Posted on 01/06/2013 3:43:37 PM PST by grumpa
The political platform isn’t a philosophy. There are plenty of libertarians who think the non-initiation of force principle extends to the unborn and therefore justifies laws against abortion. This is actually more consistent with libertarian principle than what’s stated in the platform.
In the interview Reagan sounds like a libertarian in a non-economic way when he says he believes only in self-censorship of the movie industry extending even to pornography. And he sounds libertarian in a non-economic way when he says he doesn’t believe government should protect people from themselves and cites motorcycle helmet laws.
Obviously he talked about economics too because that is a huge area of agreement between libertarians and conservatives.
You are an intellectual lost cause, Bud.
No there aren't, that is why their party's platform remains eternally unchanged on abortion, libertarianism supports zero restrictions on abortion, just like the homosexual agenda and their desire to remove the Border Patrol and INS, and truly open the borders.
Reagan was no libertarian of course, with his strong military views and anti-gambling/prostitution examples in that interview, he did that even though he really was searching to win over that small libertarian group, that lonely little interview of almost 40 years ago, during a campaign. Even there, while speaking to them in a fatherly manner as to children, he distances himself from them.
You are right that conservatives and libertarians share economic views, that is why liberals who share economics with conservatives, had to come up with a new way to describe themselves to avoid merely being liberals, they call themselves "libertarians".
At least I’m not ignorant enough to call myself a Christian and a social conservative, but promote libertarianism.
Abortion, homosexual marriage, open borders, prostitution and drugs, the entire homosexual agenda in the military and in adoption, and everything else.
Sodom and Gomorrah would have been a good recruiting ground for both liberals and libertarians, but not for social conservatives.
You are too obtuse to be ignorant.
Sure there are, they just aren’t a majority. And as I said, their position is more consistent with libertarian principle than what’s in the platform.
The open borders position is coherent as long as it’s accompanied by a complete dismantling of the welfare state. This dismantling of the welfare state is in their platform, btw, and shows pretty clearly that libertarians are worlds apart from liberals. Or are we just supposed to ignore this little detail?
There it is, that is what makes the libertarians the commandos of the left.
Open the borders today, legalize all drugs and the homosexual agenda and all social liberalism today, and we will gladly pay you Tuesday.
Over the last 60 years the left and libertarians have made extraordinary breakthroughs in destroying the social conservative fabric of America, and they only create more liberal voters, it imports new liberals by the tens of millions, conservatism doesn't advance from that, it loses and is close to disappearing entirely.
Below is the libertarian position on immigration, by the way, the very same one that you were endorsing in 2000, it never changes.
Do you think the left appreciates the libertarians pushing this immigration policy to conservatives, more than they fear libertarians agreeing with conservatives on welfare?
Which do you think is a possible reality in the next 2 to 10 years, open borders? or a dismantling of the social/welfare system in America?
This is the actual, 2004 text of the Libertarian Party Platform on immigration.
COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER
IMMIGRATION:
“”The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.
The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.
Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.
Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.””
Sodom and Gomorrah would have been a good recruiting ground for both liberals and libertarians, but not for social conservatives.
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said. [Rand Paul: Time for GOP to soften war stance]
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