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Ramseys were indicted in JonBenet's death
United Press International ^ | January 27, 2013

Posted on 01/28/2013 3:41:53 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

BOULDER, Colo., Jan. 27 (UPI) -- A grand jury indicted John and Patsy Ramsey in their daughter's death in 1999 but the Boulder, Colo., prosecutor declined to try the case, jurors said.

The couple have maintained their innocence after finding their young daughter JonBenet Ramsey slain in the basement of their home on Christmas night 1996.

A grand jury convened in the case indicted the couple with a class II felony, child abuse resulting in death. Members of the grand jury and others in the case told the Boulder (Colo.) Daily Camera the panel handed down the criminal indictment, but District Attorney Alex Hunter declined to sign it, believing the evidence didn't amount to enough to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt at trial.

Grand juries are only required to determine probable cause to indict someone of a crime...

(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: colorado; crime; jonbenet; jonbenetramsey
Where's the poor thing's body?
1 posted on 01/28/2013 3:42:08 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought Patsy died years ago?


2 posted on 01/28/2013 3:44:21 AM PST by castowell (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: castowell

This was at the time, back in 1999.


3 posted on 01/28/2013 3:45:09 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Buried.

That was a weird case. Not to accuse them of anything, but I recall that they were renovating their house at the time of the child’s death and they didn’t keep the rug that Jon Benet died on. They replaced the rug during the investigation.


4 posted on 01/28/2013 3:47:08 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Where’s the poor thing’s body?”

She is buried in Saint James Episcopal Cemetery in Marietta, Georgia. Of course, her little spirit is with God.


5 posted on 01/28/2013 3:50:56 AM PST by momtothree
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To: momtothree

Thank you. It was so long ago I didn’t recall if they’d found the body.


6 posted on 01/28/2013 3:55:26 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve studied this case in-depth for several years now and always come to the same conclusion: one or both parents were responsible. However, I don’t believe it was premeditated. Something happened that caused a parent to snap (possibly JonBenet’s chronic bedwetting) and for myriad reasons, he/she/they decided to cover it up.

For me, the biggest piece of evidence that points to an “inside” job is the 2-and-a-1/2 page ransom note. No killer writes something like that. Plus it was written on a pad found in the house with a pen/sharpie found in the house.

I believe Patsy was the main perpetrator, and John knew or understood later what had happened and went along with it. Patsy died a few years back, probably taking the secret to the grave with her. However, there is still hope that John Ramsey, or his son Burke, who was in the house that night, may still tell all they know.

One word of caution if you decide to study this case: be prepared to drive yourself almost crazy. The story has as many twists and turns as the Ramsey’s sprawling Boulder home. However, you can maintain your sanity by remembering Occam’s Razor: “When you have two competing theories that make the same predictions, the simpler one is the better”.


7 posted on 01/28/2013 3:58:26 AM PST by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Kharis13

Not discounting what you say, but I thought DNA evidence exonerated both Ramseys a few years back?


8 posted on 01/28/2013 4:01:40 AM PST by Student0165
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe they found the body in the basement of the family home. That is what was sort of weird with the case (among other things as well). The child was abducted from her own bed, removed to the basement, molested and strangled. The abductor left a ransom note (written on paper from the home) and her little body was discovered after the police arrived to investigate a kidnapping. I have the feeling that this is one of those cases that will never be solved. A lot of people thought the Mother did it or the brother. However, there was some sort of DNA left on the body that didn’t match the family. I always wondered if a stalker didn’t see her at one of the kiddie beauty pageants and got into the house to bide his time.


9 posted on 01/28/2013 4:02:50 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Kharis13

Good grief! Where did the unknown DNA come from if one of the parents did this?


10 posted on 01/28/2013 4:07:03 AM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In the fake ransom note there was a demand for $118,000. A very odd amount, except that John Ramsey had reportedly received that exact amount as bonus at work a couple of years earlier. The ransom note was written on one of the Ramsey’s notepads, using one of their pens. Whoever did it was someone who knew in detail about the Ramsey’s finances and took the time to sit down inside the house and write out a fake ransom note, probably minutes after the murder occurred. One of Patsy Ramsey’s paint brushes was used to make the garrote.

John Ramsey was ruled out as the author of the note based on handwriting analysis. Patsy Ramsey could not be ruled out as the author of the note.


11 posted on 01/28/2013 4:15:41 AM PST by Stevenc131
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Moot now.

She has appeared before the ulitmate Judge...

12 posted on 01/28/2013 4:23:26 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: Stevenc131
Since a handwritten note would surely be evidence...I'd say that eliminates the Ramseys. The idea that either one of them was being clever....that's just plain dumb.

The amount.....The bonus ticked someone off. I believe the notepad and pen was right there in the house.

A weird and sad case indeed.

13 posted on 01/28/2013 4:58:48 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: momtothree

Very wealthy area....Probably lots of illegal or legal help. A gardener, a maintenance man, an employee or related to an employee.....someone who knew the house....


14 posted on 01/28/2013 5:02:38 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Kharis13

I more or less agree with you. I think JonBenet died accidentally, perhaps from horsing around with her brother, and the parents flipped out and tried to make it look like an abduction/murder. Wasn’t there a stun gun found in the home at the time?

I believe that Patsy wrote the “ransom note” in an attempt to cover their tracks. But unless the father or brother talk, the whole story will never be known.


15 posted on 01/28/2013 5:33:56 AM PST by IndyTiger
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To: LeonardFMason
Good grief! Where did the unknown DNA come from if one of the parents did this?

Excellent question. The trace DNA that was found did not exonerate the Ramsey's, it simply makes known a previously undetected DNA source at the scene. It was from skin (not semen) so most speculate it was on the panties JonBenet was wearing at the time it was packaged. Keep in mind, JB had been redressed, wearing different clothes from what she went to bed in---according to Patsy. That package of oversized underwear disappeared and hasn't been found. (The Ramsey's admitted to buying the package, even though they were too big for JB.) There are so many odd facts in this case, with the pineapple in JB's stomach being one of the strangest. As I mentioned in an earlier post, this case is full of rabbit trails and can make you go a little crazy trying to track down what's true and what isn't. There are basically two camps in this case: RDI, Ramsey's Did it, and IDI, Intruder Did It. The strongest argument the IDI camp has is "What's the motivation? Mom's don't kill their kids". Au contraire, parents kill their children quite often. However, most cases are not as salacious as this. Tread lightly when looking into this case. It can quickly become all-consuming. One thing's for sure, that little girl has NOT received justice.

16 posted on 01/28/2013 5:45:01 AM PST by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Student0165

No. We all have “unknown DNA” on our clothing at any time. It doesn’t prove anything.


17 posted on 01/28/2013 5:50:56 AM PST by iowamark
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To: LeonardFMason

There was speculation from one of the investigators, that the DNA was from the factory where the underpants were made. The pair she had on when she was found were new out of a package in the home, and were too large...or that she had borrowed new underpants from a friend (she had lots of bathroom issues). I can’t remember which it was.

Incidentally, this investigator wrote a book (i read it a while ago) and came to the conclusion that Jon Benet wet her bed, mom was really irritated, and while cleaning her up, mom either shoved her or yanked her, causing her to hit her head on the tub (or sink?) in her bathroom. Serious head injury resulted. Mom panicked and set up the kidnapping/ransom scenario.

I’m typing this from memory, so some of the details might be slightly different, but the “mom did it and here’s how/ why” part is right.


18 posted on 01/28/2013 7:01:13 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: castowell

I thought Patsy died years ago?

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She died in June 2006. But what does that have to do with this story?


19 posted on 01/28/2013 7:14:34 AM PST by deport
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To: coop71
Incidentally, this investigator wrote a book (i read it a while ago) and came to the conclusion that Jon Benet wet her bed, mom was really irritated, and while cleaning her up, mom either shoved her or yanked her, causing her to hit her head on the tub (or sink?) in her bathroom. Serious head injury resulted. Mom panicked and set up the kidnapping/ransom scenario.

I believe that was Steve Thomas who wrote the book. His theory of what happened that night makes the clearest sense of this odd case. Most people who don't accept it do so on the belief that "a Mom doesn't kill a daughter she loves dearly". If only this were true.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I stick with Occam's Razor when analyzing this case: the simplest answer is most often correct. O.R. also states that "one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything".

In order to make the Intruder Theory work, we have to increase the entities to an almost absurd level, beginning with the ransom note. No killer sits down, in the house of the victim, and writes a 2-and-a-1/2 page ransom note WITH A PEN FOUND IN THE HOUSE ON A NOTEPAD ALSO FOUND IN THE HOUSE.

On a side note, my family and I were living in Cheyenne, Wyoming in 1996 and my folks had come out for Christmas. We all remember how much fun we had that Christmas Eve and morning, followed by the feeling of sickness that came over us as we watched this case begin to unfold later that day. Boulder isn't that far from Cheyenne. As we were celebrating a joyous Christmas, just south of us a young girl's life was being brutally ended.

20 posted on 01/28/2013 7:31:05 AM PST by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Kharis13

I meant to say the feeling of sickness that came over us the NEXT day, as the case first hit the airwaves.


21 posted on 01/28/2013 7:34:48 AM PST by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: coop71

Incidentally, this investigator wrote a book (i read it a while ago) and came to the conclusion that Jon Benet wet her bed, mom was really irritated, and while cleaning her up, mom either shoved her or yanked her, causing her to hit her head on the tub (or sink?) in her bathroom. Serious head injury resulted. Mom panicked and set up the kidnapping/ransom scenario.

Her main cause of death was a garrat around the neck, I think the mom shoved her, she fell over and hit her head and went comatose and her mom freaked out and killed her rather than face any sort of child abuse charges...

If her mom had called 911 and got her hospitalized for her head trauma she would have recovered and she could have claimed she tripped and fell or something, but her mom was so vicariously living through her she went completly koo koo when that all seemed to fall apart...


22 posted on 01/28/2013 7:35:23 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Kharis13

[ In order to make the Intruder Theory work, we have to increase the entities to an almost absurd level, beginning with the ransom note. No killer sits down, in the house of the victim, and writes a 2-and-a-1/2 page ransom note WITH A PEN FOUND IN THE HOUSE ON A NOTEPAD ALSO FOUND IN THE HOUSE. ]

Kidnappers usually snatch and grab first, then the ransom note comes back later several hours or even a day later. Or if it is preplanned the note is written ahead of time and left at the site of the abduction.

This was a GIANT red flag concerning this and pointed to it being a sloppy attempt at the perp who was an insider trying to cover their arse.


23 posted on 01/28/2013 7:40:33 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Kharis13

[ In order to make the Intruder Theory work, we have to increase the entities to an almost absurd level, beginning with the ransom note. No killer sits down, in the house of the victim, and writes a 2-and-a-1/2 page ransom note WITH A PEN FOUND IN THE HOUSE ON A NOTEPAD ALSO FOUND IN THE HOUSE. ]

Kidnappers usually snatch and grab first, then the ransom note comes back later several hours or even a day later. Or if it is preplanned the note is written ahead of time and left at the site of the abduction.

This was a GIANT red flag concerning this and pointed to it being a sloppy attempt at the perp who was an insider trying to cover their arse.


24 posted on 01/28/2013 8:05:21 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Kharis13

You’re correct. It was Steve Thomas. It’s a pretty good book. I didn’t follow the case too closely at the time. It was *always* on the news it seemed and I kind of tuned it out (I was in my mid-20’s, self absorbed, etc.). But I find it so sad and curious a case now. I can see how tragic it was at the time, as you so aptly described your experience, now that I’m older.

You are so correct on Occam’s Razor! I believe the pen was capped and put back, too. What kidnapper does that?


25 posted on 01/28/2013 8:11:29 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I recommend this book.Kolar does a good job of putting all the other theories to rest.The reader is left with the impression of Burke not realizing he harmed his sister and the parents covering it up.Works well with Grand Jury saying indictment on child abuse.At this point no-one can be prosecuted because of the statue of limitation.
“Foreign Faction - Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet? [Hardcover]
A. James Kolar (Author)”
“A former lead investigator in the JonBenet Ramsey homicide case breaks six years of silence. Foreign Faction blows the cover off the lone-intruder / sexual predator theory and reveals startling new evidence that heretofore has only been seen by a select few. Explore the journey of these discoveries, and determine for yourself who really was responsible for the kidnap and murder of the childhood beauty queen, JonBenet Ramsey.”


26 posted on 01/28/2013 8:18:54 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Kharis13
For me, the biggest piece of evidence that points to an “inside” job is the 2-and-a-1/2 page ransom note. No killer writes something like that. Plus it was written on a pad found in the house with a pen/sharpie found in the house.

This is the part that always bothered me. The child's body was found in the basement of the house. Who would write a ransom note, then leave the body in the house? If an outsider did it, they would have removed the body and hidden it somwhere, hoping that the ransom would be paid before the body could be found.

27 posted on 01/28/2013 8:19:08 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: GraceG

I agree. Such a shame.


28 posted on 01/28/2013 8:23:48 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: Student0165; Kharis13

The was one sample of DNA, bu very microscopic in that it
could have been from the manufacturing process, etc.


29 posted on 01/28/2013 8:36:37 AM PST by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: Sacajaweau

Supposedly, the only people that knew the amount of the
bonus was the board members an John/Patsy Ramsey.
Odd that the ransom note was for the exact amount of the
bonus.


30 posted on 01/28/2013 8:40:31 AM PST by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Considering every media outlet who claimed the Ramsey’s murdered JonBenet have been sued and lost/settled out of court with the Ramseys....UPI may want to seek competent legal counsel.

If the grand jury truly indicted the Ramseys...this would have been mentioned years ago...not 2013.

People should realize that the media does not accurately report on these high-profile cases....anyone familiar with the George Zimmerman case is aware of this fact


31 posted on 01/28/2013 8:49:41 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: deport

“The couple have maintained their innocence”

The use of the word “have” indicates present tense and although they are describing what happened in 1999, the article was published yesterday and does not distinguish the quote came from 14 years ago.

It was just an indictment of the author of the article.


32 posted on 01/28/2013 11:55:34 AM PST by castowell (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I believe this was a case where a Democratic bureaucracy (including the DA) was on a jihad to take down a wealthy family to earn political points.

It was extremely tragic.

33 posted on 01/28/2013 12:37:06 PM PST by what's up
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To: SeminoleCounty
It seems UPI is trying to dredge up this case for some reason...why?

Helps with the gun-control jihad in CO perhaps?

34 posted on 01/28/2013 12:42:05 PM PST by what's up
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To: castowell

Thanks. Your point is valid.


35 posted on 01/28/2013 12:50:15 PM PST by deport
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