viennacon
Coalition politics can be a rough game. I'd never say we should overlook the gross stupidities of the Fiscal Cons by any means, but as long as they stay in their realm, and out of the broader more numerous Traditionalist issues (guns, birth, death, life, freedom, religion, etc.) they're better off with us than over there with the Democrats or on the fringe.

Romney made a really serious error by proposing that he was good enough to be President but he couldn't keep his mouth shut about putting gays in charge of the Boy Scouts, and gay marriage, and several other bits of clap trap and nonsense.

We should never put someone like that at the top of our candidates' lists again ~ that was beyond gross stupidity ~ it was terminal ~ and took down 12 Senate candidates with it!

34 posted on 03/04/2013 4:32:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: HawkHogan

ditto!


35 posted on 03/04/2013 4:32:40 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Dr. Ben Carson: Your right to own a semiautomatic should depend on where you live"

He's right. If you live within the borders of the USA and are a citizen you are allowed to own a semiautomatic weapon in fact you should own many of them. Well except me of course. I am a pacifist and don't own any guns.

36 posted on 03/04/2013 4:37:49 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: OldPossum

I think a lot of people are looking for a savior from this mess on earth we are facing. None of us as individuals will ever find a person to elect that thinks exactly as we do. We have to save ourselves by electing people that believe that we have the liberty to think as individuals.


37 posted on 03/04/2013 4:39:45 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Say good-night, Ben.


38 posted on 03/04/2013 4:55:37 PM PST by AdaGray (squi)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Say good-night, Ben.


39 posted on 03/04/2013 4:56:00 PM PST by AdaGray (squi)
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To: Rusty0604

Good point. I agree.


40 posted on 03/04/2013 5:11:47 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: HawkHogan
"Let’s give him some time before we castigate him."

Or maybe we should give him some time before we anoint him, as has been the case with some conservatives lately. We need to learn to vet these people.

41 posted on 03/04/2013 5:14:21 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dr. Carson, you have the right to sacrifice your life and freedom any way you want. You do not have the right to sacrifice my life or that of my family. In 1964 I swore an oath to defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic and to support the Constitution of the United States. That oath still binds me against misguided tools of tyrants like you — an ally of DOMESTIC enemies.
42 posted on 03/04/2013 6:17:38 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: OldPossum

“Dr. Carson is just like the others (Christie and Brown come immediately to mind) that certain Freepers are so anxious to support in the beginning, without knowing a lot about them.”

I agree. I don’t understand the need for cult-of-personality on the “conservative” side. But it’s there. There were brainless Bushbots all over FR in the early days of his presidency.

You saw it in the Christie cultists also (Ann Coulter, I’m looking at you)...

Remember “Arnold for President””Colon Powell for President””Condi for President,” all that mindless idiocy.

Try to form an intelligent thought, people.

I have an idea. Let’s vet these candidates. It could keep you from looking like a complete imbecile later.


43 posted on 03/04/2013 8:07:06 PM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Hey Rush, you forgot to tell us when to panic.)
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To: MasterGunner01

If you listen to Glen Beck’s video interview with him you’ll understand what he’s saying is true. There are some people (psychopaths, schizo’s, et al) who shouldn’t have access to guns.


44 posted on 03/04/2013 8:20:02 PM PST by imemyself
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To: k4gypsyrose
Compare his belligerent boy actions betwixt a pediatric brain surgeon! Why doesn't the msm ever call him on his adolescent behavior?
45 posted on 03/04/2013 8:28:42 PM PST by ATriedSoul (These times.)
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To: k4gypsyrose

Can you say “jumped the shark!”


46 posted on 03/04/2013 9:16:52 PM PST by JaguarXKE (Welcome to the new America.)
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To: imemyself
What Dr. Carson says has merit, but given the highly poisoned political climate, do you want government bureaucrats making life and death decisions about you?

It's already happening to vets in the VA system. Do you trust your personal medical records to Obama’s people? And, show me where some silly law in a book somewhere, that has actually prevented a crazy from getting a weapon to do nefarious deeds.

The largest mass murder [45 KIA, 58 WIA] in U.S. history was not done by a crazed gunman; it was done by Andrew P. Kehoe who used dynamite and flammable liquid. His reasons were (1) revenge for a defeat in the local elections and (2) personal (sick wife) and financial difficulties (farm in foreclosure). He blew up the Bath Consolidated School in Clinton County, MI. Kehoe had murdered his wife and burned his farm before attacking the school. As responders were attempting rescue of survivors and put out fires, Kehoe detonated his truck loaded with explosives at the site of his first attack. Here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

47 posted on 03/05/2013 8:49:01 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Who is the most thoroughly vetted potential candidate out there? Who has had the MSM digging through their every communication? Who has beaten down numerous bogus accusations of ethical offenses? Who has stood up to all the left has been able to throw? Who was largely responsible for the House gains in 2010? Who has actual executive experience running a large and diverse state?

Come on, people. This is not brain surgery. You know who I’m talking about.


48 posted on 03/18/2013 8:26:11 AM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel (And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?)
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