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butterdezillion

[apocalypto]

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[Smokeyblue]

Because he wasn't born in Hawaii and thus doesn't have a Hawaiian birth certificate. Can't unsealed what they don't have.

'Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii'

... The ship spent 4 days in Mombassa, but due to some Marines stealing a radio, I was a brig guard for the month and only had 2 days ashore. I made time to go on a short safari in the Tsavo East National park, seeing elephants and hippos in the wild, some gazelles, water buffalo, some large birds and one particular lizard the size of a German Shepard that I held up for everyone to take pictures of while it lazed about in the daytime sun. Why it didn’t bite me, I can only thank God.

While back in Hawaii by late June of 1980, we went back to Honolulu for liberty. I don’t remember the exact address, or the exact business, but one August night, early August 1980, I stopped at a small shop that was either on Kalakaua Blvd or the street just north of it, one block north. I struck up a conversation with a young man, Mulatto, about 18, all teeth, smiling, skinny, short hair that I remember, at least short for the year we lived in.

He told me he lived in Hawaii. Not too many black Americans lived in Hawaii at all, now or then, so he being there was an oddity. I asked if he was in the service and he said no. I told him that I was a Marine and had recently gotten back from float. We spoke of world travel at this time and I told him the places we went to.

What strikes me most is what he said as to where he grew up: Indonesia. He told me he wanted to be President of the US someday. I remember lightly smiling and commenting that maybe by the time he gets to be 40 or so, America will be ready for a Black man to be President and I wished him luck. We spoke of the racial tensions I saw at home while growing up and I asked him if he ever saw that overseas or since he returned back to Hawaii. I don’t remember his answer, but we spoke more of his time overseas and his thoughts on life and philosophy of government. He made some strange comments to me, it was obvious he never set foot for any time in the continental United States and I told him he better realize that he is making judgments about the United States when he himself never actually lived there. I told him, “Hawaii aint the United States!”

He also told me something that I never forgot, for it caused me to do some other things in an effort to be nice to him and possibly a favor. We spoke of where I had been and the world as I saw it. I told him I had been to Africa , Mombassa specifically, and he said to me abruptly, “I was born there”. I told him he is not eligible to be president if that was true, but I remembered he said his mom was an American, so, maybe it was okay. But it was what I did after that makes this a true memory: I went back to the barracks and told others of this guy and suggested we all grab our photo albums and visit him again and show him pictures of Mombassa so he could see where he was from.

No one wanted to go, and at that time, my camera had failed me weeks before we hit Mombassa and it was late August or early September until I had borrowed someone else’s pictures to develop myself so I had copies of where I was. But I never forgot meeting that man for those reasons. I was going to do him a favor and show him his home country of birth. And I never went back for some reason, most likely I forgot to or just felt that a one time chance encounter would be meaningless to both of us and didn’t mean we were friends.

In the light of what is called “The Birther” movement, these memories are still foremost in my mind concerning this. While I cannot swear it was Barak Obama, all the details I do remember of that chance encounter fit the profile of the man who some people claim is born in Kenya and others claim he was born in Hawaii . The man I met was about 18, thin, Mulatto, told me he was born in Mombassa, raised overseas, was living in Hawaii and hadn’t yet been to many places in the world outside of those places, mostly, hadn’t been to the mainland of America for any long time period if at all. And he openly told me he wanted to be President.

And I remember that face, the face of a young man who sat on a table to my right front, his hands resting on the edge of the table, him leaning forward, his smile, all teeth. It was Barak Obama. I don’t know if I’d bet my life on it, but I am willing to tell people openly at the risk of my ridicule. I was there, and saw him, spoke to him, and he openly told me he was born in Mombassa, Kenya, not Hawaii. ...

[TXnMA]

Butter,

I have done a bit more editing to your "script" to clarify and "punch it up" even more:

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The 20th Amendment says that if the President-elect “fails to qualify” by the beginning of his term (JAN 20), he must not “act as President”.

AZ Secretary of State, Ken Bennett formally requested that Hawaii Registrar Alvin Onaka verify these claimed "facts" that Barack Hussein Obama, II, male, was born

1. on Aug 4, 1961
2. in Honolulu
3. on the island of Oahu,
4. to Stanley Ann Dunham and
5. Barack Hussein Obama.

Though required by Hawaii law [HRS 338-14.3] to verify any submitted information that could be certified as the way the birth actually happened, Onaka did not verify any of those claims.

In response to Bennett’s additional page of requests Onaka did verify that the claims on the White House image of Obama’s BC are also claimed in ("match") the record on file. If the record were valid, Onaka is required by law to verify the truth of all the above-listed claims. By refusing to verify those things, Onaka indirectly confirmed (and certified) that Obama’s Hawaii BC, even if NOT a forgery, is based on a legally INvalid record.

Though most of the world believes the media and White House version rather than what the law actually says, the fact is that Hawaii has verified that they have no legally-determined birth date, birth place, or birth parents for Obama. Without knowing those facts for Obama, there is no way anybody can lawfully say Obama has qualified and no way that he actually ever COULD qualify.

To get Obama’s name on the state ballots, DNC Counsel bob Bauer submitted an Official Certification of Nomination claliming that Obama is qualified to serve as President. That could not and can not be known without legally-established birth facts for Obama, and Hawaii law says the only way to legally determine his birth facts is if the record is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body and it is decided whether the claims on the BC have any legal or evidentiary value.

Until that happens it is LEGALLY KNOWN that Barack Obama cannot qualify to be President.

In order to qualify (or disqualify) Barack Hussin Obama for inauguration on January 20, at least one (D or R) member of Congress (having unquestioned "standing" to do so) must file a suit to force the Hawaii Registrar to present Obama's Hawaii records as evidence to a judicial (or "administrative") court for an "up/down" determination of their probative value.

Unless Obama or the Hawaii Registrar, Onaka, is taken to court and forced to present Obama's birth record as evidence so the legal value of it can be determined and legal birth facts established, Obama can NEVER “qualify” for the Presidency as required by the 20th Amendment.

What congressperson is willing to step forward and perform this duty to his oath of office?

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Redistricting has just changed me from TX Congressional District 1 (Louie Gohert) to District 4 (Ralph Hall). The good news is that I am personal friends with his local office manager -- who also happens to attend my church! I just talked with him, and he specifically asked that I send him your materials, so that he can forward them to Hall's Chief of Staff in DC.

I was encouraged that he was already familiar with the AZ SOS's letter and by his comment, "There are a lot of guys in Congress who would love to have a way to bring Obama down!"

Your thoughts?

[Ouderkirk]

Sen. Sh!thead Schumer, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, Rep(ulsive) Louise Slaughter.

Rat bastards all and charter members of the communist party. They would have me arrested for daring to call them out.

[palmer]

They didn't need a real human being to fly to Hawaii for any other purpose then to defraud the public.

Ok, hand carried. I knew that at one point but forgot. This issue is about as interesting cold oatmeal.

The papers they gave Corely (IN PERSON) are probably stamped with big red letters...NOT LEGALLY VALID or AMENDED.

Evidence? Probably just wishful thinking. The best explanation is that the WH got the COLB (two copies), took various photos of both, scanned one of them in.played with that one in photoshop, xerox the other for handouts, hand some media useful idiot "validate" the seal, etc.

The whole thing was theatre to keep the conspiracy theories pumped and waste lots of time within some of the political opposition.

[Jonah Vark]

Regardless of where Obama was born, the COLBs, the long form Certificate of Birth, the Selective Service registration and the Social Security number can all be proven to be fakes. It is obvious that Obama committed fraud in his attempts to deceive the public. Is fraud a high crime or misdemeanor?

Remember it wasn’t the Lewinsky incident that led to Clinton’s impeachment by Congress, it was perjury. It wasn’t the Watergate burglary that brought down Nixon, it was the cover-up. We can only hope and pray that members of Congress will have the courage to follow through with their responsibilities to uphold the Constitution and rid us of this fraud. As mentioned previously here, I too am hoping for that congressperson who is willing to step forward and perform this duty to his oath of office.

Actually, I envision that Obama will someday, soon, appear in public, stoned and in full narcissistic mode, and say or do something so repulsive that even Valerie Jarrett will desert him.

[ConstantSkeptic]

TXnMA: "In order to qualify (or disqualify) Barack Hussin Obama for inauguration on January 20, at least one (D or R) member of Congress (having unquestioned "standing" to do so) must file a suit to force the Hawaii Registrar to present Obama's Hawaii records as evidence to a judicial (or "administrative") court for an "up/down" determination of their probative value."

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Writing an objection to today's counting of electoral votes would have been a fairly easy task, just a few minutes work. Yet not a single representative or senator did that.

So, if no congressman went to that effort before the counting of electoral votes, why on earth do you think that a single one will go to the additional effort of filing a lawsuit???

[palmer]

AZ Secretary of State, Ken Bennett formally requested that Hawaii Registrar Alvin Onaka verify these claimed "facts" that Barack Hussein Obama, II, male, was born
on Aug 4, 1961
in Honolulu
on the island of Oahu,
to Stanley Ann Dunham and
Barack Hussein Obama.
Though required by Hawaii law [HRS 338-14.3] to verify any submitted information that could be certified as the way the birth actually happened, Onaka did not verify any of those claims.

Onaka verified the BHO name and Honolulu (but not Oahu). He didn't verify the parents' names and the date as requested (my apologies to butterdezillion for back when I said he only requested verification of 10 items; I did not read Bennett's letter carefully).

In any case the big picture is that there is a birth certificate on file for BHO. It may have been faked by someone as suggested various millions of times, but that means the Hawaiians have been churning out certified documents stating something is real and exists (i.e. a document from 1961) when it was allegedly created after 1961, maybe last year, 2008, who knows. A million different theories of a fake document, all of them worthless.

[4Zoltan]

The six or so items that Dr. Onaka didn’t verify are the items on the request form SoS Bennett submitted. So Dr. Onaka would not verify the mother’s name but he would verifiy her age, place of birth and the date she signed the BC.

Dr. Onaka also verified that all the information on the WhiteHouse pdf matches the information on the original BC in the Hawaii vault. And the date of birth on the White House pdf is August 4, 1961. Therefore in order for them to match the original BC in Hawaii must also say August 4, 1961. In fact, if you look at all of the boxes on the White House BC pdf, the same information must be in the corresponding boxes on the original birth record. Or they wouldn’t match.

Maybe there is a big red stamp saying “amended” or “late” on the original, but the information in the boxes on the original is the same as the information in the boxes on the White House pdf.

I keep reading how the DOH is lawless, swapping cert numbers between different BCs, lying about their policies or statutes, using illegal raised seals, changing the index data, etc. but when it came time to write the certified verification, Dr. O said “I can’t verify that, that would be illegal.”

After all these years of lawlessness, that was suddenly the line he wasn’t going to cross?

[rxsid]

Indeed!

[rxsid]

Unfortunately, you nor anyone else will ever get any court to order Barry (or HI) to release his documents of any kind based on allegations of fraud.

Just. Not. Ever. Going. To. Happen.

At this point, we only his his word FWIW.

He told us his birth status was governed by a foreign power.

I've written countless letters and mailed them to each of the SCOTUS justices and to all my state and federal "representatives" and asked them one simple question (with the first round of letters):

"HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?"

That was it. A one sentence question. Nothing else.

Some ignored me (including all SCOTUS justices...surprise!) and every last one that replied to me never ever mentioned anything about his admitted foreign citizenship at birth. They ALL changed the subject to the birth certificate and said that HI said he was born there. When I wrote followup letters stating I mentioned nothing about his alleged B.C. or place of birth, and asked again how someone born owing allegiance to the crown of England could be considered a natural Born Citizen...literally ALL of them ignored my followups.

You see, none of them...not a single one, could argue in the affirmative, that someone born owing allegiance to a foreign power was in fact a natural Born Citizen. None even attempted to argue the 14th Amendment, or WKA, or jus soli made him an NBC. They knew they couldn't, because they don't relate.

IMO, if the issue of his eligibility (re "natural Born Citizen") were ever to miraculously make it's way into an evidentiary court hearing, THEN his B.C. could be ordered up to establish a starting point.

That, however, is highly unlikely as well since nobody is willing to expose him as the usurper he is.

[TXnMA]

Invalidating the EC votes requires BOTH a Senator and a Congresscriter; one alone won't do the job.

As of now, we have no indication that butterdezillion's info has actually reached a single congress member. However, one conservative congressman's district director told me she had sent her info directly to the congressman's own inbox

So, if we do reach one and he decides to act, life is going to get very interesting...

If no one acts, then we have to ask, "with what have all these judicial, legislative and conservative media folks been threatened? What threat is that big?"

[palmer]

They ALL changed the subject to the birth certificate and said that HI said he was born there....None even attempted to argue .... jus soli made him an NBC

Seems like that is exactly what they all argued.. Anyway, here's the relevant text from the British Nationality Act of 1948 showing why BHO is not a British citizen. "Governed by" British law is true, but

Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth:

Provided that if the father of such a person is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent only, that person shall not be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by virtue of this section unless—

(a) ... or

(b) that person's birth having occurred in a place in a foreign country other than a place such as is mentioned in the last foregoing paragraph, the birth is registered at a United Kingdom consulate within one year of its occurrence, or, with the permission of the Secretary of State, later...

From http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm

[little jeremiah]

Why do you think this is? Mass hyponisis? Mass psyhopathy? Mass cowardice? Mass treason? Mass piss-soaked hind legs (hat tip to General Patton)?

That NOT ONE of any of the many, many hundreds or more of those tasked with upholding the Constitutional requirement for eligibility and the rule of law will even squeak once about it? It’s amazing to me; shouldn’t be, but it is.

[TXnMA]

I wish I had saved it now, but, on his own website ca 2008, Obama himself claimed (admitted) that, by virtue of his father’s citizenship in a British Crown Colony, he, BHO II, was a British subject.

[Smokeyblue]

scanned one of them in.played with that one in photoshop,

That's FORGERY

The whole thing was theatre

The whole was/is FRAUD

The best explanation is

FRAUD AND FORGERY

Evidence? Probably just wishful thinking.

The evidence is that the PDF file was not a scan of a certified piece of paper but a manufactured computer file. You ignore the facts and go for misdirection just as trolls always do.

[Smokeyblue]

I agree with you.

I wonder why somebody with the resources to do so hasn’t filed some sort of suit against the White House/Federal government for posting that fraudulent PDF file on a government website.

[palmer]

I looked at the PDF and it started with a scan, then was partly altered by OCR. The OCR cleans up stuff that it thinks is letters and leaves the rest alone, hence the two looks of text, one pixellated and the other not. The source is the same however, a real artifact, namely the paper document. The WH PDF probably had more than just the OCR text cleanup, but actual manipulation as I explained at the time.

I had arguments about provenance with the birther troll polarik back in the day of "fact check" BCs. He eventually admitted most if not all sources were paper documents which were scanned, then (he said) manipulated. The next step was for him to admit that there was no deliberate change just accidental ones. There was no creation of fake BC's from components of real ones.

In this example, the "smiley" A is,in the typical birther opinion, a secret message from the alleged forger to the world. My more rational view is here where the smiley A can be seen as mostly an accidental result of a defective rubber stamp. The middle image in that link is from a photo of a plain paper copy of the BC. The left is from the WH PDF, your alleged forgery. It's actual provenance is a color scan followed by some touching up. You can certainly call that fraud, I would not call it forgery, just inconsequential alteration.

[research99]

Was the reading of Electoral College votes today legally valid, when objections weren’t requested as mandated by 3 U.S.C. 15?

Could a “writ of mandate” filed in DC court by someone like Montgomery Blair Sibley, who has active “Quo Warranto” cases there now, legally force the issue?

Or now is the remedy a suit against Supreme Court Justice Roberts, to prevent him from administering an oath of office on January 20th?

http://montgomeryblairsibley.com/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2974972/posts

[Smokeyblue]

OCR does not IMPORT things from outside files.

This has been gone over thousands of times on these threads and with experts (Mara Z., Cold Case Posse experts, Lord M., and many, many others) documenting that OCR was not the cause but you know that and are just trolling.

Either Hawaii provided that PDF file or somebody ILLEGALLY used Hawaii’s seals and date stamp.

And yes, the PDF file is a Frankenstein cut and paste of bits of previous scans not one pure scan of a certified piece of paper.