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Mark Steyn: Romney ran a 'small, shriveled campaign' (Audio)
Daily Caller ^ | November 26, 2012 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 11/26/2012 4:18:45 PM PST by Rufus2007

Filling in on Rush Limbaugh’s Monday radio show, National Review columnist Mark Steyn said that Republicans lost big on Election Day because less engaged and more uniformed voters turned out in force.

“We do very well in off years, in the midterms — 1994, 2002,” Steyn said. “Republicans can have good years then because essentially they’re low-turnout elections — people who are engaged in politics vote. In the presidential years, people voted — a broader pool of voters comes in, and they’re basically people who swim in the broader culture. They’re not people who know the name of their congressmen or governor, and [they] aren’t terribly interested.”

Steyn, author “After America: Get Ready for Armageddon,” added that the GOP has had persistent problems getting motivated voters to the polls.

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Steyn might be a little brutal with his description, but he was right that Romney focused on small potatoes in this election.

It's all Monday morning quarterbacking, but with a some sort of moral guidebook in the culture, it's going to be hard for a Republican to win again.

1 posted on 11/26/2012 4:18:50 PM PST by Rufus2007
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To: Rufus2007

Romney did better than McCain, but anyone with a pulse could have done that. Until Republicans get a better understanding of popular culture and learn how to communicate their beliefs in a modern fashion, they will lose to the democrats who have mastered the emotional manipulation of the masses.


2 posted on 11/26/2012 4:28:07 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Rufus2007; All
Steyn is correct! The choice should have been well-defined as being between individual freedom (liberty) and slavery to government (tyranny).

Instead, Candidate Romney made it about mere symptoms of tyrannical government: the economy and lack of jobs.

When people are free and government is bound, the economy and jobs naturally occur, because they arise out of the optimism, freedom and creativity of free people pursuing their own happiness.

On the other hand, when government officials ignore "the chains of the Constitution" (Jefferson's term), assuuming unconstitutional and coercive power to impose restraints on the liberties of "the People," economic freedom, opportunity, prosperity and plenty fall by the wayside.

The 2012 election is history, but the long term consequences of loss of freedom will punish rising generations for years to come!

3 posted on 11/26/2012 4:31:38 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Rufus2007

I think Steyn (and you) are right. Another way to put it: Romney ran a “talking points” campaign without much depth and explanation. If Lincoln could make serious arguments to untutored farmers, I don’t see why contemporary candidates can’t to our more- (if ill-) schooled voters. Thomas Sowell has also argued for more substance in campaigns.


4 posted on 11/26/2012 4:31:47 PM PST by buridan
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To: Rufus2007
...the GOP has had persistent problems getting motivated voters to the polls...I guess that's my problem in understanding what happened on November 6 - I kept hearing that Republicans were way ahead in the "enthusiasm' metric, were more motivated to get out and vote against Obama and all he stood for - somehow I thought "motivated" people would be able to get themselves out to vote, not have to be cajoled or bribed or persuaded or whatever it's supposed to take to get them to the polls - my mistake.....
5 posted on 11/26/2012 4:34:38 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: loveliberty2

Well said!-put!


6 posted on 11/26/2012 4:36:30 PM PST by buridan
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To: buridan

On the other hand, Obama didn’t run on any agenda except FORWARD. Not even a plan for a 2nd term. I guess he didn’t need it - instead, he just bashed Romney and made what he thought were cute remarks about Big Bird, Romnesia, etc.

Yet, people expected Romney to go into details about his plan. If he had done that - then the media would have torn him to shreds. Heck, they did anyway. And, not knowing who he would have as cabinet members or elected Senators, etc., it would be difficult to lay out specifics.

This is my opinion, for what its worth.


7 posted on 11/26/2012 4:37:20 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: Rufus2007

***”We do very well in off years...***

Mark, we luv ya, but just who do you mean by ‘we’?

If you mean those who want to live in a free, prosperous, Constitutional America, then, no, ‘we’ don’t do well in ‘off years’. Or ‘on’ years for that matter.

If you’re talking about Republicans, then I guess off years are better for them.

The Republican Party is finished, Mark. Whether or not a third party emerges, the GOP had it’s last hurrah with GWB. And it’s not the fault of those who want to preserve the Republic.


8 posted on 11/26/2012 4:39:13 PM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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9 posted on 11/26/2012 4:39:51 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: buridan
Your point is well taken. We might remember that the 85 essays of Madison, Hamilton and Jay, known as THE FEDERALIST, were written for consumption by farmers and ordinary citizens as explanations of the Constitution and its protections for their rights and liberties.

We must take into account, however, the depth of understanding possessed by the authors of those essays, as well as their passion and commitment to the ideas of liberty. Where are we to find candidates of such perception and devotion to liberty today?

Perhaps an appeal to Divine Providence is in order.

10 posted on 11/26/2012 4:40:36 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Rufus2007

Which begs the question: what the hell did Steyn expect when he was pimping Mitt hard by trashing Newt in Dec and Jan?


11 posted on 11/26/2012 4:42:52 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Rufus2007
"...more uniformed voters turned out in force."

Indeed.

12 posted on 11/26/2012 4:43:13 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Well, now that you’ve made yourself feel important and elnightened by promoting a third party (yeah, that will work, since there are only about 75 parties now. I’m sure YOUR new one WILL be the one that works).....you should know that many of the good guys are elected in off years....

Now, back to the purity of your own irrelevance.


13 posted on 11/26/2012 4:45:10 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: 3Fingas

We are in WW3. It’s already being fought, and the enemy is winning so far.

It’s not really so much about politics as about good and evil on a prime level. There’s a reason the left and the muslims hate C.S.Lewis and Tolkien. Anyone human know what the deal is.


14 posted on 11/26/2012 4:45:10 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: MichaelCorleone

Well, now that you’ve made yourself feel important and elnightened by promoting a third party (yeah, that will work, since there are only about 75 parties now. I’m sure YOUR new one WILL be the one that works).....you should know that many of the good guys are elected in off years....

Now, back to the purity of your own irrelevance.


15 posted on 11/26/2012 4:45:19 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Rufus2007

Mark is reading my posts. We do have two electorates. We win in the off years, because the dumbocrats are only motivated by their savior and haven’t a clue who their congressman and senator are.

They haven’t a clue about how a republic governs and the whole checks and balances thing.

Besides it’s too much work to actually vote two times in a four year span.

The presidential elections are for preserving their freebies and perks.


16 posted on 11/26/2012 4:46:24 PM PST by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Catsrus

I think you can be substantive without exposing yourself too much to demagoguery. Obama gutted welfare reform, one of the most successful social policies of recent times, and it go-put!t little attention in the campaign. The changes were hard to explain, but it could have been done. There were dozens of similar errors by his administration that could have been explained as taking us toward dependency instead of toward an opportunity society.


17 posted on 11/26/2012 4:48:07 PM PST by buridan
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To: Catsrus

Please excuse the extra “puts” in my posts here. I must have had the word on my clipboard-put!


18 posted on 11/26/2012 4:51:21 PM PST by buridan
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To: buridan
If Lincoln could make serious arguments to untutored farmers, I don’t see why contemporary candidates can’t to our more- (if ill-) schooled voters.

Untutored farmers could think circles around the pigs with their faces buried in the federal handout trough Republicans today have to contend with.

19 posted on 11/26/2012 4:52:27 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Rufus2007
On Rush's show today Steyn said conservatives had flushed a billion dollars down the toilet on the 2012 election. He said we would have done better to spend that money on five $200 million blockbuster films that framed things according to the conservative worldview, to teach the public.

I saw Spielberg's Lincoln film this weekend and all I can say is that Steyn is right. We're simply being out-hustled by the left in terms of cultural influence. That movie is a brilliantly executed piece of liberal propaganda and we have no answer to it.

20 posted on 11/26/2012 4:53:31 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

Great post.
America is all about media 24/7/365 and that media is overwhelmingly liberal.


21 posted on 11/26/2012 4:56:26 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Catsrus

You are largely correct, although I think Steyn’s argument was a lack of big ideas...not specifics. He is saying he ran on a narrow idea that he could better steer the economy. He made no larger argument about the size of government, the massive growth of DC vs the rest of the country or liberty vs. government dictate.

At the same time, you have a solid point. Romney was hammered for not having specifics, but the guy in office never made any presentation of a plan for what four more years brings. We know he’d pay for 5 extra days of government a year with tax increases, but never mentioned how he was going to pay for the other 360.25 days of the year for his big government controls. A vague ‘Forward’ was all the voters needed to hear, apparently. It is frustrating to no end...we have to learn how to manipulate the media bias and every time a person goes on these shows use the time to hit on our points. We play defensive and explain our side. The other side just hammers us. With the press bias, they win because they never get any scrutiny that is seen by the average voter.


22 posted on 11/26/2012 5:04:46 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: nascarnation
Absolutely. The liberals are eating our lunch in terms of media influence. I don't know why we're ceding that ground to them. Back in the day -- and I mean way back in the day...like back in the days of the Catholic church and Michelangelo and Leonardo, conservatives owned the media lock stock and barrel. Even into the fifties and sixties of the last century we held our ground. But now we're just totally getting trounced. It really is an embarrassment.
23 posted on 11/26/2012 5:09:20 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Real intelligent response there, C. Edmund.

The bottom line is that the GOP can’t get it done even when the opposition essentially hands them the election.

As I stated, I don’t know if a third party will end up becoming a force to be rekoned with (although I think this time it will happen), but we know the future is not in the Republican Party.

Not the way I would have wanted it, but that’s the way it is.


24 posted on 11/26/2012 5:17:39 PM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Go ahead, pick one of the 70 some off parties now.....

The problem is, you don’t get it. The problem is not any party, the problem is human nature. And which ever of your brilliant third parties emerges, they will have that same problem. You know why? Because they’ll be run by humans, and those humans will be subject to human nature. Duh.


25 posted on 11/26/2012 5:26:43 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: loveliberty2

Very, very, very well-said. I wish you would run for....something.


26 posted on 11/26/2012 5:46:49 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Rufus2007

we been rolled.....

Does anybody here doubt for a New York minute...that had Mitt Romney won the election with hundreds of precincts 100+ voting for him it would NOT be in the MSM 24/7 and in front of a judge somewhere from now until 2016?

the Pubbies are no where to be found...just crickets...

IMHO...they took the campaign donations and ran....to sit down with the rest of DC and raise our taxes...and continue to authorize stupid, corrupt spending....and continue to prosecute the war on Flyover Country by DC.


27 posted on 11/26/2012 6:06:48 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Rufus2007

It’s only because he was a small shriveled candidate.


28 posted on 11/26/2012 6:09:13 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo
It’s only because he was a small shriveled candidate.

I'm afraid so. If he had tried to argue a strong conservative case, he would have been seen as a liar, since his record as governor was in no way conservative.

Pro life? How could he argue that when he pushed through taxpayer funded abortion as "healthcare" in Massachusetts?

Pro family? How could he argue that, when he was a pioneer of gay marriage?

Anti-government healthcare? How could he argue that, when Romneycare gave Obama his chief model to work from?

How can a man with no apparent principles argue from principle? It just won't work.

He came across as a small, shriveled candidate because, regretably, that's what he was. Not his looks, which are fine. But the complete absence of any basic principles. He was not in a position to say very much, or to attack Obama on stuff like his votes to throw born-alive babies out on the roof to die, because it would have rebounded back on him if he tried.

29 posted on 11/26/2012 6:37:42 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Yardstick

Well, one of the reasons that we have no answer to it is because in general the anti-Left is either oblivious to, ignorant of, or hostile and dismissive of culture. Kind of like my attitude toward, say, ice hockey - except that if knowing about and promulgating ice hockey was the way to win the war, I would get a pair of skates, get season tickets and get with the program. How many members of FR read the only non-Leftist cultural publication, The New Criterion? Anybody? How many stay informed by reading TLS - does anyone know what it is? How many are members of a museum? How many go to the ballet or opera even once a year? How many ever go to a jazz concert? How many go to thr theater? These are all components in the cultural landscape, and are something that can’t be bought with money. Any more than a winning sports team van be created with money and nothing else.
One has to participate, one has to be engaged. The anti-Left has been largely absent from the cultural discourse in America for almost a hundred years. So of course we have no answer to Spielberg et al. You can’t fight on the epic level of War and Peace if you’re armed with the Reader’s Digest.


30 posted on 11/26/2012 7:04:06 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Yardstick

Well, one of the reasons that we have no answer to it is because in general the anti-Left is either oblivious to, ignorant of, or hostile and dismissive of culture. Kind of like my attitude toward, say, ice hockey - except that if knowing about and promulgating ice hockey was the way to win the war, I would get a pair of skates, get season tickets and get with the program. How many members of FR read the only non-Leftist cultural publication, The New Criterion? Anybody? How many stay informed by reading TLS - does anyone know what it is? How many are members of a museum? How many go to the ballet or opera even once a year? How many ever go to a jazz concert? How many go to thr theater? These are all components in the cultural landscape, and are something that can’t be bought with money. Any more than a winning sports team van be created with money and nothing else.
One has to participate, one has to be engaged. The anti-Left has been largely absent from the cultural discourse in America for almost a hundred years. So of course we have no answer to Spielberg et al. You can’t fight on the epic level of War and Peace if you’re armed with the Reader’s Digest.


31 posted on 11/26/2012 7:04:22 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: loveliberty2

No it’s much more than just Romney.

The GOP has taken the side of China.

Against American workers.

This is a terrible mistake. Buy American.

Just saying.


32 posted on 11/26/2012 7:07:17 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I'm not here trying to sell a third party. No need to.

The Republicans have shown themselves to be worthless all on their own. They cannot win the equivalent of a 3-inch put against a guy who clearly hates America, her Consitution, the Bill of Rights, private property, and the free enterprise system.

We needed another Reagan, and Rove gives us George H. ‘kinder, gentler’ Bush; we need an answer to Clinton, and we get George ‘slam is a religion of peace’ Bush; nobody knows jack about this community organizer obama, and we get John ‘keating five’ McCain who still loses; obama drives us right into the abyss, and the party bosses ram Romney down our throat as ‘the only one who can win’. You know the end of that story.

Sorry, but we've given the GOP more than enough time to do the right thing. The Republicans are not equipped to do the heavy lifting necessary to lead us to true recovery (culturally and economically). Even now, after all this, their answer is to become more like the Democrats.

33 posted on 11/26/2012 7:29:56 PM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: Rufus2007
I like Mark but disagree. Romeny failed to provide details at a level the people could relate to. On jobs, for example, he promised "a plan to create twelve million jobs!" To paraphrase Stalin, "One job is an accomplishment, twelve million is a statistic." Why did he never say, "I'll approve the Keystone Pipeline on Inauguration day, instantly creating 20,000 highpaying jobs for oilworkers, pipefitters and steelworkers, jobs held hostage by the corrupt Obama regime?"

Guarantee that would have made more impact than "I've got twelve million jobs up my sleeve."

34 posted on 11/26/2012 7:43:38 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Catsrus

Michael Moore was right. If all the people who text in votes to American Idol show up to vote, the Libs can never lose.


35 posted on 11/26/2012 8:00:08 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: hinckley buzzard

“On jobs...”

The real problem at hand is that office of the president has anything at all to do with employment in yours and my town. Not which fool would like to occupy the office.


36 posted on 11/26/2012 8:14:13 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I actually did hear him say that he would approve the Keystone pipeline the day he was inaugurated. He also mentioned the jobs it would bring. Its just that his message was snuffed out by the negatives.


37 posted on 11/26/2012 8:16:30 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: MichaelCorleone

you don’t get it. You don’t get it at all. I’m not defending the GOP at all. I have no argument with the problems you state within the GOP. That’s all true.

Those problems do exist. But those are human mistakes. And you won’t find a third party full of robots. You just don’t have a clue as to what I’m talking about. It’s a people problem, not a party problem.

You just don’t understand.


38 posted on 11/26/2012 8:38:15 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: MichaelCorleone

Don’t forget: we need someone who wants Americans to work.

THIS is the critical point which the GOP has lost sight of, and too many others on our side.

Americans want to work. Give them jobs, not welfare.


39 posted on 11/26/2012 8:44:11 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Rufus2007

I told everybody that would listen that Romney would lose because he allowed Dinglebarry to school yard bully him and he would not fight back. Mitt was the best man for the job but folks want a fighter and the Muslim Prez is a dirty lying Chicago machine politican that shucks and jives his way through life with affirmative action and set asides.


40 posted on 11/27/2012 3:48:23 AM PST by BTCM (Death and destruction is the only treaty Muslims comprehend.)
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To: kabumpo
Thanks.

Your other post re a "War and Peace" vs. a "Reader's Digest" level of understanding provides an apt description of one result of decades of deliberate effort and censorship of the ideas essential to liberty from the nation's textbooks and public square.

Such was not always so.

The following excerpt from a 1987 essay entitled "Will the Great American Experiment Succeed?", from the 292-page Bicentennial volume, "Our Ageless Constitution" includes Tocqueville's observations on the level of understanding which existed at that time among ordinary citizens in the wilderness of America. The entire essay, co-authored by Dr. Russell Kirk and the volume's Editor, may be dowloaded here.

"Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people...said John Adams. And Thomas Jefferson declared: "Whenever the people are well-informed they can be trusted with their own government...The boys of the rising generation are to be the men of the next, and the sole guardians of the principles we deliver over to them."

Early generations of Americans were taught the principles upon which their nation had developed its Con­stitution. The Founders believed that the real security for liberty would be a people who could understand those ideas which are necessary to preserve liberty and who could perceive approaching threats to their freedom. For that reason, a primary purpose of the schools was to teach boys and girls to read and write so that they could study the ideas of freedom. A popular textbook for children was entitled "Catechism on the Constitution." Written by Arthur J. Stansbury and published in 1828, it contained questions and answers on the principles of the American political system.

Tocqueville's Democracy In America , written in the 1830's, described America's aggressive process of univer­sal education on the Constitution and the political process:

"It cannot be doubted that in the United States the instruction of the people powerfully contributes to the support of the democratic republic; and such must always be the case, I believe, where the in ­ struction which enlightens the understanding is not separated from the moral education ...." The American citizen, he said, "..will inform you what his rights are and by what means he exercises them .. In the United States, politics are the end and aim of education ... every citizen receives the elementary notions of human knowledge; he is taught, moreover, the doctrines and the evidences of his religion, the history of his country, and the leading features of its Constitution .... it is extremely rare to find a man imperfectly acquainted with all these things, and a person wholly ignorant of them is a sort of phenomenon .... It is difficult to imagine the incredible rapidity with which thought cir ­ culates in the midst of these deserts [wilderness]. I do not think that so much intellectual activity exists in the most enlightened and populous districts of France."

(End of excerpt from

Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part VII:  ISBN 0-937047-01-5

Those who have bought into the ideas of so-called "progressives" have little understanding of the incompatibility of the ideas essential to liberty and those essential to socialism.

Logical discussions are almost impossible with such uninformed individuals.

Perhaps the final paragraph of Edward Stanley's Robertson's Essay might shed light on the difference between these competing ideas.

The following is excerpted from that Essay, and can be read at the Liberty Fund Library is "A Plea for Liberty: An Argument Against Socialism and Socialistic Legislation," edited by Thomas Mackay (1849 - 1912), Chapter 1, I.46:

"Freedom is the most valuable of all human possessions, next after life itself. It is more valuable, in a manner, than even health. No human agency can secure health; but good laws, justly administered, can and do secure freedom. Freedom, indeed, is almost the only thing that law can secure. Law cannot secure equality, nor can it secure prosperity. In the direction of equality, all that law can do is to secure fair play, which is equality of rights but is not equality of conditions. In the direction of prosperity, all that law can do is to keep the road open. That is the Quintessence of Individualism, and it may fairly challenge comparison with that Quintessence of Socialism we have been discussing. Socialism, disguise it how we may, is the negation of Freedom. That it is so, and that it is also a scheme not capable of producing even material comfort in exchange for the abnegations of Freedom, I think the foregoing considerations amply prove." EDWARD STANLEY ROBERTSON

41 posted on 11/27/2012 9:33:42 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Well, let’s just say that one of us doesn’t ‘get it’ and leave it at that.


42 posted on 11/27/2012 9:47:33 AM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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