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Five Million College Grads in Jobs that Don't Require a High School Diploma
Breitbart's Big Government ^ | February 11, 2013 | Wynton Hall

Posted on 02/11/2013 8:05:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A new study finds that 48% of recent college graduates are now in jobs that do not require a bachelor’s degree, and 37% hold jobs that require just a high school diploma.

The study, titled “Why Are Recent College Graduates Underemployed? University Enrollments and Labor Market Realities," was conducted by the Center for College Affordability and Productivity using employment data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

"Student-loan programs and federal assistance programs are based on some sort of implicit assumption that we're training people for the jobs of the future," says Richar Vedder, director of the center and a professor emeritus at Ohio University. "In reality, a lot of them are not."

The study found that the proportion of over-educated workers is on the rise. In 1970, less than 1% of taxi drivers and 2% of firefighters held college degrees. Today, over 15% do in each profession. Moreover, five million college graduates are now in jobs that don’t even require a high school diploma.

Kristopher Del Campo, 23 and a senior majoring in psychology at DePaul University, says that many of his classmates fear today’s dismal job market and are instead opting for graduate school, which will make them even more overqualified for jobs...

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: economy; employment; immigration; underemployment; unemployment
I'd be willing to guess the majority are.
1 posted on 02/11/2013 8:05:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s no requirement that POTUS needs to graduate from HS, nor have ANY understanding of American History.


2 posted on 02/11/2013 8:08:30 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And for every single one of them that voted for Obozo,,,

I have ZERO sympathy...

3 posted on 02/11/2013 8:12:31 PM PST by THX 1138 ("Harry, I have a gift.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I know a PhD in Education selling used cars (and doing rather well at that).


4 posted on 02/11/2013 8:15:55 PM PST by mnehring
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The simple fact is that a lot of the jobs that require a college degree, really don’t. Seems that a good many college degrees are more a means of keeping professors employed than anything.

Someone with reasonable intelligence and ambition can learn just about anything on the job. I’m not going to trust a brain surgeon with OJT but I’m a high school dropout who learned to program, operate, and maintain robotics while managing a paint room full of painters.

College professors and their students should be on the cutting edge pushing the envelope in science and technology.


5 posted on 02/11/2013 8:20:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mnehring

I guess this is why we need more Indian EE’s. US College grads just aren’t prepared for the real job opportunities. Maybe the next generation will get the message.


6 posted on 02/11/2013 8:20:33 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ya think there may be something wrong here?


7 posted on 02/11/2013 8:22:07 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: cripplecreek

Many times, the first thing they ask you when you apply in person or online is if you have a bachelor’s degree. For jobs that really don’t require one.


8 posted on 02/11/2013 8:23:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Most entry-level jobs could be done without a college degree, the point is to eventually get promoted.


9 posted on 02/11/2013 8:24:23 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And there are plenty of high school grads doing work that should require a degree.


10 posted on 02/11/2013 8:28:01 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: THX 1138

>And for every single one of them that voted for Obozo,,,
>I have ZERO sympathy...

Not all college-grads are “young and dumb”, it took me a decade [almost] to get my bachelors (got interrupted a couple times w/ deployments).
Another question is what’s “recent”, within the last 2 years, 5, six-months?


11 posted on 02/11/2013 8:29:36 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The best engineer I ever worked with was a guy who worked 30 years on the shop floor before deciding to take night classes so he could work in the air conditioned design lab.

He actually understood that the things he designed had to translate into the real world through processes that had to be completed in a matter of seconds rather than hours.


12 posted on 02/11/2013 8:29:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Amen brother.
I have seen many a machinist become a programmer on his own.


13 posted on 02/11/2013 8:30:23 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: cripplecreek

Amen to that as well brother.
The best design engineers are folks that started repairing hardware.

It’s kind of like being a mustang officer.

There are lots of guys with book smarts that just don’t see some of the real world problems.


14 posted on 02/11/2013 8:35:15 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

I went to work in a bindery as a temp doing line labor and ended up as the sole operator and set up man on the most expensive complicated 3 knife trimmer in the shop.

I spent 3 weeks training with an angry east German who kept throwing my tools in the trash because they weren’t “minimeters”. I didn’t feel like I learned anything but when he left I was amazed to realize that I knew that machine inside and out.


15 posted on 02/11/2013 8:37:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I saw a sign once for a table waiting job that said “liberal arts majors need not apply”

LOL!


16 posted on 02/11/2013 8:40:02 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: cripplecreek

I always get to train the new supervisors and engineers.

I think I am getting ripped off LOL


17 posted on 02/11/2013 8:42:29 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

There are advantages to training your next boss.


18 posted on 02/11/2013 8:47:44 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, I suppose there are.


19 posted on 02/11/2013 8:50:25 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: cripplecreek

Quite frankly, I have turned down many promotions.
I know I am not made for management.
I haven’t the patience or demeanor for it.

10% of your people take up 90% of your time.
I would say something that was not politically correct.

Also, I always tell the new manager “congratulations, now you are going to get ****ed from both ends” LOL

We have a you fellow now that I trained, he will go very far in management, he has exceptional people skills and knows how to motivate people without upsetting them.

He is gifted at it, and I told him so.


20 posted on 02/11/2013 8:56:25 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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young fellow


21 posted on 02/11/2013 8:57:38 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

“The best design engineers are folks that started repairing hardware.”

The best engineers are the hot rodders of the 40s and50s.

If you wanted to go fast, you had to design it and then build it and then modify it until you had a record holder.

When our generation is dead and gone there won’t be anyone left with the ability to design and build from scratch.

We’re dying off fast and i’m glad I won’t be around to see the results!


22 posted on 02/11/2013 9:01:52 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

You can’t find tool and die makers anymore.


23 posted on 02/11/2013 9:03:46 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
You can’t find tool and die makers anymore.

Is there enough demand for it to make it profitable?

24 posted on 02/11/2013 9:14:53 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

There will be when the SHTF.


25 posted on 02/11/2013 9:16:12 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: OneWingedShark

“Is there enough demand for it to make it profitable? “

A good one can make well over $100K, and never be out of work.


26 posted on 02/11/2013 9:20:13 PM PST by dalereed
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To: OneWingedShark

Yes.
Many folks are looking for them.


27 posted on 02/11/2013 9:24:56 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Yes.
Many folks are looking for them.

Makes me wish I had a bit more experience [and training] with mechanical things.

28 posted on 02/11/2013 9:44:03 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: dalereed
>“Is there enough demand for it to make it profitable? “


A good one can make well over $100K, and never be out of work

Really? That'd be nice; to bad I have neither the skill nor the money needed to start an operation up.

29 posted on 02/11/2013 9:45:12 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Welders are in demand too.


30 posted on 02/11/2013 9:48:08 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Five Million College Grads in Jobs that Don't Require a High School Diploma

Well, we know that the jobs don't come with the phrase "Welcome to Walmart" because Walmarts have eliminated the store greeters. So, they must have jobs that come with the phrase "You want fries with that?"

31 posted on 02/11/2013 9:57:16 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: mylife

Well said.


32 posted on 02/11/2013 10:00:38 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: OneWingedShark

You can pick up decent trades with relative ease.

http://www.thefabricator.com/article/consumables/examining-the-finer-points-of-6010-6011-and-7018


33 posted on 02/11/2013 10:09:32 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Welders are in demand too.

I'd probably end up immolating myself... :/

34 posted on 02/11/2013 10:11:53 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I’ve done that. LOL
At least partially.


35 posted on 02/11/2013 10:14:49 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: freekitty

“Why, anybody can have a brain. That’s a very mediocre commodity. Every pusillanimous creature that crawls on the Earth or slinks through slimy seas has a brain. Back where I come from, we have universities, seats of great learning, where men go to become great thinkers. And when they come out, they think deep thoughts and with no more brains than you have! But they have one thing you haven’t got - a diploma.”

There it is, right there.


36 posted on 02/11/2013 10:43:54 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

High learning is a good thing.
But many a man was taught by high minded professors that he must think within “the box of dreams”

Global warming is a fine example.
Empirical evidence is dismissed out of hand.


37 posted on 02/11/2013 10:55:40 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Everything before “but” is BS. You’re not presenting much of a case for High Learning.


38 posted on 02/11/2013 11:22:09 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

High learning is fine, Many a Texas rancher has read Kipling and Socrates.

The notion that a piece of paper from a 3rd party makes one man more educated than the other is folly.


39 posted on 02/11/2013 11:27:40 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: dr_lew

What I find with most higher education is that it teaches people to work within taught parameters that reflect the teacher.
Many of our academics are brain washers, more than teachers

Oh they teach the math, but that is not what they emphasize.
They emphasis systems of thought.

Indoctrination

We will take the 2nd amendment for example.
Liberal college “perfessors” will dote over what the meaning of is, “Is” by citing the passage about a well armed “militia” while ignoring personal communiques on the 2nd amendment by the authors of the 2nd that clarify the matter with certainty.

If you dare challenge them they say the evidence can not be considered as it is not part of the Amendment, it is simply a personal letter.

Bah!!


40 posted on 02/11/2013 11:39:43 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
The notion that a piece of paper from a 3rd party makes one man more educated than the other is folly.

You're drifting. The first time around you averred that the teaching of the "high minded professors" was actually deleterious.

41 posted on 02/11/2013 11:43:47 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: mylife
Liberal college “perfessors” will dote over what the meaning of is, “Is” ...

Now you see, right there, you should have said ... "is", is ... you see? you see? ...

42 posted on 02/11/2013 11:54:54 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: OneWingedShark
Unless you voted for Obama, I wasn't talking about you.

Don't put words in my mouth...

43 posted on 02/12/2013 4:05:40 AM PST by THX 1138 ("Harry, I have a gift.")
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To: cripplecreek

“The simple fact is that a lot of the jobs that require a college degree, really don’t. Seems that a good many college degrees are more a means of keeping professors employed than anything.”

especially true in graphic design. you don’t need a master’s degree to teach intro any graphics software. rather have a teacher with no degree and 5 years experience in the software. most graphic design degree requirements are so artists who can’t make a living selling crap they call art can get a job. i have been to cherry creek arts festival and wouldn’t buy 40% of the stuff and would have to be paid to put another 40% of the stuff in my house. remaining 20% is quite good and i have bought some in the past.


44 posted on 02/12/2013 8:02:00 AM PST by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: bravo whiskey

When it comes to art, its no longer about quality, its about ideology.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2987705/posts?page=25#25


45 posted on 02/12/2013 8:04:08 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m not going to trust a brain surgeon with OJT

________________

Actually brain surgery and most others is mostly OJT


46 posted on 02/12/2013 8:28:50 AM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: DustyMoment
because Walmarts have eliminated the store greeters.

I wondered about that as I haven't seen the familiar old faces lately.

Maybe not financial suicide, but prices surely will go up to compensate for the increased losses. When I was a night stocker, they did away with night-time greeters and we started to have flat screens by the handful walk out of the store. In one case, the state police stopped a car for some reason and returned three screens to us that had gone out the door just minutes before.

47 posted on 02/12/2013 9:16:38 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Chickensoup
I’m not going to trust a brain surgeon with OJT
Actually brain surgery and most others is mostly OJT

There's a great line from "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai" that goes something like this:
A bunch of doctors are operating on a guy's brain when one starts probing with his finger. The Top Man says, "No, no, no! Don't touch that! You don't know what it may be connected to!"

48 posted on 02/12/2013 9:45:32 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka
When I was a night stocker, they did away with night-time greeters and we started to have flat screens by the handful walk out of the store.

Oddly enough, in a lapse of logic I will never understand, around the same time that Walmart ended having store greeters, they also said that they would not pursue any shoplifters boosting anything below a value of $300.

And, people wonder why Walmart is about to lose its discounter rating because of their price hikes!

49 posted on 02/12/2013 12:11:19 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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