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*The REAL Miss America*
Reaganite Republican ^ | 16 November 2012 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 11/16/2012 12:37:32 PM PST by Reaganite Republican


Vanessa Dobos is a gunner on board a USAF AC-130 gunship. 

The blue-eyed blonde has seen action in Iraq and Afganistan, and enjoys long walks on the beach, men who aren't afraid to cry, and puppies.

Vanessa's dislikes include feed-tray stoppages, tracer flareout of her NVGs and premature fixed-wing strikes scattering her 
high-value targets...

The 19 year old former Ohio high school cheerleader is in-fact the Air Force's first female aerial gunner ever:

Raised in the small town of Valley View, Ohio, her interstest in the military was sparked by her father. Described by Dobos as 'a history buff', her dad talked a lot about America's past heroes while they often watched classic war movies...

'He instilled in me so much respect for our country's past heroes' she said.


She 'loves her job', but that doesn't mean it's been easy: besides having to win-over doubters re. her ability to handle the heavy machine gun, Airman 1C Dobos luckily survived a nasty chopper crash in Afghanistan that resulted in 5-7 rolls down a hillside and one airman dead/others severely injured...
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Military.com   Snopes   h/t Kirby



TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: air; banglist; force; militarywomen; usaf; women
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1 posted on 11/16/2012 12:37:40 PM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: AdvisorB; sten; ken5050; paythefiddler

*** PING ***


2 posted on 11/16/2012 12:38:53 PM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

You go Girl!!!


3 posted on 11/16/2012 12:40:05 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Reaganite Republican

She certainly wins the talent competition, but Ms Congenialty may not come easy with what she’s packin.


4 posted on 11/16/2012 12:40:58 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Reaganite Republican

“Be still my beating heart!” Me

“Yeah, I can fix that.” Vanessa


5 posted on 11/16/2012 12:51:52 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Reaganite Republican
More recent photo, from her Facebook page:


Vanessa Dobos Scheutzow

6 posted on 11/16/2012 12:52:09 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Reaganite Republican

The question one has to ask:

Was she chosen over someone who would have been better?


7 posted on 11/16/2012 12:54:11 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Reaganite Republican
Guy:That's a lovely fragrance you're wearing. What is it?
Gal: It's called GSR. Do you really like it ?
8 posted on 11/16/2012 1:01:22 PM PST by llevrok (I haven't left America. It left me.)
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To: SC_Pete

No one really has to ask that.


9 posted on 11/16/2012 1:02:41 PM PST by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Reaganite Republican
I'd like to be a fly on the wall a few years hence, at her 10-year HS class reunion with her fellow former cheerleaders:

Cheerleader #1 - So, what did you go and where did you go after HS?

AC130 GNR - I went to Iraq and Afghanistan so I could kill people, break things, and blow sh*t up.

Cheerleader #2 - Ooooo, wasn't that icky and gross?

AC130 GNR - No, it was cool...my mini-gun could put one round in every square meter of a football field in seconds. Took out an entire column of Taliban that way...nothing left that couldn't be picked up with a spoon! LOL...

(sounds of barfing from #1 and #2)

10 posted on 11/16/2012 1:03:58 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

You might need to change that to Mrs. America. :(


11 posted on 11/16/2012 1:05:22 PM PST by EEGator
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To: SC_Pete

Why, might i ask, should this question even come up?


12 posted on 11/16/2012 1:06:59 PM PST by O6ret
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To: T-Bird45
Cheerleader #1 - So, what did you go and where did you go after HS?

CORRECTION: Cheerleader #1 - So, what did you do and where did you go after HS?

13 posted on 11/16/2012 1:07:05 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: cynwoody

Dang!

She’s married...

So sad, too bad...buh bye...


14 posted on 11/16/2012 1:08:22 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Reaganite Republican
WOW she is HOT!!!

...The lady is cute too.

15 posted on 11/16/2012 1:08:29 PM PST by CygnusXI (Im back!)
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To: SC_Pete

You must be new round ear....

We know what her qualifications are......

I’d hit it, spank, film it and watch it again before going to sleep....


16 posted on 11/16/2012 1:10:24 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SC_Pete

Well, she is an attractive woman, and I respect her for serving. I simply don’t see why she deserves any more kudos than anyone else unless we do it solely to celebrate the notion that women can do everything a man can do, be just as ruthless and violent as men, give birth to a child, and be attractive to boot.

It is the feminist fantasy, the one they push over all others.

I passed by the television where my wife was watching the local evening news, and there was a story about an improbable comeback by a high school team to win on the last play of the game. They had time to run one play to go the length of the field (maybe one second left) and it involved a fake and two laterals to succeed. Pretty improbable play, so I hesitated to watch. Lo and behold, boom, they executed the Rube Goldberg play, and won the game.

Do you know what the remainder of the broadcast segment (lasting far longer) was about?

Their kicker who was a girl.

That was what they gushed about. That she was a girl. She didn’t have to kick the tying or winning point with no time or anything like that, she just had to be the correct gender.

That play to win the game was pretty remarkable, to have been executed to perfection, as complicated as it was. But it was an afterthought.


17 posted on 11/16/2012 1:10:30 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American kLiberals have a lot in common.)
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To: O6ret

Of course, in a world of objective standards of performance, that question would never come up. The reason why police forces switched to 9 millimeter handguns in the 70s was because girls couldn’t handle .38 Specials. LOWERED STANDARDS.

Next, they will want women on Seal teams. When the extreme end of the bell curve eliminates all but a very few kickass males. Feminists want to push girls to the front of the line. Why are there no women basketball centers in the NBA?
It’s obvious to us, but not to the politically correct crowd.


18 posted on 11/16/2012 1:20:17 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: rlmorel

Years ago, some corporate sensitivity trainer tried to convince a group of us that women could be front line special forces.

I told her, “When you can force march 15 miles through ankle deep sand with 70 pounds of gear on your back, get back to me.”


19 posted on 11/16/2012 1:23:42 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Vendome
She’s married...

Yep. In 2005, she was involved in a terrifying (is there any other kind?) helicopter crash in Afghanistan, in which one person was killed. The mission had been to evacuate an Afghan elections monitor who had been accidentally shot. One of the pilots was 1st Lt. Benjamin R. Scheutzow.

20 posted on 11/16/2012 1:25:07 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: SC_Pete

I don’t have anything against this woman in particular, if I were in her shoes, I expect I would do the same as her.

I simply think women in combat is a bad, Bad, BAD idea in general. And I have very specific reasons why I think so apart from the cultural ones.

But the military is now a social experiment, and that is what we are going to do.

It is going to be a damned bloody disaster when we have our first Edson’s Ridge, Peleliu or Chosin Reservoir. But until then, we are going to hear from the media, the government and even (or especially) the military itself how wrong the naysayers were, and that the military forces are so much more efficient and good with homosexuals and women completely integrated and open in their activities.

Until then, our military will be a “Force for Good”, and that will be jolly good until the SHTF.

And the ones who advocated for this the most will be the ones who scream the loudest and point the most fingers.


21 posted on 11/16/2012 1:43:38 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: SC_Pete

WTF?
The switch from revolvers in the 1970s (the 1980s, really) had NOTHING to do with women, and everything to do with the new generation of semi-autos (SW, Sig, Beretta and Glock) which provided officers with more firepower. The .38special really doesn’t have that much over the 9mm so it wasn’t much of a choice or change, and there were so few women officers back then it couldn’t possibly have an impact.

I will agree on the standards. In 16 years of service with The Army, I’ve seen standards changed, waived and even outright IGNORED to accomodate females.


22 posted on 11/16/2012 1:48:03 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SC_Pete

I NEVER had a march where the females didn’t ditch their gear less than an hour in and pick it up from other (male) soldiers at the finish line.


23 posted on 11/16/2012 1:50:15 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: rlmorel

My main point is that this requires LOWERING STANDARDS. Can you imagine affirmative action for heavy weight boxers? Or NBA centers? Or NFL linemen?

Yet in matters of life and death we lowered the standards and eliminated police officers and firemen who would have performed at a much higher level—just so some leftists can pursue a sick fantasy.


24 posted on 11/16/2012 1:55:12 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete

Yeah you’re right. Women are different from men.
“We women have forgotten more about cruelty than you could ever remember,” she spits, and adds that she wants the traitors “alive when you cut out their hearts and their bowels.”
Helen Mirren in the movie `Queen Elizabeth’

My aunt built airplanes in WWII and then flew them. Her mother scratched out a living with her husband on Oklahoma land that even the Indians didn’t want.
My Mother killed rattlesnakes with a garden hoe and worked alongside her two brothers chopping cotton. I wouldn’t have wanted to tangle with two of them and I made the mistake of tangling with one of them, once.

I get the impression from the article that Vanessa knows her job and does it as well as anyone could.
Not every man can be in special forces either so yeah, you’re right there too.


25 posted on 11/16/2012 1:56:23 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

I was there. They couldn’t shoot them.


26 posted on 11/16/2012 2:04:00 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: tumblindice

Yes many women are tough. My wife is a 5th degree black belt.

Women and men are not the same, each have strengths. Mens strengths generally make them better for combat and many military duties.

The mixed gender environment also raises a lot of problems in the military environment.


27 posted on 11/16/2012 2:05:18 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tumblindice

Was she the BEST for the job? Probably not.

My wife is the daughter of a soldier in Patton’s Army: Silver Star, Bronze Star, 3 Purple Hearts. She is a chip off the old block, without a doubt the strongest individual I have ever known. She was a great Army nurse in Vietnam. She was in the right spot.


28 posted on 11/16/2012 2:11:10 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete

I do understand the point you make, and agree. Unfortunately, many people will read our postings and presume we have something against women in the workforce in general.

And nothing could be further from the truth.


29 posted on 11/16/2012 2:14:23 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Beautiful. A backbone of titanium and a jaw line like a Grand Champion Quarter Horse mare. She’s probably sent a lot of ragheads to meet their 72 virgins. It’s time women like this got the recognition they deserve......instead of these sluts like Broadwell and the Kelley sisters.


30 posted on 11/16/2012 2:17:15 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: rlmorel

I am an equal opportunity advocate. I just don’t support UNEQUAL opportunity.


31 posted on 11/16/2012 2:18:58 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: SJSAMPLE

And they women in infantry are injuring their hips, some with permanent disabilities.


32 posted on 11/16/2012 2:21:37 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: O6ret
Why, might i ask, should this question even come up?

Why indeed, what makes her a celebrity? Is she such a super warrior, war hero that her more than 9 year old photograph, is worthy of all this attention.

What is it that she used to do that is special?

33 posted on 11/16/2012 2:25:58 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Reaganite Republican

“Girls just wanna have fun....”


34 posted on 11/16/2012 2:39:18 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Reaganite Republican

dang skippy


35 posted on 11/16/2012 2:43:44 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Nice Pic.... (I love females with guns!!)


36 posted on 11/16/2012 2:46:39 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (More Republicans stayed home then the margin of victory of O's Win...)
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To: Reaganite Republican

37 posted on 11/16/2012 3:50:47 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter")
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To: cynwoody

Something tells me her kiddie will never run into the classic Mother-BB gun block and you’ll shoot yer eye out Ralphie B/S. Hell, probably already has a couple of AR’s, 1911’s and reloads for both of ‘em!


38 posted on 11/16/2012 3:59:33 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired high up in the mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: ExCTCitizen

Ask, and ye shall receive!

39 posted on 11/16/2012 6:27:22 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: SC_Pete

All well and good as far as Seals and NBA players are concerned.

But your post implied that she was selected over others more qualified. How do you know this? From her blue eyes?


40 posted on 11/16/2012 8:38:13 PM PST by O6ret
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To: ansel12

Do her blue eyes disqualify her?
Who cares how old the photo is?
Do only super warriors qualify for this position?
Is there evidence that she’s not qualified?


41 posted on 11/16/2012 8:41:00 PM PST by O6ret
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To: O6ret

Other than her being female, what do you think makes this photo special, so special that it is trotted out periodically to make a point, what point do you think it makes?


42 posted on 11/16/2012 10:55:45 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

You’re the one who seems to think it makes a point. What is it?


43 posted on 11/16/2012 11:43:08 PM PST by O6ret
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To: O6ret

What indeed, what makes her a celebrity? Is she such a super warrior, war hero that her more than 9 year old photograph, is worthy of all this attention.

What is it that she used to do that is special to her, unique to her, that is constantly resurrected, what point is being resurrected?

Other than her being female, what do you think makes this photo special, so special that it is trotted out periodically to make a point, what point do you think it makes?

Aren’t you retired military, you don’t have any input, no knowledge of such things?


44 posted on 11/16/2012 11:55:30 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: O6ret

The BELL CURVE.


45 posted on 11/17/2012 4:20:01 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete

My ten year-old daughter was shooting .38special, .357 magnum and light 10mm loads last weekend. The .38 special doesn’t have much more recoil than the 9mm. I stand by my statement about the adoption of the 9mm, it had everything to do with magazine capacity/firepower.


46 posted on 11/17/2012 6:32:29 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SC_Pete

Exactly.
Women have skills and (I dare say it) INHERENT traits that suit them far better to some jobs. I accept that and known dozens of Army nurses through my career. EVERY ONE of them earned her place there and didn’t need any waivers or lowered standards to do their jobs.

Congratulations on marrying a fine woman.


47 posted on 11/17/2012 6:35:27 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SC_Pete

Which infantry?
None in the US Armed Forces.
Israel tried it and it didn’t work out.
The Russians brag about their WWII females, but none of them served as actual infantry, which requires much more than shooting a rifle.


48 posted on 11/17/2012 6:37:12 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

In training. They interviewed a woman captain who had destroyed her pelvis (angle of the femur)from marching with gear.

The whole issue regarding women on the frontlines is that some feminists think it’s unfair that so many men are generals. It’s an asset to have combat experience, hence the push to put women on the frontlines.


49 posted on 11/17/2012 8:21:54 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete

Agreed.
When I went to Airborne School in 1986, they’d just integrated the runs and everybody was basically crawling along just to keep the women in formation. The women were experiencing high incidents of stress fractures along the tibia (?), so any faster runs were prohibited for EVERYBODY.

I actually came out of the three week school in WORSE shape. It was like a vacation. It didn’t help that I turned 21 the night before my first jump ;)


50 posted on 11/17/2012 3:19:13 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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