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College presidents: Ban all guns from campuses
The Daily Caller ^ | February 5, 2013 | Robby Soave

Posted on 02/05/2013 12:59:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Campuses would be safer if more universities disarmed their students, said some college presidents who attended a conference Monday on reducing school violence.

The annual meeting of the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities was attended by Education Secretary Arne Duncan, and college presidents from around the country. One speaker, Oglethorpe University President Lawrence Schall, argued that the best way to reduce campus violence is to prohibit students and faculty from carrying guns.

“We believe that more guns makes us less safe, not more safe,” he said in a speech.

Schall is the author of an open letter to legislators urging them to oppose “legislation allowing guns on our campuses and in our classrooms.” Over 350 college presidents have signed the letter.

Such legislation prevailed most recently in the state of Colorado, where proponents of concealed carry laws have argued that instead of making people safer, campus gun bans actually put everyone at greater risk...

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Education; Politics
KEYWORDS: academia; banglist; college; democrats; guncontrol; gunfreezone; highereducation; secondamendment

1 posted on 02/05/2013 12:59:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The right of self defense does not end just because person walks into a college professor’s presence, a campus classroom, or otherwise enter a public building or location. It no more ends that the right to carry a book or newspaper or bible.


2 posted on 02/05/2013 1:04:31 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What’s the difference between the Yale Police Department and the New Haven Police Department (NHPD)? Who should I call?

YPD officers patrol campus and the area immediately surrounding it, while NHPD has jurisdiction for the entire City. Both police forces are comprised of armed officers with full arrest powers.
In case of an emergency always call 911, the call will go to either YPD or NHPD depending on your location. Either way, there will be a response to your location, either by the YPD alone or a joint response. To reach the YPD directly for routine non-emergencies call 203-432-4400.

http://publicsafety.yale.edu/faq


3 posted on 02/05/2013 1:04:31 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah - Gun Free Zones always work!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y9iQRSTzofw#!


4 posted on 02/05/2013 1:06:23 PM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Will they restrict the Police and security people from carrying as well> It would be the same thing as Andrew Coma not exempting police from having high capacity magazines in NY.


5 posted on 02/05/2013 1:08:02 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why don’t they go all the way and force the students to wear bulls eyes.


6 posted on 02/05/2013 1:08:58 PM PST by CMailBag
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If he really believes this, he should apply it to law enforcement on his campus as well.


7 posted on 02/05/2013 1:09:17 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Right - more “Gun Free Zone” signs. That sure worked at VTec.


8 posted on 02/05/2013 1:09:40 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: verga

He says they feel safer without guns so why let the police carry them.

Most students are as safe carrying guns as police officers and the ones who decide to come in shooting will only carry them the day they start shooting.Who will stop them?


9 posted on 02/05/2013 1:10:38 PM PST by Venturer
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To: CMailBag

More evidence that logic and common sense are absent from those running our colleges and universities. Gives credence to the phrase, “educated idiots.”


10 posted on 02/05/2013 1:11:34 PM PST by Tudorfly
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Our students probably would get better educations if most college presidents resigned.


11 posted on 02/05/2013 1:16:40 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There should be a caveat attached to the effect that colleges which implement a gun ban should held responsible and be open to suit by students who are the victim of an attack by gun taking place on campus.


12 posted on 02/05/2013 1:17:14 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Great idea-then there can be a contest among all the gun free campuses for a mass shooting of the month award...

If I wre a student in todays world, I wouldn’t consider going to a college that was a gun free zone for my higher education...


13 posted on 02/05/2013 1:20:43 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Campuses would be safer if more universities disarmed their students, said some college presidents some people too stupid to be college presidents.
14 posted on 02/05/2013 1:20:57 PM PST by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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To: SkyDancer
Before VaTech there was the situation where a neo-nazi from Danville Illinois who belonged to a group of mad bombers drove up to Chicago to shoot some Jewish people coming from prayers, and then drove to the Indiana University campus and began shooting up unarmed students, killing one young fellow as he was going to church.

Although guns had been banned on campus ever since a fellow blew his brains out in a dormitory, after this shooting enforcement became very lax and you could tell there were gun toting students on campus. They'd come to fear the roving terrorist killers more than the corrupt campus administration. (That was in the days of Miles Brand ~ who is now dead)

When the schools fail to make campus safe it's morally correct for the students to do so.

15 posted on 02/05/2013 1:21:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

While they’re at it how about banning college football to cut back on concussions?

Or banning abortions by students to avoid indiscriminate homicide?

Oh that’s a Constitutional right? Lemme see...hum..I do not see “abortion” mentioned but I sure see fire ARMS listed explicitly.


16 posted on 02/05/2013 1:23:38 PM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: muawiyah

I’m betting more are carrying - problem is, if they stop a shooter they’re the ones who’ll be in trouble and expelled.


17 posted on 02/05/2013 1:28:52 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Would the ban include law enforcement?

If not, by what logic does having a LEO with a gun increase safety, while a citizen with a gun increase danger?

18 posted on 02/05/2013 1:29:54 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: Tudorfly
Gives credence to the phrase, “educated idiots.”

And I would drop the "educated" ...

19 posted on 02/05/2013 1:32:23 PM PST by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: SkyDancer

Better to be expelled than to be out there pumping out your last ounce of blood on the pavement.


20 posted on 02/05/2013 1:37:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: oldbrowser

Yes, they believe that LEOs are trained professional while non-LEOs are amateurs more likely to shoot themselves or other innocent bystanders — that’s what they think. History does not always support their beliefs. In fact, often times non-LEO citizens are more experienced and more capable with firearms. Think of all the non-LEO IPSC/Three Gun Competitors out there who are not policeman. These people surpass most SWAT members in shooting experience. Regardless what they think, they are causing people to die because of their policies.


21 posted on 02/05/2013 1:44:20 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

22 posted on 02/05/2013 1:44:38 PM PST by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here is the Oglethorpe College President, Lawrency Schall’s resume:

Swarthmore ‘75 (barely co-ed then)
U. Penn Law
Liberal
Lawyer
Wife doesn’t carry his last name

http://www.oglethorpe.edu/about_us/our_president/schall_biography.asp


23 posted on 02/05/2013 1:51:10 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: 3Fingas
Absolutely. And if citizens aren't trained sufficiently, require more training.

In addition, weapons are an absolute necessity in a life or death situation. That's why LEOs carry them.

LEOs are not always at the scene, the potential victim always is. That's why they need to be armed.

24 posted on 02/05/2013 3:44:36 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: ArmyTeach

“should held responsible and be open to suit by students who are the victim of an attack by gun taking place on campus.”
I wouldn’t limit that to an attack “by gun” for several reasons. It’s incorrect to state that anyone anywhere has ever been attacked by a gun. They are attacked by a violent person wielding a tool. People have a right to defend themselves without regards to where they are and in many cases the use of a firearm would be justified if the attacker were unarmed.
I’d also love to see the same liability extended to all businesses that post their “no firearms” policies. Let them back their liberal ignorance with their wallets.


25 posted on 02/05/2013 4:14:29 PM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Any college or university that subscribes to this mindset is making a tacit admission that they are failing miserably in their mission to prepare their students for positions of greater responsibility.

Police departments, federal LE agencies, security companies and the military should treat diplomas from these schools as an indicator that the graduate is not responsible enough to handle a firearm.

After all, if the institutions responsible for educating their students and preparing them for their careers didn't trust them with firearms, why should the prospective employer?

26 posted on 02/05/2013 4:25:30 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: taxcontrol

How about banning all college professors from college campuses?


27 posted on 02/05/2013 7:57:32 PM PST by lu shissler (an take his naiv)
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