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Should you leave the USA before the collapse? Words of wisdom from someone who tried
Poor Richards Blog Spot ^ | 12/14/12 | Mike Adams

Posted on 01/04/2013 8:33:51 PM PST by Kartographer

Realization #1 - Corruption is far worse outside the USA

Realization #2 - Many cultures do not practice long-term preparedness thinking

Realization #3 - Don't be the foreigner

Realization #4 - You cannot escape the global police state

Realization #5 - You are far safer to hunker down than try to go mobile

(Excerpt) Read more at poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: 666; expats; retirement
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My biggest problem with people who leave American because they see staying as a losing battle is that they remind me of guys who play poker badly and after losing they bitch and bitch and bitch and quit, but they don't leave they then go on to stand behind players watch their cards and give advice and criticism.

You either stay in the 'game' and make your effort or you QUIT and walk away, but you sure don't have the right to stand around and tell others that are still in how they should play!

1 posted on 01/04/2013 8:33:58 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Where would I go, anyway?


2 posted on 01/04/2013 8:37:18 PM PST by Salamander (Nothing says 'Welcome to my home!' like snakes.)
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To: Salamander

Chile, Belize, Costa Rica
try a seasonal get-away instead. Ireland, Manitoba ...


3 posted on 01/04/2013 8:39:30 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: Salamander

The only place I’d even consider is Canada but it’s too damned cold!!


4 posted on 01/04/2013 8:44:51 PM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Salamander
Where would I go, anyway?

Australia, New Zealand ? I hear there are some parts of South America are kinda like early American west with cattle ranches and open prairies.

It all depends on how you want to live and your health and wealth.

5 posted on 01/04/2013 8:46:10 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: pgkdan

Canada America’s great beer cooler to the north!


6 posted on 01/04/2013 8:46:18 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

The questions are this.
Is there any hope for the country to return or change to what you want it to be?
Is there another country that is closer to what you are looking for?
And most importantly.

Is the life of you or your family at risk if you stay?

That is why people emigrate.


7 posted on 01/04/2013 8:51:34 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Salamander

This place will probably be better post-collapse than most other places.
Stay, brace up,or hunker down, call it whatever, and fight if you have to. Most other economies are going to trash with ours.


8 posted on 01/04/2013 8:53:03 PM PST by Quickgun (I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Kartographer
I like living in the 3rd world sh*t holes that most Americans and most prepper’s would never consider moving to. If you like personal freedom there are no places that are better if you are self supporting.
If you want relative safety, property rights, a semblance of personal rights and your guns then moving is not an option for just about everyone in that category...

I'd strongly suggest anyone contemplating moving to give it a try for at least 6 months...

9 posted on 01/04/2013 8:53:43 PM PST by montanajoe
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You see that comment written by the Costa Rican doctor living in California?

I dislike the USA and Americans in general, and particularly dislike conservative right-wing Americans. I can't wait to leave this f..... up country!

10 posted on 01/04/2013 8:58:20 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: redgolum

This country will repeat the exact same cycle which other countries went through. Greece, Russia, China, etc all had thriving economies once. Then people found out they could get free stuff by voting in the socialists.

After experiencing ravages of socialism for several decades, some woke up and turned back to capitalism. China for example now has one million new millionaires and middle class is 50 times bigger than during their communist abyss.

So, I expect US to become increasingly socialist (= big gov’t), suffer economic abyss, then turn back. But not until 2040 at the earliest, more likely after 2050.


11 posted on 01/04/2013 8:59:49 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Salamander

I worry about my meagher retirement account....you deny yourself over the years to save, and will be ever be able to take it out, let alone move it to another country....


12 posted on 01/04/2013 9:00:13 PM PST by cherry
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To: redgolum

Mobility is the greatest weapon we have as conservatives. When France put forth a 75% tax the wealthy fled. The only chance socialism has is to stomp out conservatism in every country. If we remain mobile we can continue to reward countries that respect freedom and enterprise. Come to Canada my American friends.


13 posted on 01/04/2013 9:00:16 PM PST by ferrethouse
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To: oldbrowser
can anyone really seriously leave children and grandchildren behind?....nieces?..nephews?...elderly parents?....sisters?...brothers?....

the thought of never seeing my family again would be like living in hell....

can't do it....even if I wanted to...even if I could successfully....

14 posted on 01/04/2013 9:02:07 PM PST by cherry
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I’d possibly consider visiting the central and south Americas to see Boas in their natural habitat but that’s about it.

This is home.

Ain’t goin’ nowhere.

:)


15 posted on 01/04/2013 9:02:21 PM PST by Salamander (Nothing says 'Welcome to my home!' like snakes.)
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To: pgkdan

I’m on the Mason/Dixon and it’s too frickin’ cold.

Canada’s not even in my top 100.

;D


16 posted on 01/04/2013 9:03:23 PM PST by Salamander (Nothing says 'Welcome to my home!' like snakes.)
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To: oldbrowser

Too poor and too old to move.

[hillbillies generally have to be dragged screaming off the mountain of their birth, anyway]


17 posted on 01/04/2013 9:04:54 PM PST by Salamander (Nothing says 'Welcome to my home!' like snakes.)
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To: cherry

Amen.

My freak state is intentionally making it impossible for the ‘natives’ to keep living here, via outrageous taxes and utility prices.

They want the suburbanites to ‘resettle’ my area.

My ancestors went through the Highland Clearances and hundreds of years later, here we go again.


18 posted on 01/04/2013 9:07:42 PM PST by Salamander (Nothing says 'Welcome to my home!' like snakes.)
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To: steve86
The vast majority of folks in other countries dislike America and Americans. They do not want to come here contrary to what you often hear Americans say. They don't believe this is the best place on the planet and while I disagree I recognize that fact......
19 posted on 01/04/2013 9:08:03 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: Quickgun
This place will probably be better post-collapse than most other places.

You don't want to be stuck in or adjacent to a big city anywhere in the world, but I think larger cities in this country could be even worse than in the third world, because those people retain some familiarity with scarcity and living in primitive conditions. Here there will be total chaos and breakdown with only a couple days of food non-delivery.

20 posted on 01/04/2013 9:09:47 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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