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Posted on 11/25/2012 12:19:04 PM PST by moonshinner_09
Many of us hold assumptions about things for which we don’t have all the facts. I hear something from a trusted source, and I assume it is fact.
That seems to be true about our local immigrant community. I decided to check into some beliefs about immigrants that get bantered about, and borrowed an information sheet I received from Centro Latino, a local nonprofit organization whose mission is to respond to critical needs of Latinos and to bridge the cultural gap between Spanish-speaking and non-Spanish-speaking members of our community I addressed issues with more current data I found online.
Undocumented immigrants don’t pay taxes.
“Immigrants pay billions in taxes every year,” according to the American Immigration Council. “Everyone in the United States pays taxes, regardless of legal status. All unauthorized immigrants pay sales taxes. They also pay property taxes — even if they rent.”
Unauthorized immigrant households paid $11.2 billion in state and local taxes, including $1.2 billion — that’s billion — in personal income taxes in 2010, according to the website. Unauthorized Latinos in the state paid close to $318 million in state and local taxes in 2010, according to the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy.
Paying taxes is looked at favorably by the government when determining things like eligibility for legal status, according to Marie Connelly de Palacios, executive director of Centro Latino. Therefore paying taxes, even when wages are paid in cash, is very important to an immigrant.
(Excerpt) Read more at hickoryrecord.com ...
I bet most illegal aliens (not “immigrants”) are on welfare of some type
What a bunch of BS. Illegals do not carry their weight. We pay for the good things they get. It's wrong.
I would, however, love to see something like the Fair Tax. Scrap the whole income tax, and make everyone pay something like 17% sales tax on every retail purchase. If that were in place, then I would nod my head and say, "At least those illegals pay the same taxes that I do."
I would take that bet, and I'll even be generous and let you define most as 51%. You'll be disappointed at the margin you lose by.
The man works on lawns and the lady has an EBT is “on welfare”
The man works on lawns and the lady has an EBT is “on welfare”
The man works on lawns and the lady has an EBT is “on welfare”
“bantered about” would have been more accurate as “bandied about,” FWIW.
Also, this article makes several assumptions; not the smallest of which, is, that these pro-illegal-immigrant NGOs will tell you the unvarnished truth about these things.
So they pay sales and property taxes. Big deal.Net net they receive more in benefits than they pay in taxes. For every dollar in tax they pay they receive $3 in benefits. They are a net loss. If this were a business and you are losing on every unit you sell because the production cost is higher than the sales cost per unit, the solution is not to increase your sales volume. Amnesty is analagous to increasing sales volume on a losing product.
Further, the man is paid in CASH, and pays no FICA, Federal/State/Local income tax, which means he has no reported "Income", and is eligible for EBT's, Medical Care in Emergency rooms for free, the kids are "American Citizens" (only because they were deposited on U.S. Soil), and they collect County and State benefits, additionally.
These spurious claims of "they pay taxes" are bullshit on their face, as the NUMBERS of illegals are greatly under-stated in their arguments (you can't count thsoe who don't appear as even being here), AND, you can bet that 100's of thousands are voting on a regular basis (to keep their handouts coming).
“Beliefs about immigrants may be false”
But most likely they are not.
Would Centro Latino (Mexican Central) be totally honest about these stats. I doubt it.
$11.2 billion in state and local taxes....
Yea maybe nation wide. If they know you can’t keep them out
of the country then why should they feel they are obligated
to pay taxes? This article smells like freshly laid bunk.
I hope GeronL takes that bet too. He’ll be *very* surprised.
bump
Where could you possibly get credible information about this?
Notice how he diminishes and de-nationalizes the Americans by relegating our language - English - to second class status: everything is judged by whether it is hispanic or not (like the current practice of the "American" government classifying the Americans as "non-hispanic white").
Classic propaganda, designed to not just lower the status of the citizenry but to elevate the status of the invading force above the citizens, and de-legitimize the American nationality.
But out here in the West we have seen it all before. The deed is done, and our legislatures are now essentially run by Mexico, with one aim: loot the gringos, and occupy their land. Oh and, rule them....
Treason it was in California and Treason it is in North Carolina, the birthplace of the Revolution.
My ancestor hung the Tory Riddle from the Oak Tree in Wilkes County. That was for robbing and killing Patriots as a Loyalist.
Let the same fate lie ahead for the foreign occupiers and colonizers and the traitors who invite them in and employ them, inflicting disunion on our nation.
How are you being generous? - ‘Most’ means more than 50% and 51% is certainly more than 50%. You are not being generous, you are taking away everything between 50% and 51%. You don’t have the right to take a full percentage point out of the definition, and then claim generosity. If 1 person more than 50% take some type of welfare, then you lose the bet.
FWIW - I think you are wrong. Uninsured motorists, unpaid emergency room visits, foodstamps, tuition waivers or discounts, all of these are types of welfare.
These must be really stupid illegals. In Texas, illegals file for the Earned Income Credit and get back $20,000-$30,000 by claiming numerous children back in Mexico as their dependents, including nephews and nieces. Of course, no one checks to see if these children even exist.
Car dealerships know when these cheats get their IRS payments, because Spanish speaking individuals show up to buy new pickup trucks with $30,000 in cash...sweet.
These squatters know every trick in the book for skating around our laws, particularly since Obama has pulled the teeth of ICE. They now know they have nothing to fear in the Land of the Freeloader.
"ITEP has been described as left-leaning in its policy positions and recommendations. [better source needed] Nonetheless, its quantitative analyses are widely regarded as reliable by observers from across the political spectrum, and by analysts within government. ITEP’s sister organization, Citizens for Tax Justice, is often referred to as a progressive group."
Highly regarded? Like how many agree that
The study’s main finding is that nearly every state and local tax system takes a much greater share of income from middle- and low-income families than from the wealthy. That is, when all state and local income, sales, excise and property taxes are added up, most state tax systems are regressive.
From Introduction and Summary of Findings in their Who Pays? A Distributional Analysis of the Tax Systems in All 50 States 3rd Edition Copyright © 2009 by The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy Washington, D.C.
I agree that taking one document in the ITEP does not reflect all of ITEP.. here is another statement from that report: Virtually every state fails this basic test of tax fairness: as this study documents . . . .
Golly gee, the sales tax I pay adds up pretty quick vs. by income. A guy with $1,000,000,000,000,000,000 that sales tax amount is not even noticed. Duh.
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