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1 posted on 02/03/2013 11:26:37 AM PST by walford
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It’s Societal Entropy. Nothing can stop it. Conservatives can slow it down, but eventually society will disintegrate as the lowest form of behavior becomes the norm.


2 posted on 02/03/2013 11:31:08 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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"Otherwise, the barbarians are not only at the gate, they have breached the perimeter."

The barbarians are not at the gate . . . they are the Gate Keepers and the Key Masters.

3 posted on 02/03/2013 11:51:33 AM PST by YHAOS
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Western Culture = Christian Culture.

Reject God and it will have to die — THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE.


4 posted on 02/03/2013 11:59:18 AM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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Yesteryear’s hoods and troublemakers seem quaint and innocent beside today’s appalling school murders, gang rapes and teenage mayhem...

Which demographic is responsible for most of that?

...Put together violent, porn-saturated electronic entertainment and armed, shame-free, unparented young men. Crazy things happen...

Again, which demographic is most culpable?

...Who is delinquent? A sociopath? A truant, an unwed mother, a rapist of drunken and unconscious girls, a meth addict or a mass murderer? Where does anybody rightly draw the line?

You could start by not ignoring the elephant in the room.Violent crime among Asians and whites is as low as it's ever been.

5 posted on 02/03/2013 12:05:46 PM PST by Ken H
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Meanwhile, the Boy Scouts are on the verge of allowing homosexuals. Apparently, the phrase morally straight no longer has any meaning. Once society rejects a common standard of morality, there is no stopping the plummet.


6 posted on 02/03/2013 12:51:03 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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Then there’s the more blunt and clear truth that most are afraid to write. It’s the answer to the question, “What was Charles Manson’s mother?” Our laws, business climate, academia and politics are built around her kind.


7 posted on 02/03/2013 3:20:09 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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Well, I do think there’s a flaw in human group psychology that leads to the collapse of empires: there is a particular set of circumstances that, whenever it arises, initiates a kind of sociological chain reaction that gradually builds over the course of several generations, causing people to progressively discard their morals and change their default behaviour towards each other from one of openness and friendliness to one of hostility and suspicion. The result is that what was a formerly cohesive society becomes increasingly divided, until it breaks apart completely into warring factions. Going on the past historical examples I’ve looked at, once it’s happened, what’s left of the empire can linger on for several centuries more, but the stuffing has been knocked out of it and it’s thereafter in a state of terminal decline.

The initiating event is simply that there’s a relatively sudden, significant empirewide increase in prosperity. That’s it. You could hardly imagine a more inocuous-seeming set of circumstances, but once it arises, there’s a short lull, followed by the emergence of increasing signs of corruption and social discord that continue to build until the formerly cohesive society breaks apart into warring factions (typically about 150 years later).

There are three historical examples I looked at: the ancient Romans, Greeks and Egyptians, and the collapse of the Roman empire in particular (since that’s the one where the historical record is best). The other two seem to have followed the same pattern though, and I think the same underlying process is actually behind most empire collapses throughout history.

In all three of those cases from ancient history, the sudden increase in prosperity was the result of a ruler who was also a particularly gifted military leader, and substantially enriched his entire empire through a series of glorious military conquests. For the ancient Romans it was the emperor Trajan, for the ancient Greeks, Alexander the Great, and the ancient Egyptians, Rameses II. In each case, about 150 years after the rule of the great leader, a formerly strong and cohesive empire had broken apart into warring factions. The Greeks didn’t quite last the full 150 years before being subsumed by the Romans; the other two limped along for several centuries after the nadir of corruption and infighting. The Romans even had a bit of a “dead cat bounce” with the emperor Constantine (just as the UK did recently with Margaret Thatcher). It didn’t last though, and Rome and Egypt were both ultimately overrun by enemies without ever recapturing anything remotely resembling their former glory.

In more modern times, the sudden, empirewide increase in prosperity has been more the result of industrialisation rather than military conquest, but I think the underlying cause is the same in both the ancient and modern worlds. So much money comes into the empire that there’s a significant trickle down of wealth to the poorest elements of society, and a large number of them are simultaneously lifted out of poverty into much better circumstances. That’s what starts the process, and I’ll explain how in due course if people are interested.

For the UK and Europe, the sudden increase in prosperity among the less affluent part of the population seems to have occurred about 200 years ago in the mid to latter half of the 19th century, a time when rapid improvements in science, technology and medicine were taking place, and when the British and other colonial empires were at their height. The process seems to have already run through to completion throughout Western Europe anyway, since corruption, paedophilia and all manner of perversions are rife, and the countries are host to hordes of hostile muslim immigrants (just as greater Rome became host to hostile Germanic tribes during the final few decades of its existence). I think the nadir for Western Europe was reached around the time of WW2, and while there’s since been a bit of a dead cat bounce, Europe is now in terminal decline nonetheless.

Going on what I’ve seen here in the UK, there is a good deal more to these empire collapses than first meets the eye. One interesting thing is that very few of the native population do any useful work. They’ve divided themselves up into two groups, one of which makes great show of managing and administering all manner of pointless things, while the other (the “working” class), devote themselves to scrounging for handouts. Neither group does anything useful though. Virtually all the work involved in the practical day to day running of the country seems to be performed by immigrant labour.

Other odd-looking things are that the most intelligent and most useful people tend not to have children, but instead devote all their resources into helping the most feckless, irresponsible members of society to breed. The entire social welfare system is heavily weighted towards encouraging the irresponsible to reproduce, to the point where they’re effectively forced to have children if they want to collect a decent level of handouts.

One truly bizarre thing is the business with windmills. All the working electricity generating plant is being decommissioned, and replaced with these colossally expensive and completely useless windmills. It’s driven up the price of electricity and gas to the point where thousands are dying every year from cold, and worse, it’s swallowed up all the budget that would have otherwise gone to maintaining and replacing the existing electricity generation infrastructure. The result is that the lights will be going out on a regular basis across large parts of Europe within the next few years. If you look at some of the other comments I’ve made, you’ll see how I think that without electricity modern cities will rapidly become uninhabitable, and be at high risk of burning down too. For a technology-dependent society such as ours, playing the fool with the electricity supply is little short of suicide. All in all, it seems remarkably like a large part of the population are subconsciously taking active steps towards the destruction of society as a whole.

Similar things appear to be afoot in the US, Canada and Australasia, but at an earlier stage because the process was initiated more recently (by the incredible across the board improvement in the standard of living that took place during the post-WW2 baby boom years). The process has recently been initiated in the Far East and China too, this time due to the sudden influx of money that accompanied the outsourcing of manufacturing from Western countries.

In short, the entire human race has now been primed to self destruct, and will do so if it continues much further on its present path. I think I understand what the problem is though, and if I’m right, catastrophe isn’t inevitable and there is a way of turning things around. I’ve said enough here for one comment, but if people are interested I can expand further on my ideas.


11 posted on 02/04/2013 4:46:51 PM PST by HughE
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