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Maybe Minorities' Values Need Changing
Jewish World Review ^ | Nov 13, 2012 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 11/13/2012 4:29:49 AM PST by expat1000

The most widely offered explanation for Mitt Romney's defeat is that the Republican Party is disproportionately composed of — aging — white males. That is, alas, true. But the real question is what Republicans should do with this truth. There are two responses. The nearly universal response — meaning the response offered by the liberal media and liberal academics (and some Republicans) — is that the Republican Party needs to rethink its positions, moving away from conservatism and toward the political center. The other response is for conservatives and the Republican Party to embark on a massive campaign to influence, and ultimately change, the values of those groups that voted Democrat.

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


TOPICS: Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2012; democrats; elections
Similar to what Daniel Greenfield just wrote:

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2958524/posts

1 posted on 11/13/2012 4:29:52 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

Good article.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 4:32:16 AM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: expat1000

They used to have the same American values as anyone else. The whole “black culture” was a creation of the progressives who use it to divide.

I grew up and live in almost exclusively white towns with only 1 or 2 black families and those families have been culturally indistinct. There’s a black kid working on the farm down the road from me. Nobody forced him back to the “crop fields”. He chose to work there with his white farm boy friends.


3 posted on 11/13/2012 4:39:35 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: expat1000

Never gonna happen.

Liberals are stuck on retarded.


4 posted on 11/13/2012 4:40:22 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: cripplecreek

>> The whole “black culture” was a creation of the progressives who use it to divide.

And to get rich off of - both black and white politicians.


5 posted on 11/13/2012 4:42:02 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

“Maybe Minorities’ Values Need Changing”

Maybe???


6 posted on 11/13/2012 4:43:14 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: unixfox
But conservative rules are just s-o-o-o hard!

You want me to...
keep it in my pants,
get a job,
pay my bills!

I don't think so....now give me some money, I gots a party to go to.

7 posted on 11/13/2012 4:45:58 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: unixfox

>>Liberals are stuck on retarded.

I don’t think anyone disputes that. The target should be the voters they manipulate.


8 posted on 11/13/2012 4:47:01 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

It is going to take a bit more than a revamp or re package what might have been termed the smaller government party. How to counter decades of public school indoctrination that socialism “ain’t that bad,” government is supposed to help, and America is just another country (founded by old white guys).

The low information electorate is the block to America claiming again her greatness.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 4:48:09 AM PST by petro45acp ( God save the republic, for surely the majority electorate is not up to the task)
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To: expat1000

Actually, the Republican Party is composed disproportionately of people who believe in the constitution’s limits on the power of government, on limited taxation, and on the princicple that what one earns by one’s own labor, one should keep in order to care for one’s family. They also believe disproportionately in the existence of a Supreme Being who will one day sit in judgment of what one has done with one’s life.

The Democratic Party, meanwhile, is composed primarily of people who believe that what you’ve earned is rightfully mine, and that the endless party of drugs, limitless sex of all varieties, and goofing off should be supported by those who work for a living. They also embrace a virtually endless litany of make believe grudges based primarily on outdated policies and the long ago realities of yesteryear.

Clearly, there are more of the latter characters in the United States than the former.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 4:49:20 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: expat1000

Personally I think the best thing we could do is show all the “takers” of all races that dependency is slavery.

If that means drug testing welfare recipients, so be it. If that means restricting food stamp users to certain foods, so be it. If it means requiring community service, so be it. Make them flee welfare in fear.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 4:51:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: petro45acp

This might interest you:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2958524/posts


12 posted on 11/13/2012 4:52:28 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000
They haven't even conveyed conservative values to many of their children. And when they have, the university has often succeeded in undoing them.

It is hard to compete with Santa Claus. Those values have been conveyed, but as long as the liberals can keep our country in a economic crisis...we'll see more of this kind of stuff from our younger generation. This article gets it wrong as well. It is the neoliberal economy stupid.

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After this dog and pony show finally came to a close last night I had some real time to think about the effects of "he who shall not be named" winning reelection. I am absolutely amazed how many people in 'Merica vote for someone based on their words, not their actions. People one or two generations older than me like to blame my generation, and it's getting old fast. Those people are partially correct, but only partially. But this tanget isn't about those things. It's a rant about me questioning my own allegiances and beliefs in a political manner.

I would have never voted for Obama, and I didn't. The things he voted for as a Senator and now signed into law as President do not align with my beliefs. But even though I say that, I'm getting ready to separate from the Marine Corps after 10 years of honorable service, and I am going to take full advantage of some of his "social programs".

For example, in some states, you can collect unemployment up to 99 weeks. Obama signed off on that. Yes it had to be passed as well but his administration pushed it and got it. While I earn my engineering degree at college starting this January, I will be on unemployment. I don't know for how long but initially I will be. Once I'm off active duty I will no longer rate TriCare for my wife, my son, and my daughter for health benefits. Thanks to the Affordable Healthcare Act, and Obama extending W.I.C. benefits, my family is going to be covered while I go to school. And since both of my children are currently getting services from the state of California.

Some Republicans wanted to get rid of the Earned Income tax credit in recent proposed budget bills. It's free money essentially for people with children. Personally I love getting almost $9k a year back in taxes, and almost half of it comes from this. Obama's people fought to keep this in. I know what some people might be thinking, $9k is a lot of money come tax time, but let me clarify something. I am a Sergeant (E-5) in the United States Marine Corps with 10 years of service and 2 children. So please tell me I get too much help come tax time and I'll show you a pissed off Marine that has fought for and earned it.

This reflection brought me to a real conclusion about how I want to vote, but who I "should" vote for. It's a real tug of war between what you believe, and what you need.

13 posted on 11/13/2012 4:59:01 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: Jack Hammer

“Clearly, there are more of the latter characters in the United States than the former.”

It only appears that way. That’s why they had to cheat in this and every other national election since who knows when.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 5:00:22 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: expat1000

Its a duh, and I’m offended to have to read about leftist racism discussed in such a scholarly way.

They dare attack me for being white while minorities vote 98% for one candidate. And they attack people with the wisdom of age.

Sure, let’s switch to a society of kids and minorities taking drugs, etc. It’s a 60’s nightmare come to fruition.

F the left and its evil racism, tell them straight out.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 5:00:22 AM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: expat1000
The vast majority I have known (not all, mind you) have this one principle value:

What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine.

16 posted on 11/13/2012 5:07:19 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: expat1000

Bookmark.


17 posted on 11/13/2012 5:26:31 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: Jack Hammer

bttt


18 posted on 11/13/2012 5:28:52 AM PST by petercooper
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To: expat1000

“And to get rich off of - both black and white politicians.”

They don’t get rich. They just want to bring everyone else down to their level.


19 posted on 11/13/2012 5:33:01 AM PST by ari-freedom (It's the bennies, stupid.)
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To: EBH

“They haven’t even conveyed conservative values to many of their children. And when they have, the university has often succeeded in undoing them.”

They haven’t? Many conservatives send their kids to public schools and liberal universities and wonder why they turned into atheist leftists.


20 posted on 11/13/2012 5:35:09 AM PST by ari-freedom (It's the bennies, stupid.)
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To: expat1000

That’s “racist.” /sarc


21 posted on 11/13/2012 5:41:49 AM PST by Little Ray (I have VOTED AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: ari-freedom

You do know ...that is a quote from the article. It’s italics.

Second, did you bother to read past the first line? Just below the dotted line is a rant from someone who didn’t go to that liberal university telling me why he will vote democrat in the future....


22 posted on 11/13/2012 5:46:17 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: expat1000

The challenge is to instill a set of values that has no immediate material relevance. Hard work, honesty, self-restraint, humility ... how do those stack up against idleness, scams, self-indulgence, and arrogance? How does the promise of a brighter tomorrow stack up against a paaaaarrrrtyyyyy today?

We know the latter values aren’t sustainable. Any thinking being can understand that. So the solution for the Left is to paint them as “rights:” the “right” to murder your child after you have irresponsible sex; the “right” to free housing; the “right” to cable TV and an obamaphone. In short, the “right” to live off the fruits of someone else’s labors. The White Man deserves to have his wealth confiscated and redistributed. After all, he only attained that wealth through the exploitation of others. And all of a society’s wealth belongs to all of its members, not just the chosen few. Remember, you didn’t build that.

How do we combat that marxist appeal? How do we market bourgeois principles among the (self-)marginalized proletariat?

THAT is our challenge.


23 posted on 11/13/2012 5:50:38 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: expat1000

Thanks, I got my new tag line - and maybe a bumper sticker.


24 posted on 11/13/2012 5:57:05 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: expat1000
"If you want fiscal conservatism, the only path that has any long term chance of success is through the rebuilding of the family. The only way that people will be less dependent on the government is if they have stable social and family structures. Absent fathers mean single families. Single families mean that the government is now everyone's father. There is no way to break this cycle without also breaking democracy."

Republicans have to be courageous enough to tackle this. Even when blacks talk about this (Bill Cosby, Juan Williams), they are shut down and called traitors.

25 posted on 11/13/2012 6:05:56 AM PST by randita
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To: expat1000
What we have here is NOT a failure to communicate...or moving to the center or giving illegals the "pathway"...or any other suggested remedies for "fixing" the R's "problems"...

What we have here simply, are tens of millions of uneducated, unemployable people whose vote counts as much as the most productive among us.

The unions and yes....dear hearts...."greedy" businesses have over the years driven the production of "labor intensive" goods out of the US to places where the work is done "cheaper" and with NO union interference..

..SO...we have finally arrived at the point at which many "thinkers" and philosophers have, over the years, opined we would be:

..When people learn that they can vote themselves LARGESS from the public treasury, then its all over. Our Republic cannot withstand an assault on its wealth by tens of millions of people whose only (and preferred?) means of survival is the federal government.

It is going to be a long and hard road back, if we can ever come back since the aforementioned hordes have "elected" people who are hell bent to help them accomplish their dead-beatness.

The only thing that "could" change things is that manufacturers of consumable goods...flip flops, clothing, throw rugs, bath towels, etc....come back to the US and thus employ the less educated people who can do manual labor..

This, of course, assumes that many of the dead-beats want and are willing to work

26 posted on 11/13/2012 6:31:58 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance.....)
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To: EBH

justify your choices any way you want. I dont agree. leeching govt money just cause it’s there or you think you and your family made a bigger sacrifice then any other person who works, spends much time away from family and daily puts themself in harms way in areas of our country or abroad, does nothing to make me think you make any sense other then you feel entitled which you are no more entitled then the average american. thank you for your service, but how often do you say that to others doing menial jobs that allowed you to do your service?


27 posted on 11/13/2012 6:44:52 AM PST by freeB
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To: ari-freedom

>>They don’t get rich.

Really? The Jesse Jackson family? Pelosi? Obama? Sharpton? Reid? It’s about money and power - them getting both. Bringing down the right is a minor side effect - not motivation.


28 posted on 11/13/2012 6:54:07 AM PST by expat1000
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To: cripplecreek

They used to have the same American values.

Proof that not one American voted for Obama.


29 posted on 11/13/2012 6:59:26 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: expat1000

Absolutely the case.

But where do you start? Particularly with the black community? Things just seem to continually spiral down worse and worse for them, yet they are firmly stuck in the ideological trench.


30 posted on 11/13/2012 7:00:50 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

>>But where do you start?
Maybe here..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2958524/posts


31 posted on 11/13/2012 7:25:37 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000
Our only hope for America is that every conservative takes upon him or herself the project of learning what American and conservative values are, coming to understand what leftism stands for, and learning how to make the case for those values to women, young people, blacks and Hispanics. That is what my radio show, latest book and Prager University are about. And while I am, happily, hardly alone, there are still far too few of us who understand "the vision thing." Surely the Republican establishment has not.
Think where we might be if Karl Rove understood that.
The nearly universal response — meaning the response offered by the liberal media and liberal academics (and some Republicans) — is that the Republican Party needs to rethink its positions, moving away from conservatism and toward the political center.
In my heart of hearts, I do not believe in the very existence of “the political center.” Certainly there are nuances of emphasis which can be politically significant - but in general if you are anywhere near “conservative”
(which belongs in scare quotes because we believe in and promote progress of, by, and for the people just as “progressive” belongs in scare quotes because “progressives” believe in progress of, by, and for the politicians)
then any movement away from conservatism is movement from a defensible position to an indefensible one.

Rush illustrated the point beautifully yesterday by pointing out that no matter what the “center," as it conceives itself, of the Republican Party might do to position the party as “pro-choice,” there would still be people - indeed, millions of people - whom the journalistic left could and would promote as being the heart of the party for whom “pro-choice” is anathema. So that there is no possible political profit in moving from the principled position toward the “liberal” position unless you are willing and able to position the party all the way to the left of the Democrats. And, even as they will condemn your lack of principle, the Democrats will still outflank you to the left.

The only possible result of the attempt to "moderate" conservative principle is internal damage to the Republican Party. The true path from Democrat voter to Republican voter is the path from “liberal” voter to “conservative” voter. It is the Road to Damascus. The scales have to fall from the eyes of the blinded. And as the saying that “a young conservative has no heart, an old liberal has no brain” illustrates, it does happen.


32 posted on 11/13/2012 9:37:57 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Rush illustrated the point beautifully yesterday by pointing out that no matter what the “center," as it conceives itself, of the Republican Party might do to position the party as “pro-choice,” there would still be people - indeed, millions of people - whom the journalistic left could and would promote as being the heart of the party for whom “pro-choice” is anathema. So that there is no possible political profit in moving from the principled position toward the “liberal” position unless you are willing and able to position the party all the way to the left of the Democrats. And, even as they will condemn your lack of principle, the Democrats will still outflank you to the left.

But the other side of that is, as Daniel Greenfield recently said, why flaunt an unpopular position especially when the candidate in question is unlikely to do anything about it?

He used the example of gay marriage which Obama opposed until the polls told him he was okay to go with it. Prior to that the Democratic machine would let that special interest group know they supported it, but not make it one of the issues that everyone assoicates with that party. On the right, we do the opposite. Trumpet pro-life to the masses that the left can then manipulate into an anti-woman stance and for what purpose when there is not a whole bunch that a president can do about it anyway? Not smart.

33 posted on 11/13/2012 5:07:32 PM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000
Trumpet pro-life to the masses that the left can then manipulate into an anti-woman stance and for what purpose when there is not a whole bunch that a president can do about it anyway? Not smart.
What choice is there about “trumpeting” an issue when a Democrat in journalists’ clothing demands an answer on the issue?

There simply is no substitute for knowing your position and defending your position in season and out.

I think we can agree, in retrospect, that Paul Ryan could have - and should have - done a “I paid for this microphone” response to Joe Biden’s heckling. The correct response would have been to answer the first question fully - no matter how many interruptions and changes of subject that Biden and the moderator attempted to impose. Lather. Rinse. Repeat, until the moderator concedes that Ryan is going to make complete, logical answers, and that she cannot prevent that no matter how far in the tank she is willing to appear to be.

34 posted on 11/13/2012 6:36:57 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
What choice is there about “trumpeting” an issue when a Democrat in journalists’ clothing demands an answer on the issue?

Sidestepping tough questions is politics 101. I'm sure you've seen it a million times by politicians of every stripe, including your favorites.

35 posted on 11/13/2012 7:06:42 PM PST by expat1000
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