Posted on 01/09/2013 10:39:39 AM PST by Windflier
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington
The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams
I could find hundreds of quotes like these. This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People” will lose our power of enforcement.
We need to keep this in mind as our “representatives” try to push gun bans. I don’t care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.
A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.
Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.
It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.
If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense and not talking about inciting a revolution. Re-read Jefferson’s quote. He talks about a “last resort.” I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority can not take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.
Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the Constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the Constitution is not in play.
I just wrote what every believer in the Constitution wants to say, and what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous and radical or subversive, and it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them and to kill them. You are protected by our Constitution.
I say fight. But remember to choose your battles.
It’s critically important that the government fear it’s citizenry.
This government has created so many dependent citizens that there is no longer any fear.
Fighting the machine may feel good, but it will end up with results similar to Irwin Schiff.
Judge Andrew Napolitano: Revolution is Duty of the People
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af5KJ2aD8F0
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts
I will fire upon any government representative who attempts to usurp my liberty, even if that means my own death. I have no problem saying it. My soul is prepared.
I believe that’s up to the individual...and the odds of actually living through it and not spending the rest of your life at someplace like Gitmo. Do you really want to kill some cop or military member that may have a family and is just obeying his CO? I don’t how I would feel firing at someone wearing the same uniform I once did.
And to be clear, the right to keep and bear arms PREDATES THE CONSTITUTION. This right existed before any government decided to recognize it.
This is a fundamental human right. To defend oneself from violence and death from any attacker in any numbers. It is a God-given right that is inherently derived from the God given right of a person to live without being murdered by others, or violently assaulted and injured.
And please don’t fall for thse who equate all killing with murder. All murderers by definition, kill. Not all killings are murders. There is justified killings. In the case of self-defense. In the case of protecting others, and your property. If you run into someone who refuses to understand the difference, cut your losses early and just let em go, they are not smart enough to discuss this with or they know the difference but don’t care and are just pushing your buttons.
Sadly, our elected officials no longer represent our interests.
Not only do you have the responsibility when they come for your guns, you have the responsibilty to fight when they come for your neighbors
Me too. While I do not wish to die, I have no fear of death. I do fear being starved to death in one of obama’s camps to the extent that if faced with either being killed or voluntarily going to one of obama’s camps, I will die resisting.
If 30 cops and a SWAT team show up to take your guns will you fight knowing you can’t win? Or do you go along and live to fight another day? I can always get more guns.
There are bad cops and they should be resisted. However a bad cop’s word will most likely be taken as valid over a citizen.
Fight. But...
And you know what everything before but is.
If lethal resistance is not universal and automatic, what the system will do is simply pick you off one by one, until there’s no one left.
I agree, taking another’s life is relative.
Silly. If they come, we’ll know ahead of time. My guns will be in locations unknown to them. they aren’t going to come back every month. I’ll keep one cheapie around for protection that they can have.
Of course, I don’t live in a city, I have room to hide things where they won’t be found.
I predict, they will not come for your guns. They don’t have the numbers to get it done. The method they will use is quite simple and requires very few people to be effective: it will work something like this; deadlines for turning in registered guns will be set and if citizens fail, first fine is $5000, second failure $10,000 etc. The have the power to electronically remove funds from your security accounts with a few keystrokes on a remote computer—this means from your checking account, savings, or by wage garnishment. This is how they will work it. Very few will be willing to go all in cash, and when you do withdraw more than 10K, current laws require reporting. I guarantee taking your money, wages, property will be a very powerful incentive to submit. Think about how to escape this tyranny—these bastar*s will kill you with swat teams if you resist. They have all the latest technology in their favor.
As you most likely know the military is trained to question orders they may feel are unlawful. And then to refuse to obey it. I for one have spoken to numerous others in the military and none have said they would go along with orders to confiscate guns. Several were very adamant that they would not only not obey but would take part in getting rid of those giving the order.
I carry two copies of the US Constitution while at work. I challenge and engage Soldiers frequently about what is and is not Constitutional.
It's not a matter of wanting to. No one does, but having to. Do you think this theoretical discussion is any different than the actuality that happened to the Jews in Nazi Germanny? The russian citizens who were takes to die in the gulags? The Armenians who were sent on forced death marches in Turkey? The intellectuals taken to their deaths in Cambodia? I wonder if you could ask them the same question what their answers would be.
And BTW the Nuremburg trials established that following orders is no excuse even for military. It is far less of an excuse for police. They can just quit with no consequences if they don't like their orders. They wont be shot for desertion. I'm guessing that most of them won't have any problem with following those orders, and therefore there should be no moral dilemma about shooting them.
I have a better idea. Somewhere on your land you have an underground safe spot to hide your guns and ammo. I have six acres of land. Good luck to the hick town cops if they try and find them, which they won’t.
“Sorry sir, I lost that Saiga rifle in a boating accident.”
If a man has made the conscious choice to aid and abet a tyrannical government by acting as its jackbooted thug, then I say, yes. He willingly chose to strip me of my God-given rights, and I will strip him of his life for that mistake.
Then you had best make up your mind now so that you are prepared to act decisively when the time comes.
And this is the variable that we're forgetting. If there were a complete "changing of the guard", so to speak, the ghetto entitlement dogs would lose their govt sponsored cocaine and pornography. Now we're talking about tens of millions of useless wastes-of-oxygen fighting for the govt.
When Tyranny becomes law, Rebellion becomes duty.
As a whole, Americans comply with the law. So Gov't creates laws to control the sheep.
We already have enough laws on the books to take guns away. There aren't many people who stand against gun permits, and other controls on weapons. As a American, we don't need a permit to carry or have a gun. Nor should there be any restriction on any such weapon. Yet, will still as a whole, comply. Class III, FFL, lol.
Even criminals are outlawed and prevented from having a gun in most cases! Even a criminal should have the basic right to defend themselves. As we create more laws, we will have more criminals. The police state will create a criminal out of everyone. Throw in medication and other 'things' that in the future will prevent you from getting a gun.
By force, lol.
The question I always have when this debate comes up is how will they find them...
Guns..what guns?
And if that 99% of people decide to change the constitution to ban guns? Then what? It would no longer be unconstitutional at that point. If this country keeps moving left at the speed it is now, there might soon be sizable pro-gun control majorities that support doing exactly that.
Right this moment there is no chance of that happening, but the speed of ideological left transformation we are going through is very rapid. Obama is most definitely fundamentally changing this nation, and like it or not the majority of Americans like and support him. Hussein got socialized medicine through when even FDR failed, and won an election after doing it. If he puts effort into banning guns, there is no reason to think that in a few years the majority of elected officials won't go along. So what then?
I have a number of weapons and lots of ammunition at my house. If 30 cops and a SWAT team really wanted to, I might last 5 minutes...after my house and myself were riddled with holes, I wonder how long my neighbors would hold out and what they would say a month later about my valiant stand?
As soon as the confiscation starts, groups are going to form. SWAT teams and others will be engaged in the open field. Being that most are trained at dynamic entry, they will be at a disadvantage.
I know how I'd feel... ashamed of HIM for making me do it. Ashamed of HIM for not standing up for The Constitution and being a mere puppet to a tyrannical government. I'd like to think that our military would be better than that, but based on what I saw happen during Hurricane Katrina, I'm not so sure. I really don't like the direction this whole thing is going, but I don't see much choice in the matter. Either roll over and play dead, or protect the last thing that really DOES protect us.
It’s one thing to tell someone something, and something completely different when action starts. I really don’t think any of this will happen , at least not for a number of generations, definitely not by the current administration.
The problem is they have to prove you have the guns. With no registration you could have sold them years ago.
Different times, different circumstances, different places, and mostly, different people.
You’ve already surrendered, apparently. Got yourself good and convinced that resistance to tyranny is futile.
That’s fine. Not everyone’s cut out to fight. Turn your guns in now. Maybe the crocodile will eat you last.
Obama doesn’t care about guns. He cares about shooting his mouth off and keeping his leftist base under control.
The Obama pattern is set. He talks big, promises big, and then pushes congress to pass something that accomplishes nothing and he will sign it and call it good.
Nobody is coming for your guns except garden variety criminals. The govt doesn’t want that fight.
I will make that decision when necessary.
Not really. This has played out the same in many countries, and I'm sure they, like you, thought "Different times, different circumstances, different places, and mostly, different people" and I'm sure they thought "It can't happen here." Well it CAN happen here.
Being elected president does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights. Our inalienable
rights. . . .
I made no mention of surrender. I just stated the method they will use.
Damn powerful article. Too bad we have to cringe in worry for someone who merely recites our Constitution.
The only question I have is who has my back. I would not give up my guns no matter what - they would literally be pried from my cold dead fingers. But after that what?
If one tries to prearrange backup you are trying to form a “militia” and get raided. Neighbors can always say they will back you but will they really? After they see the jack boots kill you and burn your house, will the neighbors stand and watch or will they snipe from the roof tops?
I have been quietly arranging my own backup. Nothing in writing, nothing in concrete. My guns have all been sold and hidden away. We practice in private, and discuss in private. Nothing in writing, nothing electronic.
I can only count on a handful of close associates and hope that there are similar small groups forming as all this gun control process works itself out.
Should my neighbors come under attack, I would certainly back them up, but I am not sure about the reverse.
It hasn’t happened in America and there is only one now.
Good point about the Jews and others who gave up their firearms under Hitler. People who give up their firearms are dead people.
An executive order on the people of the United States violates the Republican Form of Government because the order is not the result of representative legislation.
It would be the action of a tyrannical ruler, not one who governs the administration of duly-passed laws.
-PJ
"The problem with internet quotes is that so many of them are false."
~~Abraham Lincoln, 1865
When talks of U.N. ‘peacekeeping forces’ within the United States begin, that’s when you know gun confiscation is on the horizon. Outsiders don’t have regard for our Constitution (such as 0bama) and wouldn’t have any problem taking privately-held firearms.
I don’t understand how it is legal for Obama to take away a portion of your Bill of Rights by Executive Order. Because he wills it?
It hasn’t happened in America yet. It didn't happen instantaneously in those other countries either. First registration, then confiscation, then genocide. And SOME of it has happened. in NYC semiautos WERE confiscated under the rule of David Dinkins who like 0bama and Mugabe was a corrupt antigun leftest idealogue.
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