"Nothing comes from nothing and nothing ever could."
Posted on 01/16/2013 4:41:13 PM PST by EveningStar
For Zack Kopplin, it all started back in 2008 with the passing of the Louisiana Science Education Act. The bill made it considerably easier for teachers to introduce creationist textbooks into the classroom. Outraged, he wrote a research paper about it for a high school English class. Nearly five years later, the 19-year-old Kopplin has become one of the fiercest — and most feared — advocates for education reform in Louisiana. We recently spoke to him to learn more about how he's making a difference.
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Science is of use in explaining and predicting the natural world. Creationism is useless.
It just goes to show that one person CAN make a difference!
I am here to say I have nothing to say.
But I will watch with... interest.
I am sort of interested in suggestions on how to dispose of the billions of artifacts in geology and other Earth Sciences that point to only one possible theory.
And those who think a Scientific Theory is a Guess all growed up (AGW is NOT a Scientific Theory by any proper application btw).
Other than that, I got nuthin’
Thanks in advance for the fun.
/watch mode
And when science can’t explain something, you can just make up something that sounds sorta right and claim it is science.
much of what is taught in science class these days, is not science
Exactly........the ‘facts’ and ‘truth’ of the humanist religion of evolutionism, is whtever they NEED it to be
“Science is of use in explaining and predicting the natural world. Creationism is useless.”
While it has its uses, science has played a huge role in the demise of “Western civilization” over the last 100 years. Now the science geeks, espousing much of what Nazism brought to the fore, can stand back and watch as the Earth is inherited by Creationists...
Scientists can never explain the origin of the universe, and the Big Bang is absurd per their own arguments; if matter is finite, the Tooth Fairy (can’t say “God”) triggered the creation of all matter...from an “explosion”...
Hitler believed in fixed kinds and that Germans were created in the highest image of God. Creationism is only a prominent belief in America among the less educated and in Muslim nations.
Of course its useless to you...you see it as an enemy to your religion of science when they go together just fine. I don’t require you to believe neither should you do the same to others. The provable aspects of science are not in conflict with Christian faith but you demand that we say they are with statements like this one. The theoretical aspects yet unproven dont worry me nor should they worry you. The dismissal of the possibilities creationist’s bring to the table show the closed minds that exists.
Have you ever noticed how people on the right who feel strongly about an issue are called “extremists”, while those on the left are called “activists?”
Hitler believed in fixed kinds and that Germans were created in the highest image of God. Creationism is only a prominent belief in America among the less educated and in Muslim nations.
The fossil record doesn't support half the nonsense evolutionists come up with, no one has ever proven a Big Bang, and I don't see any dogs with gills, or talking fish - their fossils seem to have disappeared too.
And strangely enough animals seem to decide to wallow over to one area and die in large groups so their fossils can be found together. Fossilized trees have been found that extend through multiple layers of sediment - you know that stuff that take millions of years to deposit, because trees can grow with fossilized roots, because they evolved that way.
And clams at one time had legs, but evolution said they didn't need them which is why seashells are found near the top of Mt. Everest - definitely a more plausible story than a catastrophic event such as a flood of Noah's Ark proportions.
Cannot a competing "theory" held by a considerable number of Americans also be taught as well?
LOL, I just read that postmodernism reality is only in your mind and the physical world does not exist. Gotta love scientists and philosophers. Your computer only exists in the reality of your mind. No wonder kids are losing theirs.
Science is not at all in conflict with my Christian faith, neither does it conflict with the faith of most Christians who have no use for creationism.
I do find it amusing how most are unable to make an argument for creationism without an ignorant assumption that anyone arguing against is an atheist.
Science is not at all in conflict with my Christian faith, neither does it conflict with the faith of most Christians who have no use for creationism.
I do find it amusing how most are unable to make an argument for creationism without an ignorant assumption that anyone arguing against is an atheist.
When you and yours are prepared to deal scientifically with the issues raised by such works as Darwin's Black Box, and not by attacking people, be sure to give me a call.
Creationism is not a scientific theory it is a religious belief.
John Wheeler, of MTW ( Misner, Thorne and Wheeler, the authors of the big black "phone book" on GRAVITATION ) wrote ( and it's in the book ) to the effect that if you take all the equations and write them on the floor of a room, and stand back and wave your arm and command them to fly, not one of them will take flight, but the universe "flies". In other words, the universe seems bound to remain an ineffable mystery to us.
That may or may not be true about creationism. I don't think you are right about "fixed types," though. More here. But not being either a biologist or a theologian, Hitler mixed up concepts without much regard to theoretical consistency.
“Creationism is only a prominent belief in America among the less educated and in Muslim nations.”
Creationism is a prominent belief in the cultures (in America and otherwise) that believe children are worth having; someday they will be all that is left, and maybe out of the kindness of their hearts they will tend the pet cemeteries of the evolutionists from the days of yore...
REALLY? Then I'm going to ditch my belief in God's Word right now, because fitting in with self-satisfied intellectual nitwits is what matters to me! /s
So is evolution.
At least there are witnesses to mine.
What I find troubling is that this student activist claims to be a champion of science yet makes very unscientific claims such the one where he suggests that if a child is not taught a strict narrow secular/atheist form of evolution in a public school they will not be able to operate as a research scientist or save wetlands. It is not only unscientific but patently untrue. The bulk of the scienitists that produced our modern world of science and medicine were believers in creation even if they all weren’t creationists in the very narrow interpretation that the scientific left wish to lump all creationists into which is the “young earth” creationists.
The truth is I don’t much care but I will err on the side of freedom. If public funds can be used to promote a liberal political agenda in schools let us have an open playing field. Kids will grow up and what they learn or do not learn about evolution or any number of other topics will not prevent them from achieving success if they are worthy of it. Given the amount of crap that passes for science and education in public schools and I’m intimately familiar because I did attend them I don’t believe allowing public funds to teach kids in ways approved by their parents is a threat at all. The world will go on and the technical aspects of biology will not change either way. I don’t understand the fear myself. It is irrational just as this student activist is an irrational moron who commits the same sins of ignorance that he sees in his opponents.
“In other words, the universe seems bound to remain an ineffable mystery to us.”
Now that doesn’t sound very scientific, does it?
Evolution is absolutely a religious belief. You can’t prove it, can’t observe one species become another species, can’t repeat it or set up testable events. It is simply an act of faith that Evolution is “real”.
Too often politics replaces the scientific method. Just look at global warming/climate change. It is all politics, and getting the next grant, not science.
“Outraged, he wrote a research paper about it for a high school English class.”
O.K., without getting into any debate about “creationism”, what the above quote tells me is that the high school “English teacher” sees assisting and inciting kids to get political as part of the teacher’s role in teaching.
For a mere course in English there is little cause for the topic to have even come up. But the education of teachers, in the college courses they take to become teachers and in the mission statement of the college with respect to the training of teachers, includes teaching teachers to, and how to, infuse the Marxist/Progressive/Liberal political agendas into every course.
Hitler said an animal of one type would always be that type in Mein Kamph. Kamph
But such guilt by association is nonsense, I felt obliged to point out the reality in response to the all too typical attempt at revisionists history equating evolution with nazis.
More particularly, it’s “apologetics”, a theory constructed in defense of Biblical Literalism, as they see it. From my POV Creationism strays very far from biblical literalism ( small “b” small “l”. ) In fact, the template for 20th century Creationism, as expounded by e.g. Henry Morris, can be found in Thomas Burnett’s Sacred Theory of the Earth, written circa 1690, and described in S.J. Gould’s TIME’S ARROW, TIME’S CYCLE. Burnett was accused of atheism in his time for espousing the same rationalistic scenarios which nowadays brand Creationists as radical religionists.
"Nothing comes from nothing and nothing ever could."
We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That it seems to me is the attitude of even the most intelligent being toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand those laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. Albert Einstein (1929)
Science knows how to kill an unborn child. It takes Creationism to teach us that abortion is generally, if not categorically wrong.
Retard.
If I plate a bacteria out, blot it on ten different plates - then subject it to ten different stresses - I will get a heat resistant strain through evolution, a cold resistant strain through evolution, an antibiotic resistant strain, etc, etc.
No scientific theory can be proven. One cannot observe the Bohr model of the atom, but the Bohr model of the atom is of use. If someday it is replaced with a mores useful model - horay! Until then it is the only scientific model currently in use.
Science knows how to kill an unborn child. It takes Creationism to teach us that abortion is generally, if not categorically wrong.
They are at it again Beep!
A foundational Christian belief (indeed of all traditional Monotheists) is expressed in the Apostles Creed, which begins: I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
This affirmation of God as Creator is repeated in subsequent doctrinal formulations which are accepted by all Christian churches, such as the Nicene Creed:
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.
It is the duty of anyone who claims to be a Christian to affirm the fundamental belief in God as Creator. Granted, the creative process is shrouded in mystery, and surely transcends human comprehension. However, whatever their belief in the development of species, Christians are bound to affirm God as Creator.
Those who claim to be both Christians and evolutionists might want to consider Francis Schaeffer's "Ghost in the Machine" analogy:
Suppose someone who is given to myths and superstitions insists that the clock in the tower above the town square is actually powered by ghostly figures. To which a rational person would respond: "Any sane person can see that the clock is operated by a nuts & bolts mechanism of gears and levers. You are free to believe it is due to some mystical 'power,' but it is quite certain that your superstition is utterly superfluous." I.e., the clock works perfectly well without an imagined "ghostly presence."
Likewise, Christian evolutionists may insist that some unseen Divine power lies behind the process of evolution, to which evolutionists respond: "The mechanisms of evolution are well-established and fully explicate the existence of the universe and all that is in it without resorting to some invisible mystical force."
The term "affirm" is important - and quite revealing: you who are so quick to defend the Infallibility of scientists and to "affirm" the theory of Evolution, are you also as ready to affirm the historic Christian belief in God as Creator?
The most destructive people in America, and in the world today, are the supposedly "educated". It ain't that they don't know nuthin', it's that what they "know' just ain't so. They think they know everything, like our "Demander 'n Chief".
Those who pose the greatest threat to the world at this time are "intellectuals" who are overloaded with false "facts" and "knowledge", often in the guise of science. They are followed by those who are almost void of knowledge altogether.
[ They are at it again Beep! ]
Even the stupid qualify for redemption...
You need not be smart to be redeemed..
The redemption lottery can be laughed by “WINNERS”...
Throwing their ticket into the trash..
When they find out what they did with their ticket..
Mentally..... “it” might seem like a lake of fire.. (to them)..
“IT”, what is the IT?... AH!..its the stuff dreams are made of...
I will cover that next week in a symposium.. for those stupid enough to attend..
Bacteria becoming resistant to penicillin? Not interesting.
Fruit fly developing different wings? Big yawn.
Show me a reptile becoming a mammal.
Evolution says that animals of one Class can become members of a different Class. Show me that. Go into a lab and get it up as a demonstration. But you can't do that, can you? All you have is Faith that at one point, things like that happened. Just not lately.
Scientific rationalists (and their supine "Christian evolutionist" lackeys) are guilty of a stunning arrogance and hubris, full of unquestioning faith in their own Dogmas, imagining that with their finite, limited minds, on this speck of dust on the edges of one of billions of galaxies, they have solved the Mysteries of the Universe...
I see absolutely no conflict between the reality of God’s creation and the scientific truth of the big bang. I find nothing more awe inspiring than the thought of God saying ‘Let there be light’ and the universe appearing before him from nothing.
I see absolutely no problem with God-directed evolution.
"There is no god but the failed theology student Charles Darwin and Stephen Hawking is his prophet (or profit) or whatever." Many of them also believe in "global warming" or "global climate change" or whatever this week's pc term for climate bullshit may be.
Yep. On the right, the liberals call it “extremism”. On the left, they’re called “activists”. - Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! (laughter to keep from busting).
For the purposes of Obama’s gun grab, if you’re Tea Party, you’ll be labeled an “extremist” by Holder, and, as such, you’ll be disallowed a gun. The “Occupy Crowd” will probably be issued firearms due to their “exemplary” behavior.
The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” - So, I no longer argue with them. It’s a waste of time, and it makes the piggys mad besides.
Evolution is not a religious belief, it is a theory based on evidence and observation. If that makes it a "religious belief", then the theory of gravity is a "religion" too. I have not seen one study on world religions ever list "Evolutionism" as a religious belief.
“Many hold tenaciously to a strange view that theism is by definition excluded by science. Such a position is not logical, since theism or atheism is a product of one’s assumptions. I unashambly start not only from a theist position, which rather than be contradicted by my scientific enquiries, is confirmed by them, but also recognize that God can reveal himself to us, and this I believe He has done in Jesus Christ.” Andrew McIntosh
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