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If Obama Can Just Create A Trillion Dollar Coin, Then Why Do We Have To Pay Taxes?
Townhall ^ | 01/12/2013 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 01/12/2013 11:20:33 AM PST by SeekAndFind

If Obama Can Just Create A Trillion Dollar Coin, Then Why Do We Have To Pay TaxesIf Barack Obama can "solve" the debt ceiling crisis by printing up some trillion dollar coins, then why does the federal government need our money? As another debt ceiling showdown approaches, many in the liberal media are suggesting that if Congress does not raise the debt ceiling that Obama should just have the U.S. Treasury create a trillion dollar platinum coin and use it to pay our bills. It sounds crazy, but many notable voices (including Paul Krugman of the New York Times) are supporting this idea. But if the federal government has had the power to create trillion dollar coins out of thin air all this time, then why do we have to pay taxes? Not only that, why do we have a national debt? If the federal government can just create money whenever it wants, then why does the federal government ever have to borrow it from others? The U.S. Constitution actually grants Congress the power to "coin money", so why is the Federal Reserve doing it? Those are some very important questions. Most Americans don't even realize that the U.S. government never actually needed to borrow a single penny from anyone else. The U.S. Congress has the authority to create debt-free money whenever it wants to. Conceivably, the entire federal government could be funded without ever borrowing a single dollar and without ever receiving a single dollar from any of us in taxes. Just imagine that - a nation without a single penny of national debt, no income tax and no IRS. What a wonderful world that would be. Of course there would be other potential dangers under such a system (such as runaway inflation), and those dangers would have to be addressed. But the truth is that we don't have to have an income tax or 16 trillion dollars of government debt. We only have those things because we have chosen to have those things.

Sometimes, a crisis can illuminate options that most people had not considered previously. As another debt ceiling crisis draws closer, many are looking for ways for the U.S. government to be able to continue to pay its bills if Congress does not authorize an increase in the debt ceiling.

If a debt ceiling agreement is not worked out, the U.S. government will soon only be able to pay about half the bills that are coming due after interest payments on the national debt (which will almost certainly be prioritized) are made.

That is why a lot of people on the left are pushing the "trillion dollar coin" alternative. So how would this work exactly? The mechanics were recently explained by Jim Pethokoukis on his American Enterprise Institute blog...

There are limits on how much paper money the U.S. can circulate and rules that govern coinage on gold, silver, and copper. BUT, the Treasury has broad discretion on coins made from platinum. The theory goes that the U.S. Mint would create a handful of trillion dollar (or more) platinum coins. The President would then order the coins deposited at the Fed, who would then put the coin(s) in the Treasury who now can pay all their bills and a default is removed from the equation. The effects on the currency market and inflation are unclear, to say the least.

In my opinion, if anyone in the federal government is going to be creating money out of thin air, it should be the U.S. Congress. After all, according to Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, it is the U.S. Congress that has been granted the authority to "coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures".

But those that are pushing Obama to create a "trillion dollar coin" point to a law that Congress passed that allows the U.S. Treasury to mint platinum coins. The following is from a recent CNN article...

Normally, the Federal Reserve is charged with issuing currency. But U.S. law, specifically 31 USC § 5112, also grants Treasury permission to "mint and issue platinum bullion coins and proof platinum coins."

This section of law was meant to allow for the printing of commemorative coins and the like. But the Treasury Secretary has the authority to mint these coins in any denomination he or she sees fit.

But it wouldn't quite be that easy. According to a recent ABC News article, some elements of the coin design would have to be determined by legislation...

The more difficult part comes sometime after the decision is made to coin the platinum and before the Mint gets to work in sculpting the pieces.

At that point, the American people must decide whose face will adorn the trillion dollar trinket. The process to determine the “specs” of the coin, U.S. Mint Public Affairs Specialist Genevieve Billia warns, must be “determined by legislation,” creating the potential for another congressional impasse.

So we would likely end up back at square one.

But if printing up a "trillion dollar coin" does not work out, Paul Krugman of the New York Times has come up with another option...

Don’t like the platinum coin option? Here’s a functionally equivalent alternative: have the Treasury sell pieces of paper labeled “moral obligation coupons”, which declare the intention of the government to redeem these coupons at face value in one year.

It should be clearly stated on the coupons that the government has no, repeat no, legal obligation to pay anything at all; you see, they’re not debt, and therefore don’t count against the debt limit. But that shouldn’t keep them from having substantial market value.

Of course there is a very, very low probability that any of these wild ideas will ever be tried, but this debate has raised some very interesting points.

The truth is that we do not have to have a system where more money is only created when more debt is created. We could have a system where the federal government directly creates debt-free money that is spent directly into circulation by the federal government.

In fact, this has happened before.

As I have written about previously, during the presidency of JFK a limited number of debt-free United States Notes were issued by the U.S. Treasury and spent by the U.S. government directly into circulation without any new debt being created. In fact, each bill said "United States Note" right at the top.

Unfortunately, after JFK's presidency no more debt-free United States Notes were ever issued.

But even before JFK, there were times when debt-free United States Notes were being used. According to Wikipedia, United States Notes were first used during the Civil War....

They were originally issued directly into circulation by the U.S. Treasury to pay expenses incurred by the Union during the American Civil War. Over the next century, the legislation governing these notes was modified many times and numerous versions have been issued by the Treasury.

So why are we using debt-based Federal Reserve Notes today instead of debt-free United States Notes?

If the Federal Reserve did not exist and the U.S. government directly created money instead of borrowing it, it is conceivable that we could have a national debt of $0.00 today instead of $16,432,707,263,449.56.

Which option do you think our children and our grandchildren will wish that we had opted for?

In a system where the government directly created money, it is also conceivable that we could completely do away with the income tax and the IRS completely. The U.S. once prospered greatly without an income tax, and it could do so again.

And the truth is that our system of taxation is broken beyond repair. If you doubt this, just read this article.

So what would the downside be to such a system? Well, of course rampant inflation would be a huge danger. Allowing Congress to print up money whenever they wanted to would be playing with fire. That is why it would be imperative for there to be a hard cap on what the federal government could spend. For example, you could set the cap on spending by the federal government at 20 percent of GDP. That way we would hopefully never end up looking like the Weimar Republic.

And the current federal debt could be paid down a little at a time using newly created debt-free currency. This would have to be done slowly to keep inflation under control, but it could be done.

Of course if you wanted to continue to fund the federal government through taxation, there are other options that would still allow you to do away with the income tax. For example, one of the ways that our founders intended for the federal government to be funded was through tariffs, and we could definitely raise a lot of money that way. Plus, that would have the added benefit of making American companies much more competitive again and it would reduce the flow of American jobs out of the country.

So am I in favor of having Barack Obama create a trillion dollar coin to get around the debt ceiling crisis?

Most definitely not. If it does not violate the letter of the Constitution (which I believe it does), it sure does violate the spirit of it.

But if the U.S. Congress decided to shut down the Federal Reserve and the IRS and they decided to abolish the income tax, and instead they started directly issuing debt-free currency directly into circulation, that is something I would very much be in favor of.

Yes, that system would not be perfect either, but it would be far more preferable to what we have today.

So what do you think? Should we keep our current system of debt-based money, or would a system of debt-free money be better?



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Society
KEYWORDS: coin; debt; platinum; trilliondollars

1 posted on 01/12/2013 11:20:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Indeed.

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2013/01/12/debt-star-federal-debt-increased-by-113-since-q2-2008-but-real-gdp-increased-by-only-2-6/


2 posted on 01/12/2013 11:22:21 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: SeekAndFind

Indeed.

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2013/01/12/debt-star-federal-debt-increased-by-113-since-q2-2008-but-real-gdp-increased-by-only-2-6/


3 posted on 01/12/2013 11:22:21 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: SeekAndFind

Could we just punch out 100k dollar coins for everyone in the US, and just let us spend them? Give every adult two or three, and every kid at least one. We could jack up the economy into turbo, and fix all our problems overnight.


4 posted on 01/12/2013 11:24:07 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: SeekAndFind
Most Americans don't even realize that the U.S. government never actually needed to borrow a single penny from anyone else. The U.S. Congress has the authority to create debt-free money whenever it wants to. Conceivably, the entire federal government could be funded without ever borrowing a single dollar and without ever receiving a single dollar from any of us in taxes. Just imagine that - a nation without a single penny of national debt, no income tax and no IRS. This is the most preposterous bullshit I've ever seen. Free money, from thin air. Wow.
5 posted on 01/12/2013 11:31:01 AM PST by youngidiot (God help us.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why doesn't the Treasury just skip the lying and print a trillion dollars? IE that's what this idea is.

Strange Days: Print Two-One Trillion Dollar Coins to Solve Debt Ceiling Crisis?

Sunday, December 09, 2012 12:39:43 PM · 2 of 7
ZOOKER to whitedog57

Proper Freeper response should be:
Next April 15th, make your own trillion dollar coin and send it in for tax payment.
If you can do it, I can too. BTW, you can keep the change...

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6 posted on 01/12/2013 11:42:14 AM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s not really about money. It’s about control. You work — and the government takes a good chunk of your output. If you don’t behave, things will go badly for you and your family.


7 posted on 01/12/2013 11:43:52 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The trillion dollar question.

There is no need for taxes at all.
Just print/mint the money.


8 posted on 01/12/2013 11:44:39 AM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why not make it a 1 Quadrillion dollar coin?

Then we won’t have to worry about debt for a few years. :)


9 posted on 01/12/2013 11:45:37 AM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s still money that’s already been spent, so it’s not really going to help. I say default...get it over with, shut down the Empire, end foriegn aid, kill SS and Medicare, bring the troops home, and start again. It’s going ot happen sooner or later anyway.


10 posted on 01/12/2013 11:47:29 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: SeekAndFind
The government printing money and zero debt is fine with me, and do away with the income tax.

But some want to control the people with tax policy.

11 posted on 01/12/2013 11:47:34 AM PST by agincourt1415 (Tired of the current State, and Federal Tax System go here: APTTAX.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Since Obama, Biden, Holder, Pelosy, and Reid are all living in a fantasy world...I’m going to print up some fairies and pretend I’m living in Never Never Land...now where are those green tights!


12 posted on 01/12/2013 11:51:01 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s something disgusting about the word “freedom” being displayed upon that coin graphic. :(


13 posted on 01/12/2013 11:52:14 AM PST by RingerSIX (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccine that they offer down at our Church.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Patrick Henry said "Give me liberty or give me death." Obama says "I'll take your liberty and give you debt."


14 posted on 01/12/2013 11:53:42 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"If Obama Can Just Create A Trillion Dollar Coin, Then Why Do We Have To Pay Taxes?"

Because you deserve to suffer, smart-ass white boy! It's not about raising revenue, it's about making you suffer and destroying your will to succeed without government aid.

Sample exchange from the movie, Idiocracy (2006):
President Camacho: "&h*t. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bull&h*t, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution."
South Carolina Representative # 1: "That's what you said last time, dip&hit!"

We are living in Idiocracy today, and the crazies are in charge. They only think with their stomachs and their dicks, and logic is meaningless to them. President Comacho is in the White House and he be gonna tear this mofo down.

15 posted on 01/12/2013 11:56:19 AM PST by Always A Marine
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To: SeekAndFind

A long-running argument against Keynesian economics has been (this is my paraphrase):
If debt doesn’t matter and if printing fiat money does not harm the value of the currency or the economy, why not just cancel all taxes and have the government simply print whatever money it needs to feed its spending addiction?


16 posted on 01/12/2013 12:18:30 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: SeekAndFind

if they are going to spend 2 or 3 times tax revenue, then why am I paying taxes? they’re just devaluing anything I save anyhow


17 posted on 01/12/2013 12:19:19 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: SeekAndFind

I suppose to see whether or not these ideas have any real value is to see if the Fed would accept a trillion dollar coin as payment, and then tell them...we’re square now, and we’re done. We won’t be needing your services any longer.


18 posted on 01/12/2013 12:25:59 PM PST by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: SeekAndFind
First: Minting the coin doesn't change the debt situation. We would still owe the money. The claim that this could "end-run" around the debt limit is as silly as the claim that the President has plenary power under the Fourteenth Amendment to raise the ceiling on his own.

He doesn't.

This is sophistry, being used by people who abhor the idea of Constitutional Government. They think the law is a joke; a game to be played with words to fool people into believing you have a legal/moral justification for doing what you've done.

That's why they've repeatedly told us that the plain words of the Constitution don't mean what they say. Just for example, why a Constitutional Amendment (XIV) that guaranteed everyone the equal protection of law actually says the opposite: that certain classes of people are "more" equal than others.

Second, even supposing that minting the coin could produce a "debt free solution" there is nothing new in this proposal. In fact, it's actually worse than the shell game being played between the Federal Reserve and The Treasury now. At least under that game, no one is actually sure just how much we've inflated the money supply, or when it must eventually come crashing down.

Third, I'm no Paulite, but one thing that Ron Paul got very right was this: Why is the Federal Reserve allowed to keep secrets that the Congress of the United States is not entitled to know? The Congress (certain trusted members at least) are cleared to the highest levels of military, intelligence, and diplomatic secrecy our country affords, but the Fed has told them on numerous occasions (TARP, most recently) "we're not going to tell you how we spent the money."

Howzzat again?

The Fed is actually defended in this practice by some "conservatives:" 'Well, you can't put money under popular control. That would cause instability.' Really? How is having the value of money implicitly regulated by unaccountable bankers working out in that particular regard? Do people honestly believe that unelected bankers have less interest in easy money if it suits them today? Or tight money if it suits their balance sheet tomorrow? How is that whole "monetary stability" thing working out under the current system?

FDR and Henry Morgenthau "set" the price of gold over breakfast, somehow believing this was actually possible. The President can no more set the price of gold than he can set the speed of light. Money is the same. It has a value according to its market and the perception thereof. We are OUT -- not running out -- but dead, flat OUT of time.

And these idiotic shenanigans are not helpful.

19 posted on 01/12/2013 12:27:20 PM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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