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A Reasonable Solution to the Immigration Problem
Off Grid Blogger blog ^ | November 9, 2012 | Off Grid Blogger

Posted on 11/10/2012 6:17:05 AM PST by grumpa

Yesterday I posted a concept for immigration reform. The idea was vehemently castigated with language usually found only among liberals. I suspect that those whose objections are the loudest do not live in a southern border state, do not personally interact with undocumented workers, and have no solution to offer themselves. In this post I give other details of the plan. It is not a liberal or a moderate plan, but does deal with reality. Here is the expanded plan.

We have illegal immigrants living among us here in Texas. We like them and greatly appreciate their contribution. We want to provide an assimilation process for qualified people, and must somehow face the realities of the situation. But illegality must be punished appropriately. And, we should make a practical distinction between those who are here only to work, and those who are here to work and to integrate into American society.

Non U.S. citizens could apply for a Work Visa whether they reside in a foreign country or are already in America illegally—no distinction. (Realistically, why should place of residence be an impediment to application?) Aliens residing in the U.S. have no priority over applicants from outside the U.S. However, they can be penalized.

To be receive the Work Visa they must meet certain basic criteria of literacy and a clean record. Those who apply for the Work Visa as illegal aliens residing in the U.S. and are accepted would pay a tax penalty over several years, probably as an income tax penalty. So they do not get off scott free as in an amnesty program. It would be to their benefit to file the application from outside of the U.S. Further, they would be paying into the system rather than merely sucking benefits from the system. All those who have a Work Visa will also have a long term path to citizenship if they work toward that goal.

This is not amnesty and enforcement would be rigorous. Employers who hire people who do not have the Work Visa are fined. Those workers caught here who have not at least filed the application for the Work Visa can be deported and perhaps become subject to penalties in other ways more harshly than now. Those people caught here without having filed an application for the Work Visa are no longer eligible to apply.

Undocumented workers who have filed the paperwork to get into the system would then be documented and trackable to be sure that they are virtuous. To file the application no requirement of literacy is necessary, but to receive the Work Visa they must have a minimum level of English proficiency. If they do not have an adequate education and English skills, they would be required to go to night school at their own expense. (Private institutions might fund this education.) This system therefore moves these people along into our society or discriminates against them if they do not participate in the path to integrate fully.

Other important aspects of the plan:

--Citizenship is no longer automatically conferred upon children born in the U.S. to non-citizen parents.

--Illegal aliens do not qualify for taxpayer funded social services.

--Hospitals are not required to give care to non-citizens.

--A fence along the southern U.S. border should be built.

--Applicants would be accepted only from approved countries that provide us necessary information about the candidates.

Let me give you an example of a man I know. He was brought here by his parents when he was 9 years old. He graduated from high school with good marks. He married an American girl and they have 3 kids. He would like to go into the dental field but because of his undocumented status his tuition would be higher than he can afford. He would like to become a citizen but he is stuck in no-man’s land. This is the kind of person we want here. But the current system has shut him off.

He has a couple of brothers who have not progressed as my friend has. They really do not want to assimilate into American society. Under my plan, they would either have to get on the path that takes them into the system or be deported to Mexico.

My plan may not satisfy everybody. Details would have to be worked out. But it comes to grip with reality. It honors the law. It is faithful to our founding concepts and our natural instincts of compassion.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: immigration
Freepers are free to accuse me of being a moderate. A review of my website will prove otherwise. We can all just stick our head in the sand and wish this problem would go away. It won't. We have to deal with it even though there is no perfect solution.
1 posted on 11/10/2012 6:17:14 AM PST by grumpa
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To: grumpa

did Reagan say the same thing?


2 posted on 11/10/2012 6:20:20 AM PST by dalebert
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To: grumpa

1. Go home.

2. Apply for visa

3. Wait on line like everyone else.

4. After American jobs are filled, we’ll call you if we need you.


3 posted on 11/10/2012 6:23:32 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: grumpa

Then you may as well vote democrat because if the GOP is dumb enough to go with your “reasonable” plan, Mitt Romney will be remembered as one of the last “successful” Republicans and that’s the reality you need to face.


4 posted on 11/10/2012 6:29:39 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: grumpa

Thank you. I appreciate that you’re thinking up conservative-minded solutions to these problems that are a departure from the usual rhetoric.

It occurred to me yesterday that this is the sort of thing the GOP is going to have to begin aggressively pursuing. There are ways to respond flexibly and creatively to common problems people want to see addressed, without forsaking principle.


5 posted on 11/10/2012 6:29:47 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: grumpa

Some sort of amnesty plan is inevitable, and something similar to some parts of this plan are likely to be a part of it.

Coupling it to the birthright citizenship issue is a deal-killer however, as that has to be done by constitutional amendment.


6 posted on 11/10/2012 6:29:59 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (million)
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To: ScottfromNJ

Not very realistic. These illegals are not going back on their own and we are not going to have mass deportations. Work visas are not citizenship. Our immigration system hasn’t functioned for decades.

And telling these illegals “just go home and apply” is also very hypocritical. You can’t ‘allow” illegal immigration ( and amnesty under Reagan ), not secure your border for decades, use the cheap labor and then decades later say “You have to go back now.”
we have to own up to what we did for decades, and move forward.


7 posted on 11/10/2012 6:30:30 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: grumpa

My additions:

Make it illegal to rent or sell housing to an illegal.
Make it illegal to issue driver’s licenses to illegals.
Make it illegal to open bank accounts for illegals.
Confiscate vehicles stopped and driven by an illegal (no license).
Stop ALL ferderal funding to “Sanctuary Cities”.

We would never have to deport another illegal alien again.


8 posted on 11/10/2012 6:32:24 AM PST by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: grumpa
--Citizenship is no longer automatically conferred upon children born in the U.S. to non-citizen parents.

This would require a constitutional amendment, or at least a Supreme Court reinterpretation of the 14th. First is quite impossible, the second is unlikely, IMO.

--Illegal aliens do not qualify for taxpayer funded social services.

Are you classifying those who have applied for work permits as illegal aliens?

--Hospitals are not required to give care to non-citizens.

Not gonna happen.

--A fence along the southern U.S. border should be built.

Necessary but not at all sufficient.

--Applicants would be accepted only from approved countries that provide us necessary information about the candidates.

What does this mean, especially for those already here illegally?

Any relaxation in the system will be permanent, any restrictions will not be enforced.

9 posted on 11/10/2012 6:36:56 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: dalebert

Reagan says that amnesty would fix our immigration problem.


10 posted on 11/10/2012 6:43:57 AM PST by Tea American Party Patriot
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To: Sherman Logan
Any relaxation in the system will be permanent, any restrictions will not be enforced.

And those who claim otherwise know that they are outright lying and it doesn't matter how many times they use the words "reasonable" or "thoughtful"

Just yesterday, illegals protested here in Michigan over the fact that the secretary of state refuses to give them driver's licenses. Voting was one of the reasons they cited for wanting driver's licenses because they felt that they were singled out when they were asked for ID while voting and couldn't provide it.
11 posted on 11/10/2012 6:45:51 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: grumpa

To think that republicans and Americans will somehow benefit by supporting amnesty is utterly absurd. Illegal aliens are from a hardcore Marxist society; very few of them care to assimilate to American culture, and fewer still would vote republican. Grant them amnesty, and this country is finished forever... PERIOD.

The simplest solution would be: 1)increase the fines for hiring illegals by 500%, and include a mandatory minimum sentence of 2yrs in a federal penitentiary; 2) increase the number of ICE agents by 300% and increase the budget for BP/ICE by 300%; 3) start building the wall.

If you want to pay for it, defund Obamacare (including the dozens of new agencies, their collective staff, and the 16,000 new IRS agents hired to enforce it) and let about 20% of federal employees find work elsewhere.

In any compromise between good and evil, it is evil that can be the only beneficiary.


12 posted on 11/10/2012 6:45:51 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: grumpa
I agree, full blown amnesty was tried by Reagan in 1986 and we got several million democrat votes for Clinton and obama. We also have to remember that decent people are waiting in line to be citizens.
13 posted on 11/10/2012 6:46:44 AM PST by Tea American Party Patriot
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To: Tea American Party Patriot

I bet you actually believed you could sign up yesterday under the name “Tea American Party Patriot”, support amnesty in your single post and no one would notice.


14 posted on 11/10/2012 6:48:27 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ScottfromNJ

Might I add:

Proof of citizenship for voting, employments, driver licenses, school registration etc.

No public funded services except transportation home and any emergency medical care to get you there.


15 posted on 11/10/2012 6:51:02 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Tea American Party Patriot

If the GOP supports anything that involves some hint of amnesty, watch as even more of the base feels alienated and refuses to vote on election day.


16 posted on 11/10/2012 6:54:24 AM PST by eekitsagreek
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To: snowrip
To think that republicans and Americans will somehow benefit by supporting amnesty is utterly absurd.

I dated a Serbian woman who saw the result of this. She says it will lead to balkanization, genocide, and war, ending with the loss of a huge chunk of America.

When that happens, the amnesty supporting traitors will be handed over to their friends to be brutalized at their leisure. Only an idiot would believe that those who facilitated the destruction of America would be allowed to live in peace.
17 posted on 11/10/2012 6:56:34 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“These illegals are not going back on their own”

Of course not, if we keep supplying them work and benefits. It’s like feeding Bears, keep food around the neighborhood and they’ll stick around.


18 posted on 11/10/2012 6:56:56 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: grumpa

What you describe is amnesty. To be able to pay a fee to become a US citizen after living here illegally is a big, fat, amnesty—and the end of any hope of conservative, constitutional government.


19 posted on 11/10/2012 7:21:46 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: grumpa

As the Rule of Law evaporates into oblivion in our country, so does our country itself.

Without questioning your good will, that is exactly what so many people do, while thinking they are reasonable and compassionate. The Rule of Law is what has set this country apart from all others. It is that which excludes tyrants and kings from owning our very souls.

We must insist on this or we die as a healthy society.

We need to close the borders as tight as we can and we need
mandatory e-verify and harsh penalties for those who hire people not here legally. Self deporation and standing in line is only fair to those already here or standing in line
We can have exclusions for hard cases only with hearings which can be asked for, but we cannot give up our laws like wimps.


20 posted on 11/10/2012 7:51:41 AM PST by amihow
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The lawless society!!

American Citizens are now free to obey only those criminal laws they like and break those with which they disagree.

US Citizens should not pay taxes, fines, enroll in Obamacare, renew Drivers’ licenses, auto tags, or anything else which confiscates their wages.

Let’s see who grants TAX amnesty!!!!


21 posted on 11/10/2012 7:54:28 AM PST by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: ScottfromNJ

I agree with you there completely.

the original poster had cutting benefits in his proposal...Having said that, we have half of America getting benefits, or at least a third they are not entitled to!

We need a conservative immigration reform Bill and let the Dems in the senate try to obstruct it...then WE get the credit for immigration reform, some of the Hispanics will begin to vote conservative, and their values are much more conservative than Lib.


22 posted on 11/10/2012 8:06:40 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: grumpa
Your plan is fatally flawed, both in logic and in implementation. Let's take a look at it in detail:

We have illegal immigrants living among us here in Texas. We like them and greatly appreciate their contribution.

Like them? They are lawbreakers who have violated multiple laws including entering this country illegally, ID theft, working illegally, driving illegally, using phony or stolen SSNs, income tax evasion, and a host of other crimes. The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons is 55,000 (FY 2010) or 27% of the total federal inmate population. GAO estimates that the criminal aliens had an average of 7 arrests, 65 percent were arrested at least once for an immigration offense, and about 50 percent were arrested at least once for a drug offense. Immigration, drugs, and traffic violations accounted for about 50 percent of arrest offenses.

Nationawide, there were about 296,000 aliens in state and local jails including 25,000 for homicide. In Texas, the number is around 40,000. In FY 2008 there were 10,000 criminal aliens in the Texas state prison system with 900 being held for homicide. The incarceration costs are in the billions of dollars nationwide. Since 9/11 an estimated 50,000 Americans have been killed by criminal aliens.

We want to provide an assimilation process for qualified people, and must somehow face the realities of the situation.

We have a legal immigration system that brings in 1.2 million legal immigrants a year--more than the intake of all the other countries in the world combined. There are currently 4.5 million intending immigrants waiting overseas for their turn to enter, some for many years based on the various categories of immigration. They have completed all the paperwork, background investigations, paid the fees, had physicals, etc. Immigration to America is a privilege, not a right. We decide who comes in using a legal process. We don't allow people to self-select by entering illegally. It is an issue of the Rule of Law, the very foundation of this Republic, and a matter of fairness.

But illegality must be punished appropriately. And, we should make a practical distinction between those who are here only to work, and those who are here to work and to integrate into American society. Here is my plan.

We have immigration laws that cover illegal entry and the punishment required. In sum, it is deportation. There is no distinction among lawbreakers who come here just to work or to integrate into American society.

Non U.S. citizens could apply for a Work Visa whether they reside in a foreign country or are already in America illegally—no distinction. (Realistically, why should place of residence be an impediment to application?) Aliens residing in the U.S. have no priority over applicants from outside the U.S. However, they can be penalized.

We have an extensive system of work visas now. There are approximately 2 million people here at any one time on temporary work visas. They must go through a series of checks and be sponsored by an employer.

The idea that lawbreakers can enter illegally and then apply for work permits is ludicrous. And if they are not given any preference over those who applied legally overseas, what do you do with them while they are waiting in line? Are they allowed to stay here while their temporary work visa is being processed? We have 23 million Americans looking for fulltime employment. Illegal aliens already hold about 8 million jobs. We are bringing in 125,000 legal foreign workers A MONTH now.

To be receive the Work Visa they must meet certain basic criteria of literacy and a clean record. Those who apply for the Work Visa as illegal aliens residing in the U.S. and are accepted would pay a tax penalty over several years, probably as an income tax penalty. So they do not get off scott free as in an amnesty program.

Allowing people to stay and work here is an amnesty. You can't change the meaning of words. And what kind of message does this send to those who are applying for work visas the rigtht way? Or to people contemplating entering the US illegally and then apply for a work visa? When you reward something, you get more of it. We had a one-time amnesty in 1986. The USG estimated that one million would apply but the true number turned out to be 2.7 million. It was a process rife with fraud. It was supposed to solve the illegal alien problem. Now we have 12 to 20 million illegals waiting for a second amnesty.

Would your plan allow for these workers to bring in their families? How do you determine if they have a clean record--just in the US or back in their home country? We have an estimated 2 million criminal aliens in the US. What is their incentive to apply for a work visa?

Further, they would be paying into the system rather than merely sucking benefits from the system. All those who have a Work Visa will also have a long term path to citizenship if they work toward that goal.

Are you suggesting that work permits are now part of the permanent immigration quota? How many legal immigrants a year do you want to bring into this country? What are the long term impacts on US national identity, electoral politics, culture, etc.? These are human beings, not units of labor. By paying into the system, I gather you mean SS and Medicare. Paying in means they will be entitled to benefits along with their families. Will they qualify for Obamacare and Medicaid?

The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 90 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born.

Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in a net immigration of 1.25 million. Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 310 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by an additional 130 million to 440 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration.

This is not amnesty and enforcement would be rigorous.

It is an amnesty. Amnesty, from the same Greek root as "amnesia," forgives past crimes and removes them from the record for future purposes. In the context of immigration, amnesty is commonly defined as granting legal status to a group of individuals unlawfully present in a country. It overlooks the alien's illegal entry and ongoing illegal presence and creates a new legal status that allows the recipient to live and work in the country.

The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986: The textbook example of an amnesty. The 1986 law's path to citizenship was not automatic. The legislation stipulated several requirements to receive amnesty, including payment of application fees, acquisition of English-language skills, understanding of American civics, a medical exam, and registration for military service. Individuals convicted of a felony or three misdemeanors were ineligible. No one disputes that this act provided amnesty.

Employers who hire people who do not have the Work Visa are fined. Those workers caught here who have not at least filed the application for the Work Visa can be deported and perhaps become subject to penalties in other ways more harshly than now. Those people caught here without having filed an application for the Work Visa are no longer eligible to apply.

The 1986 amnesty also required strict enforcement including penalizing employers who hired illegal aliens. We have the E-Verify system that was upheld by SCOTUS. AZ has mandatory E-Verify and it is working. We just need to make E-Verify mandatory nationwide.

Undocumented workers who have filed the paperwork to get into the system would then be documented and trackable to be sure that they are virtuous. To file the application no requirement of literacy is necessary, but to receive the Work Visa they must have a minimum level of English proficiency. If they do not have an adequate education and English skills, they would be required to go to night school at their own expense. (Private institutions might fund this education.) This system therefore moves these people along into our society or discriminates against them if they do not participate in the path to integrate fully.The 1986 amnesty had such a requirement. One can just imagine the administrative nightmare to enforce such a system. More government at a time when we are bankrupt. Would you eliminate the various laws requiring ballots in languages other than English? Right now, 25% of the adult legal immigrants lack even a high school degree. Each year we are importing hundreds of thousands of high school dropoouts who will be a net drain on our system to the tune of about $20,000 a year. 57% of immigrant headed households with children are on at least one major welfare program.

• Citizenship is no longer automatically conferred upon children born in the U.S. to non-citizen parents.

I agree, but ending birthright citizenship will be a long legal slog that will probably require a Constitutional amendment after all is said and done. First, Congress would have to pass a law changing it--no small hurdle given the fate of many bills that have tried to do it.

• Illegal aliens do not qualify for taxpayer funded social services.

At the federal level they don't now, but their Amcit children do. Many states, e.g., CA do provide such benefits.

• Hospitals are not required to give care to non-citizens.

SCOTUS says they are for emergency treatment. In a practical sense, how can an ER turn away someone who needs treatment, especially if it is life-threatening? Far better we have fewer illegal here, the source of the problem. The same holds true for schools that must accept the foreign born children of illegal aliens (Plyler vs Doe)

• A fence along the southern U.S. border should be built

Agree we need to secure our border, but that only solves part of the problem with illegal aliens. 40% of the illegal alien population came here legally and overstayed their visas. We need implement a system to track them and deport them when their visas expire. We have about 50 million visitors a year. There are over 900,000 foreign students in our universities.

• Applicants would be accepted only from approved countries that provide us necessary information about the candidates.

Would that include China? And we also take in hundreds of thousands of refugees and asylum seekers.

Let me give you an example of a man I know. He was brought here by his parents when he was 9 years old. He graduated from high school with good marks. He married an American girl and they have 3 kids. He would like to go into the dental field but because of his undocumented status his tuition would be higher than he can afford. He would like to become a citizen but he is stuck in no-man’s land. This is the kind of person we want here. But the current system has shut him off.

First, we have ways to deal with individual cases. What Obama is doing with his backdoor amnesty Dream Act is a blanket amnesty for anyone brought here while a "child" up to the age of 30. 1.8 million will receive legal status and work permits.

What about someone living out of state? Should he be granted in-state tuition? Or the native born citizen who is living in the state and can't get into the university or college because an illegal alien in occupying it? There are other schools that the person you mentioned could to that are out of state. Or he could work illegally as many of them do until he has enough money to go to school. I thought that Texas had in-state tutition for illegal aliens, at least according to Rick Perry.

My plan may not satisfy everybody. Details would have to be worked out. But it comes to grip with reality. It honors the law. It is faithful to our founding concepts and our natural instincts of compassion.

LOL. No, it violates our laws and is a slap in the face of the people who came here legally. It just invites more illegal immigration. And there is a real question of exactly how many immigrants, legal and illegal, that this country can absorb. Immigrants are depressing American wages and becoming a bigger and bigger drag on our social welfare system.

The number of legal immigrants we bring in has no correlation with our jobs and skill needs. In the decade ending in 2010, 13.9 million immigrants entered the US, the highest number in our history. During that same period we had a net loss of jobs.

Here are factoids on the real impact of immigration, not the romanticized version that is perpetuated by our schools and the MSM;

Poverty

• In 2010, 23 percent of immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) lived in poverty, compared to 13.5 percent of natives and their children. Immigrants and their children accounted for one-fourth of all persons in poverty.

• The children of immigrants account for one-third of all children in poverty.

• Among the top sending countries, poverty is highest for immigrants and their young children from Mexico (35 percent), Honduras (34 percent), and Guatemala (31 percent); and lowest for those from Germany (7 percent), India (6 percent), and the Philippines (6 percent).

Health Insurance Coverage

• In 2010, 29 percent of immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) lacked health insurance, compared to 13.8 percent of natives and their children.

• New immigrants and their U.S.-born children account for two-thirds of the increase in the uninsured since 2000.

Public Schools

• There are 10.4 million students from immigrant households in public schools, accounting for one in five public school students. Of these students, 78 percent speak a language other than English at home.

• Overall, one in four public school students now speaks a language other than English at home.

Housing Overcrowding

• In 2010, 13 percent of immigrant households were overcrowded, compared to 2 percent of native households.

• Immigrant households account for half of all overcrowded households.

Educational Attainment

• Of adult immigrants (25 to 65), 28 percent have not completed high school, compared to 7 percent of natives.

• The share of immigrants (25 to 65) with at least a bachelor’s degree is somewhat lower than that of natives — 29 vs. 33 percent.

• The large share of immigrants with relatively little education is one of the primary reasons for their lower socioeconomic status, not their legal status or an unwillingness to work.

• At the same time immigration added significantly to the number of less-educated workers, the share of young, less-educated natives holding a job declined significantly. The decline began well before the current economic downturn.

Progress Over Time

• Many immigrants make significant progress the longer they live in the country. However, on average even immigrants who have lived in the United States for 20 years have not come close to closing the gap with natives.

• The poverty rate of adult immigrants who have lived in the United States for 20 years is 50 percent higher than that of adult natives.

• The share of adult immigrants who have lived in the United States for 20 years who lack health insurance is twice that of adult natives.

• The share of households headed by an immigrant who has lived in the United States for 20 years using one or more welfare programs is nearly twice that of native-headed households.

• The share of households headed by an immigrant who has lived in the United States for 20 years that are owner occupied is 22 percent lower than that of native households.

I have a real plan if you are interested. Your amnesty plan would be a diaster for this country.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

23 posted on 11/10/2012 8:30:47 AM PST by kabar
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Not very realistic. These illegals are not going back on their own and we are not going to have mass deportations.

The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does.

24 posted on 11/10/2012 8:34:10 AM PST by kabar
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To: grumpa
The reasonable solution is mandatory enforcement of our immigration laws. The last amnesty forgave 3 million illegals, but got us 20 million more. That wasn't supposed to happen according to the 1986 law. There was supposed to be more enforcement.

The major roadblock to a compromise is the well deserved lack of trust in the government to do its job. Look at the way immigration law enforcement officers who take their job seriously have been treated the past few years.

25 posted on 11/10/2012 8:41:08 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: grumpa

I can live with it as stated, with one small change. A wall, not a fence. Fences are too easy to breach and require too much additional security.


26 posted on 11/10/2012 8:46:23 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Adopting an Immigration Law like Mexico’s would solve a lot of our problems.

Immigration Reform? Let’s Try Mexico’s Immigration Law!
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/lillpop022707.htm

Perhaps we should send copies of this to our members in Congress. It would give them something to chew on and let them know that we don’t want Obama-Boehner, the Manchurian’s, blanket immigration/amnesty.

I’ll be sending it via snail mail and ask that he responds with his thoughts and verifying that he’s read it. Time to take the gloves off.


27 posted on 11/10/2012 9:03:05 AM PST by IM2MAD (IM2MAD=Individual Motivated 2 Make A Difference)
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To: cripplecreek
NO I WILL NEVER SUPPORT AMNESTY, Michael savage was talking last night about amnesty, I'm saying reagan tried it and it hurt america, amnesty is like allowing a murderer go free!
28 posted on 11/10/2012 9:04:43 AM PST by Tea American Party Patriot
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To: cripplecreek
Next time you attack someone, figure out what they actually believe. My post came out wrong, I was saying reagan tried amnesty and it failed.
29 posted on 11/10/2012 9:09:57 AM PST by Tea American Party Patriot
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To: grumpa

I think the FIRST order of business is to confer full citizenship on all of those people who have paid for and completed the legal steps for entering this country. Loosen the requirements on them and give them some applause for respecting the country enough to come here the LEGAL way. Then, and ONLY then do we address the matter of those who simply broke into our house and disrespected us. This would highlight the issue of legal vs. illegal and show people that there is at least SOME advantage to following the law.


30 posted on 11/10/2012 9:41:24 AM PST by Anima Mundi (You can lead a brain to facts but you can't make it think.)
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To: kabar

Kudos for all the work that you put into your post. I, for one, would be interested in your plan. Short of invading Mexico and making it the 51st state, I see no good solution to this pressing problem.


31 posted on 11/10/2012 10:03:02 AM PST by Donkey Odious ( Adapt, improvise, and overcome - now a motto for us all.)
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To: Donkey Odious
Advocate a pro-immigrant policy of low immigration.

Republicans need to provide the American people with their own comprehensive immigration reform plan, i.e., give people a reason to vote FOR something rather than just attack the other side’s proposals. Such a plan should contain the following elements:

 Formulate a merit based immigration system that brings in the skills and talents to keep us competitive in the global economy;

 Reduce immigration levels based on need more closely approximating 300,000 a year;

 Eliminate extended chain migration, i.e., family reunification, limiting it to the nuclear family,

 Secure the border;

 Enforce existing immigration laws to reduce the current illegal alien population and limit future illegal immigration, i.e., attrition thru enforcement. Enforcement would include: (1) ending the job magnet; (2) increasing coordination at the federal level by eliminating barriers to information sharing among agencies; (3) leveraging state and local enforcement resources; (4) fully implementing the US-VISIT Program to track and deport visa overstays; and (5) make mandatory and improve such programs as E-Verify and 287 [g] authority to assist employers and law enforcement in identifying illegal aliens;

 Eliminate birthright citizenship and the visa lottery program;

 Ensure that anyone who enters this nation illegally is not rewarded by being permitted to stay and work here; i.e., no amnesty;

 Streamline the processing and adjudication of immigration cases;

 Promote pro-immigrant measures that help newcomers assimilate and embrace the values and principles of our Founders and the Constitution.

32 posted on 11/10/2012 10:15:45 AM PST by kabar
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To: Anima Mundi
I think the FIRST order of business is to confer full citizenship on all of those people who have paid for and completed the legal steps for entering this country

How many legal immigrants do you want to admit per year? We already bring in 1.2 million. 4.5 million are in line overseas and many more will continue to add to the line? Clearing out the 4.5 million will just mean that more will fill the vacancies behind them.

We are already bringing in too many legal immigrants now. The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history, even though there was a net loss of jobs during the decade. Growth in the immigrant population has primarily been driven by high levels of legal immigration. Roughly three-fourths of immigrants in the country are here legally. With nearly 12 million immigrants, Mexico was by far the top immigrant-sending country, accounting for 29 percent of all immigrants and 29 percent of growth in the immigrant population from 2000 to 2010. The median age of immigrants in 2010 was 41.4 compared to 35.9 for natives.

33 posted on 11/10/2012 10:21:50 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Good ideas all. And, while I am in agreement with you, none of them stand a snowball’s chance in hell of coming to pass. I am afraid that we have passed the tipping point where the producers are outnumbered by the takers. Short of a Black Swan event it will remain so.


34 posted on 11/10/2012 10:52:31 AM PST by Donkey Odious ( Adapt, improvise, and overcome - now a motto for us all.)
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To: Donkey Odious

The status quo will kill this country. An amnesty will just hasten the process. Demography is destiny. The Republic, that great experiment, is on the way to the dustbin of history.


35 posted on 11/10/2012 10:55:40 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

GOOD POINTS.


36 posted on 11/10/2012 11:09:49 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: kabar

Well, I am not an expert on all these numbers, in fact that is an understatement. However, I would not mind 4 million people coming in who had experienced the evils of living under Communism and could teach and tell Americans how good we have it relative to other places. And, we could admit and then close immigration until assimilation. All maybe just crazy talk, but I firmly believe that people waiting legally need to be dealt with first and given SOME sort of credit for following our rules. I am saying that a focus on those people would dilute this pity party for the “illegals.” Like most people, I really resent people who seem to think they are so special that they can move themselves to the front of the line.Or, we could just throw our hands in the air because nobody seems to be coming any closer to agreeing on anything workable and this means basically open borders continue.


37 posted on 11/10/2012 11:17:55 AM PST by Anima Mundi (You can lead a brain to facts but you can't make it think.)
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