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Democrats Crank Up Death Panel Talk Following Obama Win
Market Daily News ^ | January 1, 2013 | Kurt Nimmo

Posted on 01/26/2013 1:23:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Now that Obama has secured another four years in the White House, it is time for the administration to crank out more Obamacare propaganda, specifically arguments about the cost ineffectiveness of keeping old people alive.

Enter the internet’s liberal bellwether, Salon.com. Earlier today, the website posted an article by Matthew Yglesias, a blogger and Democrat operative who spent time at the Soros’ project, ThinkProgress.

According to Yglesias, old folks are “the key issue in the federal budget” and their welfare accounts “for the remarkable lack of apparent cost effectiveness of the American health care system.”

“When the patient is already over 80, the simple fact of the matter is that no amount of treatment is going to work miracles in terms of life expectancy or quality of life,” he writes.

Yglesias offers a chart to make his point.

Indeed, the chart reaches its steepest incline between the ages of 80 and 90. For the actuarial minded, however, the problem begins with those who have crossed the 60-year-old threshold.

In other words, following Mr. Yglesias logic, if the government is going to address the “remarkable lack of apparent cost effectiveness of the American health care system,” steps need to be taken to reduce cost at the lower end of the curve.

We can now expect more and more Democrats to talk about what was heretofore unmentionable — death panels. Yglesias, in fact, uses the phrase in his headline...

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: 113th; 2008electionbias; abortion; bho44; bhohealthcare; dealthpanelgraph; deathpanels; demagogicparty; elderly; euthanasia; healthcaregraph; obama; obamacare; obamaliedgrandmadied; obamalies; palin; sarahpalinwasright; seniors; zerocare
She was right!
1 posted on 01/26/2013 1:23:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yglesias: “Kill your parents, and give my illegal friends the money!”


2 posted on 01/26/2013 1:28:36 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they have no problem killing babies, they have no problem killing the elderly. That is the quickest way for them to solve their entitlement problem.


3 posted on 01/26/2013 1:29:14 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Salon.com

Seriously? Who cares what the nut jobs over there say/think/post?

4 posted on 01/26/2013 1:34:45 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dingbat is loose with the technical. Steepest incline looks between 68-78.


5 posted on 01/26/2013 1:35:30 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My buddy is in his 80s and just got a spinal cord fix. He is shooting 80s at golf and enjoying life.

Liberals are murderers.


6 posted on 01/26/2013 1:39:41 PM PST by y6162
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She usually is...

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7 posted on 01/26/2013 1:41:00 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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Freepers, your Contributions make every difference!
Please keep ‘em coming! Thank you all very much!

8 posted on 01/26/2013 1:41:06 PM PST by RedMDer (HEY LIBS! GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS AVAILABLE NOW. I DARE YA!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ok, let’s start with the senile b@stards in Congress.


9 posted on 01/26/2013 1:41:39 PM PST by patriotsblood
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To: Cold Heart

The author, Yglesias, is a very old 31-32 year old. He’s gonna regret the sh-t out of his writings in about 15 years. He’ll be an old fart by 50. Death panelled by 60.


10 posted on 01/26/2013 1:43:18 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“The first part of the Yippie program is to kill your parents. And I mean that quite literally, because until you're ready to kill your parents, you're not ready to change this country.” Jerry Rubin

And now his buddies from the 60s are in charge...

11 posted on 01/26/2013 1:43:34 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Cicero

Come on man, not everyone with a spanish surname is an illegal alien. It’s crap like this that has us painted as racist idiots and we need to knock it off. Going after the man’s bullshit politics is one thing, but assuming he is an illegal is over the top.


12 posted on 01/26/2013 1:43:34 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
THE IMPOSITION OF OBAMACARE/ROMNEYCARE
AND DEATH PANELS BY MYTH ROMNEY,
THE “SWIMMER” AND THEIR TRAINED FELON.


13 posted on 01/26/2013 1:43:57 PM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When my mother was dying at age 90....they did every test there was...twisting and turning her poor litle body evry which way instead of just letting her rest. I can still hear her moans during these unnecessary tests.

My sister had the power to say "no more tests".

This is where your old people monies go....not to "care"...but to milk the system.

14 posted on 01/26/2013 1:44:43 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Actually it looks like the steepest incline is from 65 to 80.


15 posted on 01/26/2013 1:45:39 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: patriotsblood

Let’s start with George Soros. He’s over 80. Time for him to go.


16 posted on 01/26/2013 1:46:20 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: justa-hairyape

Can’t wait for the idiot liberals to fall victim to their own carefully laid plans. He’ll awaits another idiot.


17 posted on 01/26/2013 1:47:18 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: justa-hairyape

Can’t wait for the idiot liberals to fall victim to their own carefully laid plans. Hell awaits another idiot.


18 posted on 01/26/2013 1:47:42 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is the same party that holds Margret Sanger up as a heroine.


19 posted on 01/26/2013 1:47:58 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A progressive new holiday tradition is trying to be born.
Santa comes on the 25th and the grim reaper on the 31st.


20 posted on 01/26/2013 1:48:58 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So we can all have government healthcare—except for when we really need it!


21 posted on 01/26/2013 1:50:47 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: justa-hairyape

One of the reasons congress excluded themselves. They plan on drawing the taxpayer fund pension as long as they can.


22 posted on 01/26/2013 1:57:35 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: sean327

I translated his position as, “give my illegal friends the money.” I did not say that he is an illegal. But he is one of many liberal progressives who argue that we should give unlimited amnesty and free medical care to illegals.

Or, to mention another example, give in-state tuition rates to illegals from other countries, but not to American citizens from other states.


23 posted on 01/26/2013 1:58:50 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yet again.


24 posted on 01/26/2013 2:02:21 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Cicero

This is literally a thank you Baby Boomers for voting for me, now drop dead.


25 posted on 01/26/2013 2:21:20 PM PST by tbw2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Matthew Yglesias huh? Somebody needs to tell that boy. Running around talking about who he thinks needs to just die, is a good way to get his own lamp blowed out.
People are sometimes funny like that.

And i know it’s a shock, but some people over 80 are happy thay are alive.

This is gonna end in a war being forced upon us as the only alternative to death. They are determined to attack us on all fronts, and even discuss our death. They are sure we will knuckle under,, i don’t think we will.


26 posted on 01/26/2013 2:33:24 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any member of a “ Death Panel” that decides any member of my family is to be “eliminated” had better be prepared to join them!


27 posted on 01/26/2013 2:33:46 PM PST by 21st Century Crusader (August 26, 1191)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDheXEIxWas

The future of doctors and deciders


28 posted on 01/26/2013 2:35:09 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: jsanders2001

Can’t wait for the idiot liberals to fall victim to their own carefully laid plans.

Old rich liberals are exempt, but once they achieve their goals the old poor liberals are no longer needed.


29 posted on 01/26/2013 2:39:01 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: Drango
Seriously? Who cares what the nut jobs over there say/think/post?

Unfortunately the vast majority of "blue staters" do.
Salon is one of the left's most influential thought leaders.

30 posted on 01/26/2013 2:51:00 PM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: Cicero

Implement it you fascists and we old people will be coming for you...you won’t survive it.

FUBO & FAD


31 posted on 01/26/2013 2:53:15 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: y6162

I read somewhere that a country can be morally judged simply by the way it treats it’s very young and very old. Let’s see we murder millions of babies in the womb, and soon we will be like Britian who had a doctor report that they encourage the death of at least 130,000 elderly per year. I guess those who are calling for the death panels now don’t ever think that they will ever be old.


32 posted on 01/26/2013 3:21:58 PM PST by kagnew (u)
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To: y6162

I read somewhere that a country can be morally judged simply by the way it treats it’s very young and very old. Let’s see we murder millions of babies in the womb, and soon we will be like Britian who had a doctor report that they encourage the death of at least 130,000 elderly per year. I guess those who are calling for the death panels now don’t ever think that they will ever be old.


33 posted on 01/26/2013 3:22:12 PM PST by kagnew (u)
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To: patriotsblood
Ok, let’s start with the senile b@stards in Congress.

They seem to think that when all hell breaks loose, they will remain unscathed, when in fact, they'll be first.
34 posted on 01/26/2013 3:36:22 PM PST by crosshairs (All we are saying, is give a high cap piece a chance.)
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To: y6162

Good that he got it now because in a few years, he might not have that option.

I cringe at our future.


35 posted on 01/26/2013 3:48:53 PM PST by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Of course. It was obvious from the start. I predicted they would let the old people die, refuse treatment to men with prostate cancer, and use the money instead for sex-”change” operations, AIDS treatments, and abortion.


36 posted on 01/26/2013 4:13:19 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


37 posted on 01/26/2013 6:05:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Sacajaweau

This is where your old people monies go....not to “care”...but to milk the system.
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I see this same abuse with my parents-in-law who are both in their 80s. Their doctors have recommended every test imaginable for them. Finally, my father-in-law said, “no more”. They were driving an hour one-way for most appointments, depleting their minimal resources and tiring them out further...


38 posted on 01/27/2013 12:32:23 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby

One of my great aunts was in an auto accident (not her fault incidentally, she was a passenger) that broke her hip and pelvis. She was 82 at the time. Got both completely reworked and lived, independently, until she was 97. Gardened in her own backyard and grew veggies for all her neighbors, cooked meals for ‘shut ins’ in her church that a neighbor delivered. Crocheted my kids baby blankets. Should we have just let her die with the pain pills at 82?

My own grandfather had kidney failure at 78. Six months of dialysis and his kidneys started working again. He lived, independently, until he was 90. He also gardened extensively, split his own firewood and led bible study classes. Should we have just terminated him at 78 instead?


39 posted on 01/27/2013 12:38:51 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Not at all! I do not want them to die... The doctors put them through all these tests, though, and then tell them nothing can be done as the health conditions of their bodies could not withstand the surgeries... Just makes no sense to me, and I applaud my father-in-law for standing up to them.


40 posted on 01/27/2013 1:02:14 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby

The people you’re agreeing with re: healthcare for the elderly don’t make any such distinctions. They view *any* intervention as ‘unnecessary’ and ‘wasteful’. In the UK, NOBODY over the age of 60 receives dialysis unless they pay for it. Because the authorities have stated, forthrightly, that there isn’t any return on the investment in that procedure for people so close to retirement.

Once you view medical care in terms of the states ‘return on investment’ you’ve lost any humanitarian argument.

I am completely in favor of allowing anyone, especially the elderly, to *voluntarily* refuse medical care or tests if they so desire. Refusing to give granny a new hip because she’s over 65 isn’t voluntary. But it’s entirely in our future.

Hope your mom (and mine) has a ‘new hip’ nest egg set aside. In something other than FRN’s. She will probably need it. Along with plane fare to some more civilized country as I look for Ocare to completely outlaw private transactions of that sort. They’d rather get their 55% of grandma’s nestegg when she dies than let her spend it as she sees fit while she’s here.


41 posted on 01/27/2013 2:17:08 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's time for an end run around all of this. It may well be a very good thing when Christians can no longer put so much of their faith into man's medical system for their health. They will finally be highly motivated to learn to accept and believe in the fact that Christ is their health, physically, as well as spiritually, or they will remain miserable, crippled and even die. It's time for we Christians to find out what the Bible means when it is Written:

Psalms 103:1 ¶ [[[A Psalm] of David.]] Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, [bless] his holy name.

103:2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:

103:3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

103:4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;

103:5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good [things; so that] thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.

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Isaiah 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

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Mathew 8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with [his] word, and healed all that were sick:

8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare [our] sicknesses.

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1Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

42 posted on 01/27/2013 2:52:36 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The really stupid thing is that when people look at that graph they do not ask the questions that are screaming to be answered: Why are the costs of the aging in the USA so much higher than other countries? What are we doing that is different? What can we do differently so as to not need or be getting all of this medical attention? How much of it is pushed on us by the medical field that wants to soak up all the government money that it can? Why are they charging Americans so much more for the same drugs and health care than they are charging people of other countries? Are we eating things here that other nations do not eat, at least not nearly as much of as other nations, such as tons of highly processed foods full of chemical additives and low on actual nutrition? There are so many questions that need to be answered and they are not even being asked. It is so much easier to just kill old people than to do our homework and change what obviously needs changing. Never is there ever an excuse or reason for murder, but these people seem to love it.


43 posted on 01/27/2013 3:05:21 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Cicero

Guess they don’t know about God’s Commandment:

“Honor thy Father and thy Mother.”


44 posted on 02/23/2013 9:47:52 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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